Canon R5 with RF5.2mm F2.8 L Dual Fisheye, CRM vs Atmos Ninja V+ raw

[Gary Jaeger]

Regarding making Immersive for Vision Pro, is there any advantage to taking the raw 8K out from the R5 and recording ProRes RAW on the Ninja vs simply recording internally to .CRM? I've tested and I don't see any real advantage, unless there is a dynamic range advantage which is one thing I didn't test. 

- gary 

[Andrew Hazelden]

Hi Gary,

If you are on Windows there is a slight difference in that Resolve Studio supports the Canon Raw Light codec but it does not support ProRes RAW (yet) as far as I know.

Cheers,

Andrew Hazelden

Kartaverse Developer

[Gary Jaeger]

Thanks Andrew.

I’m on a Mac, but I don’t think the R5 supports Cinema RAW Light, does it? Might only be the R5 C?

So is the only real advantage a workflow one? Vs a quality difference?

[Nick Brazzi]

For me, it came down to HDR. Originally, I used the Canon VR Utility to import recordings as ProRes. But, there was no way to get HDR from that. If you import the .CRM files directly into Resolve, you can take advantage of the full CLog3 Colorspace and transform to HDR.

When I saw the "Sessions" video published on the Prima app, it really woke me up to what HDR brings to the table. Granted, they're using a COMPLETELY different camera with other advantages. But, the point stands - HDR made a huge difference.

I'm quite happy with the quality I'm getting from the R5c, with a full HDR workspace and other tricks. 

So, I'm wondering - when you record to the Ninja, do you get full HDR or Log colorspace? Personally, I don't know, but I don't think you can.

If you do care about the HDR workflow and you need more details, I'm happy to share.

[Gary Jaeger]

Thanks for the reply, the ninja can record log and HDR and when recording from the R5 raw HDMI stream ProRes RAW is the only option in fact. Thanks for the offer about HDR workflows. We do a lot of VFX work so I'm pretty solid there tbh. Appreciate the offer though. I'll do some other tests with more extreme exposure differences to test that, but for now if I don't have the ninja mounted I won't stress it too much. By the way, I thought the Canon VR Utility only read .h264? does it read ProRes and I just missed it? either way, happy to avoid that utility if I can one stop shop it in Resolve. 

[Nick Brazzi]

Right on. 

My understanding is that the Canon VR Utility reads the .CRM file on from the CFExpress card. Then, depending on your output settings, it can output .h426 or ProRes. I think there was a persistent glitch a few months back where it would not export ProRes files. But, that has been fixed.

I used to be 100% on Premiere. I used the Canