[PATCH v2] perf: Allow restricted kernel breakpoints on user addresses

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Marco Elver

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Allow the creation of restricted breakpoint perf events that also fire
in the kernel (perf_event_attr::exclude_kernel=0), if:

1. No sample information is requested; samples may contain IPs,
registers, or other information that may disclose kernel addresses.

2. The breakpoint (viz. data watchpoint) is on a user address.

The rules constrain the allowable perf events such that no sensitive
kernel information can be disclosed.

Despite no explicit kernel information disclosure, the following
questions may need answers:

1. Q: Is obtaining information that the kernel accessed a particular
user's known memory location revealing new information?

A: Given the kernel's user space ABI, there should be no "surprise
accesses" to user space memory in the first place.

2. Q: Does causing breakpoints on user memory accesses by the kernel
potentially impact timing in a sensitive way?

A: Since hardware breakpoints trigger regardless of the state of
perf_event_attr::exclude_kernel, but are filtered in the perf
subsystem, this possibility already exists independent of the
proposed change.

Motivation: Data breakpoints on user addresses that also fire in the
kernel provide complete coverage to track and debug accesses, not just
in user space but also through the kernel. For example, tracking where
user space invokes syscalls with pointers to specific memory.

Breakpoints can be used for more complex dynamic analysis, such as race
detection, memory-safety error detection, or data-flow analysis. Larger
deployment by linking such dynamic analysis into binaries in production
only becomes possible when no additional capabilities are required by
unprivileged users. To improve coverage, it should then also be possible
to enable breakpoints on user addresses that fire in the kernel with no
additional capabilities.

Acked-by: Dmitry Vyukov <dvy...@google.com>
Signed-off-by: Marco Elver <el...@google.com>
---

Changelog
~~~~~~~~~

v2:
* Commit message (motivation, more explanation).
* Apply ack.

v1: https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20220902100057...@google.com
* Rebase.

RFC: https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20220601093502...@google.com
---
include/linux/perf_event.h | 8 +-------
kernel/events/core.c | 38 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2 files changed, 39 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)

diff --git a/include/linux/perf_event.h b/include/linux/perf_event.h
index c6a3bac76966..a95a6b889b00 100644
--- a/include/linux/perf_event.h
+++ b/include/linux/perf_event.h
@@ -1463,13 +1463,7 @@ static inline int perf_is_paranoid(void)
return sysctl_perf_event_paranoid > -1;
}

-static inline int perf_allow_kernel(struct perf_event_attr *attr)
-{
- if (sysctl_perf_event_paranoid > 1 && !perfmon_capable())
- return -EACCES;
-
- return security_perf_event_open(attr, PERF_SECURITY_KERNEL);
-}
+extern int perf_allow_kernel(struct perf_event_attr *attr);

static inline int perf_allow_cpu(struct perf_event_attr *attr)
{
diff --git a/kernel/events/core.c b/kernel/events/core.c
index d56328e5080e..0f1fc9aef294 100644
--- a/kernel/events/core.c
+++ b/kernel/events/core.c
@@ -3174,6 +3174,12 @@ static int perf_event_modify_attr(struct perf_event *event,
return -EOPNOTSUPP;
}

+ if (!event->attr.exclude_kernel) {
+ err = perf_allow_kernel(attr);
+ if (err)
+ return err;
+ }
+
WARN_ON_ONCE(event->ctx->parent_ctx);

mutex_lock(&event->child_mutex);
@@ -12289,6 +12295,38 @@ perf_check_permission(struct perf_event_attr *attr, struct task_struct *task)
return is_capable || ptrace_may_access(task, ptrace_mode);
}

+/*
+ * Check if unprivileged users are allowed to set up breakpoints on user
+ * addresses that also count when the kernel accesses them.
+ */
+static bool perf_allow_kernel_breakpoint(struct perf_event_attr *attr)
+{
+ if (attr->type != PERF_TYPE_BREAKPOINT)
+ return false;
+
+ /*
+ * The sample may contain IPs, registers, or other information that may
+ * disclose kernel addresses or timing information. Disallow any kind of
+ * additional sample information.
+ */
+ if (attr->sample_type)
+ return false;
+
+ /*
+ * Only allow kernel breakpoints on user addresses.
+ */
+ return access_ok((void __user *)(unsigned long)attr->bp_addr, attr->bp_len);
+}
+
+int perf_allow_kernel(struct perf_event_attr *attr)
+{
+ if (sysctl_perf_event_paranoid > 1 && !perfmon_capable() &&
+ !perf_allow_kernel_breakpoint(attr))
+ return -EACCES;
+
+ return security_perf_event_open(attr, PERF_SECURITY_KERNEL);
+}
+
/**
* sys_perf_event_open - open a performance event, associate it to a task/cpu
*
--
2.39.1.456.gfc5497dd1b-goog

Mark Rutland

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Jan 27, 2023, 1:14:48 PM1/27/23
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Hi Marco,

Apologies for having not replies on v1...

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 05:24:09PM +0100, Marco Elver wrote:
> Allow the creation of restricted breakpoint perf events that also fire
> in the kernel (perf_event_attr::exclude_kernel=0), if:
>
> 1. No sample information is requested; samples may contain IPs,
> registers, or other information that may disclose kernel addresses.
>
> 2. The breakpoint (viz. data watchpoint) is on a user address.

I think there's a potential problem here w.r.t. what constitutes a "user
address". Below, the patch assumes that any address which access_ok() is happy
with is a user address, but that's not always the case, and it's not
necessarily always safe to allow watchpoints on such addresses.

For example, UEFI runtime services may live in low adddresses below
TASK_SIZE_MAX, and there are times when we run code in an idmap (or other
low-half mapping) when we cannot safely take an exception for things like idle,
suspend, kexec, pagetable rewriting on arm64, etc.

So I think this may introduce functional issues (e.g. a mechanism to crash the
kernel) in addition to any potential information disclosure, and I would not
want this to be generally available to unprivileged users.

Most of those happen in kernel threads, but they can also happen in the context
of user threads (e.g. if triggering suspend/idle via sysfs), so special care
will be needed, as above.

> The rules constrain the allowable perf events such that no sensitive
> kernel information can be disclosed.
>
> Despite no explicit kernel information disclosure, the following
> questions may need answers:
>
> 1. Q: Is obtaining information that the kernel accessed a particular
> user's known memory location revealing new information?
>
> A: Given the kernel's user space ABI, there should be no "surprise
> accesses" to user space memory in the first place.

I think that may be true for userspace, but not true for other transient
mappings in the low half of the address space. Ignoring the functional concern
above, for idmap'd code this would at least provide a mechanism to probe for
the phyiscal address of that code (and by extension, reveal the phyiscal
location of the entire kernel).

> 2. Q: Does causing breakpoints on user memory accesses by the kernel
> potentially impact timing in a sensitive way?
>
> A: Since hardware breakpoints trigger regardless of the state of
> perf_event_attr::exclude_kernel, but are filtered in the perf
> subsystem, this possibility already exists independent of the
> proposed change.

Hmm... arm64's HW breakpoints and watchpoints have HW privilege filters, so I'm
not sure the above statement is generally/necessarily true.

> Motivation: Data breakpoints on user addresses that also fire in the
> kernel provide complete coverage to track and debug accesses, not just
> in user space but also through the kernel. For example, tracking where
> user space invokes syscalls with pointers to specific memory.
>
> Breakpoints can be used for more complex dynamic analysis, such as race
> detection, memory-safety error detection, or data-flow analysis. Larger
> deployment by linking such dynamic analysis into binaries in production
> only becomes possible when no additional capabilities are required by
> unprivileged users. To improve coverage, it should then also be possible
> to enable breakpoints on user addresses that fire in the kernel with no
> additional capabilities.

I can understand the argument for watchpoints (modulo my concerns above), but
there's no need to support instruction breakpoints, right? i.e. there's no
legitimate reason for a user to want to monitor a given user address
system-wide, regardless of what's running?

IIUC this only makes sense for watchpoints, and only in the context of a given
task.

Thanks,
Mark.

Marco Elver

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Jan 30, 2023, 2:00:07 AM1/30/23
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 19:14, Mark Rutland <mark.r...@arm.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Marco,
>
> Apologies for having not replies on v1...
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 05:24:09PM +0100, Marco Elver wrote:
> > Allow the creation of restricted breakpoint perf events that also fire
> > in the kernel (perf_event_attr::exclude_kernel=0), if:
> >
> > 1. No sample information is requested; samples may contain IPs,
> > registers, or other information that may disclose kernel addresses.
> >
> > 2. The breakpoint (viz. data watchpoint) is on a user address.
>
> I think there's a potential problem here w.r.t. what constitutes a "user
> address". Below, the patch assumes that any address which access_ok() is happy
> with is a user address, but that's not always the case, and it's not
> necessarily always safe to allow watchpoints on such addresses.

Isn't that a deficiency with access_ok()?

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/core-api/mm-api.html#c.access_ok
"Checks if a pointer to a block of memory in user space is valid. [...]"

> For example, UEFI runtime services may live in low adddresses below
> TASK_SIZE_MAX, and there are times when we run code in an idmap (or other
> low-half mapping) when we cannot safely take an exception for things like idle,
> suspend, kexec, pagetable rewriting on arm64, etc.
>
> So I think this may introduce functional issues (e.g. a mechanism to crash the
> kernel) in addition to any potential information disclosure, and I would not
> want this to be generally available to unprivileged users.
>
> Most of those happen in kernel threads, but they can also happen in the context
> of user threads (e.g. if triggering suspend/idle via sysfs), so special care
> will be needed, as above.

These are good points.

> > The rules constrain the allowable perf events such that no sensitive
> > kernel information can be disclosed.
> >
> > Despite no explicit kernel information disclosure, the following
> > questions may need answers:
> >
> > 1. Q: Is obtaining information that the kernel accessed a particular
> > user's known memory location revealing new information?
> >
> > A: Given the kernel's user space ABI, there should be no "surprise
> > accesses" to user space memory in the first place.
>
> I think that may be true for userspace, but not true for other transient
> mappings in the low half of the address space. Ignoring the functional concern
> above, for idmap'd code this would at least provide a mechanism to probe for
> the phyiscal address of that code (and by extension, reveal the phyiscal
> location of the entire kernel).

This again feels like a deficiency with access_ok(). Is there a better
primitive than access_ok(), or can we have something that gives us the
guarantee that whatever it says is "ok" is a userspace address?

> > 2. Q: Does causing breakpoints on user memory accesses by the kernel
> > potentially impact timing in a sensitive way?
> >
> > A: Since hardware breakpoints trigger regardless of the state of
> > perf_event_attr::exclude_kernel, but are filtered in the perf
> > subsystem, this possibility already exists independent of the
> > proposed change.
>
> Hmm... arm64's HW breakpoints and watchpoints have HW privilege filters, so I'm
> not sure the above statement is generally/necessarily true.

Right, I can see this being a valid concern on those architectures
that do support HW privilege filters.

> > Motivation: Data breakpoints on user addresses that also fire in the
> > kernel provide complete coverage to track and debug accesses, not just
> > in user space but also through the kernel. For example, tracking where
> > user space invokes syscalls with pointers to specific memory.
> >
> > Breakpoints can be used for more complex dynamic analysis, such as race
> > detection, memory-safety error detection, or data-flow analysis. Larger
> > deployment by linking such dynamic analysis into binaries in production
> > only becomes possible when no additional capabilities are required by
> > unprivileged users. To improve coverage, it should then also be possible
> > to enable breakpoints on user addresses that fire in the kernel with no
> > additional capabilities.
>
> I can understand the argument for watchpoints (modulo my concerns above), but
> there's no need to support instruction breakpoints, right? i.e. there's no
> legitimate reason for a user to want to monitor a given user address
> system-wide, regardless of what's running?
>
> IIUC this only makes sense for watchpoints, and only in the context of a given
> task.

Right, there shouldn't be a need for instruction breakpoints, the
kernel shouldn't be executing user code.

Thanks,
-- Marco

Mark Rutland

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On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 08:00:00AM +0100, Marco Elver wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 at 19:14, Mark Rutland <mark.r...@arm.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Marco,
> >
> > Apologies for having not replies on v1...
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 05:24:09PM +0100, Marco Elver wrote:
> > > Allow the creation of restricted breakpoint perf events that also fire
> > > in the kernel (perf_event_attr::exclude_kernel=0), if:
> > >
> > > 1. No sample information is requested; samples may contain IPs,
> > > registers, or other information that may disclose kernel addresses.
> > >
> > > 2. The breakpoint (viz. data watchpoint) is on a user address.
> >
> > I think there's a potential problem here w.r.t. what constitutes a "user
> > address". Below, the patch assumes that any address which access_ok() is happy
> > with is a user address, but that's not always the case, and it's not
> > necessarily always safe to allow watchpoints on such addresses.
>
> Isn't that a deficiency with access_ok()?
>
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/core-api/mm-api.html#c.access_ok
> "Checks if a pointer to a block of memory in user space is valid. [...]"

Arguably yes, but it's not really solvable in the current API design.

One issue is that this is contextual, and access_ok() is implicitly limited to
some scenarios but not others. It's not meant to work for arbitrarty pointers
in arbitrary contexts (as e.g. it has no way of distinguishing an idmap from
userspace).

We largely don't take implicit context into account in access_ok(), other than
the tag removal stuff we do on arm64 (and on x86 for LAM), and I don't think
anyone was all that happy about extending it for that.
I don't think so, since this is contextual and temporal -- a helper can't give
a single correct answert in all cases because it could change.

In the cases we switch to another mapping, we could try to ensure that we
enable/disable potentially unsafe watchpoints/breakpoints.

Taking a look at arm64, our idmap code might actually be ok, since we usually
mask all the DAIF bits (and the 'D' or 'Debug' bit masks HW
breakpoints/watchpoints). For EFI we largely switch to another thread (but not
always), so that would need some auditing.

So if this only needs to work in per-task mode rather than system-wide mode, I
reckon we can have some save/restore logic around those special cases where we
transiently install a mapping, which would protect us.

For the threads that run with special mappings in the low half, I'm not sure
what to do. If we've ruled out system-wide monitoring I believe those would be
protected from unprivileged users.

Thanks,
Mark.

Marco Elver

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On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 at 11:46, Mark Rutland <mark.r...@arm.com> wrote:
[...]
> > This again feels like a deficiency with access_ok(). Is there a better
> > primitive than access_ok(), or can we have something that gives us the
> > guarantee that whatever it says is "ok" is a userspace address?
>
> I don't think so, since this is contextual and temporal -- a helper can't give
> a single correct answert in all cases because it could change.

That's fair, but unfortunate. Just curious: would
copy_from_user_nofault() reliably fail if it tries to access one of
those mappings but where access_ok() said "ok"?

Though that would probably restrict us to only creating watchpoints
for addresses that are actually mapped in the task.

> In the cases we switch to another mapping, we could try to ensure that we
> enable/disable potentially unsafe watchpoints/breakpoints.

That seems it'd be too hard to reason that it's 100% safe, everywhere,
on every arch. I'm still convinced we can prohibit creation of such
watchpoints in the first place, but need something other than
access_ok().

> Taking a look at arm64, our idmap code might actually be ok, since we usually
> mask all the DAIF bits (and the 'D' or 'Debug' bit masks HW
> breakpoints/watchpoints). For EFI we largely switch to another thread (but not
> always), so that would need some auditing.
>
> So if this only needs to work in per-task mode rather than system-wide mode, I
> reckon we can have some save/restore logic around those special cases where we
> transiently install a mapping, which would protect us.

It should only work in per-task mode.

> For the threads that run with special mappings in the low half, I'm not sure
> what to do. If we've ruled out system-wide monitoring I believe those would be
> protected from unprivileged users.

Can the task actually access those special mappings, or is it only
accessible by the kernel?

Thanks,
-- Marco

Dmitry Vyukov

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On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 at 10:34, Marco Elver <el...@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 at 11:46, Mark Rutland <mark.r...@arm.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > > This again feels like a deficiency with access_ok(). Is there a better
> > > primitive than access_ok(), or can we have something that gives us the
> > > guarantee that whatever it says is "ok" is a userspace address?
> >
> > I don't think so, since this is contextual and temporal -- a helper can't give
> > a single correct answert in all cases because it could change.
>
> That's fair, but unfortunate. Just curious: would
> copy_from_user_nofault() reliably fail if it tries to access one of
> those mappings but where access_ok() said "ok"?

I also wonder if these special mappings are ever accessible in a user
task context?
If yes, can a racing process_vm_readv/writev mess with these special mappings?

We could use copy_from_user() to probe that the watchpoint address is
legit. But I think the memory can be potentially PROT_NONE but still
legit, so copy_from_user() won't work for these corner cases.

Mark Rutland

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On Wed, Feb 01, 2023 at 10:33:40AM +0100, Marco Elver wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 at 11:46, Mark Rutland <mark.r...@arm.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > > This again feels like a deficiency with access_ok(). Is there a better
> > > primitive than access_ok(), or can we have something that gives us the
> > > guarantee that whatever it says is "ok" is a userspace address?
> >
> > I don't think so, since this is contextual and temporal -- a helper can't give
> > a single correct answert in all cases because it could change.

One thing I just realised to note -- these mappings are installed in a distinct
set of page tables that the kernel transiently switches to within the context
of a task, they're not inside the same page tables as userspace associated with
that task. So you can have distinct mappings at the same VA at different times.

> That's fair, but unfortunate.

Yup. :)

> Just curious: would copy_from_user_nofault() reliably fail if it tries to
> access one of those mappings but where access_ok() said "ok"?

Generally, no. Most architectures don't have special instructions for accessing
user memory specifically and are reliant on people not making uaccesses while
such mappings are installed. That's generally enforced by mutual exclusion;
userspace can't issue any new syscalls within the context of that task since it
isn't executing while the special mappings are installed, and usually IRQs
would be disabled, preventing IPIs and such. There *might* be a latent issue
with interruptible EFI runtime services.

On arm64, yes. Our uacccess routines including copy_from_user_nofault() use out
`LDTR` and `STTR` instructions, which use the same permissions as accesses from
userspace, and we create the special mappings without user access permissions,
so any uaccess to those will fault. There are some special cases (e.g. the
futex code), but those are never invoked in a context where the special
mappings are in place.

> Though that would probably restrict us to only creating watchpoints
> for addresses that are actually mapped in the task.

As above, since this is contextual and temporal, that wouldn't actually protect
us.

Consider a user task with something mapped at 0xCAFEF00D:

* access_ok(0xCAFEF00D, 1) is true

* copy_from_user_nofault(dst, 0xCAFEF00D, 1) succeeds without faulting.

... so we would be able to install a watchpoint.

However, after this the task might *transiently* use a different mapping (e.g.
the idmap), which could have an unrelated mapping at 0xCAFEF00D (for which
copy_from_user_nofault() would fault).

> > In the cases we switch to another mapping, we could try to ensure that we
> > enable/disable potentially unsafe watchpoints/breakpoints.
>
> That seems it'd be too hard to reason that it's 100% safe, everywhere,
> on every arch. I'm still convinced we can prohibit creation of such
> watchpoints in the first place, but need something other than
> access_ok().

As above, I don't think that can be an ahead-of-time check. If we want the
watchpoints to fire on kernel-mode accesses to user memory, we need a temporal
boundary around when userspace mappings are transiently switched with other
mappings.

While that's arch specific, there are relatively few places that do that
switch.

> > Taking a look at arm64, our idmap code might actually be ok, since we usually
> > mask all the DAIF bits (and the 'D' or 'Debug' bit masks HW
> > breakpoints/watchpoints). For EFI we largely switch to another thread (but not
> > always), so that would need some auditing.
> >
> > So if this only needs to work in per-task mode rather than system-wide mode, I
> > reckon we can have some save/restore logic around those special cases where we
> > transiently install a mapping, which would protect us.
>
> It should only work in per-task mode.

Ok, that makes the problem much simpler; with that in mind arm64 might already
be safe today.

That rules out a user task trying to monitor a kthread, which is the common
case (e.g. most EFI RTS calls or use of the idmap for idle).

There are a few rare cases where we do this within the context of a user task.
In those cases we're already doing a bunch of work to transiently switch page
tables and other state, so we could add some hooks to transiently disable
watchpoints and call those at the same time.

> > For the threads that run with special mappings in the low half, I'm not sure
> > what to do. If we've ruled out system-wide monitoring I believe those would be
> > protected from unprivileged users.
>
> Can the task actually access those special mappings, or is it only
> accessible by the kernel?

They're only accessible by the kernel, and are not accessible by a uaccess or
actual userspace access.

As above, they're in a distinct set of page tables (so not accessible from
other threads within the same process), and they're mapped with kernel
permissions, so the uaccess routines should fault.

Thanks,
Mark.

Mark Rutland

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Hi Dmitry,

We raced to reply here, so there's more detail in my reply to Marco. I'm
providing minimal detail here, sorry for being terse! :)

On Wed, Feb 01, 2023 at 10:53:44AM +0100, Dmitry Vyukov wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 at 10:34, Marco Elver <el...@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 at 11:46, Mark Rutland <mark.r...@arm.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > This again feels like a deficiency with access_ok(). Is there a better
> > > > primitive than access_ok(), or can we have something that gives us the
> > > > guarantee that whatever it says is "ok" is a userspace address?
> > >
> > > I don't think so, since this is contextual and temporal -- a helper can't give
> > > a single correct answert in all cases because it could change.
> >
> > That's fair, but unfortunate. Just curious: would
> > copy_from_user_nofault() reliably fail if it tries to access one of
> > those mappings but where access_ok() said "ok"?
>
> I also wonder if these special mappings are ever accessible in a user
> task context?

No. The special mappings are actually distinct page tables from the user page
tables, so whenever userspace is executing and can issue a syscall, the user
page tables are installed.

The special mappings are only installed for transient periods within the
context of a user task. There *might* be some latent issues with work happening
in IPI context (e.g. perf user backtrace) on some architectures.

> If yes, can a racing process_vm_readv/writev mess with these special mappings?

No; those happen in task context, and cannot be invoked within the critical
section where the page tables with the special mappings are installed.

> We could use copy_from_user() to probe that the watchpoint address is
> legit. But I think the memory can be potentially PROT_NONE but still
> legit, so copy_from_user() won't work for these corner cases.

Please see my other reply; ahead-of-time checks cannot help here. An address
might be a legitimate user address and *also* transiently be a special mapping
(since the two aare in entirely separate page tables).

Thanks,
Mark.

Dmitry Vyukov

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This brings more clarity. Thanks for the explanations.

If addresses overlap, then it seems that the kernel must disable all
watchpoints while the mapping is installed. This patch tries to relax
checks, but CAP_ADMIN can install such watchpoints today. And they can
unintentionally break kernel, or produce false watchpoint triggers.
And if all watchpoints are disabled while the mapping is installed,
then this patch should be OK, right?
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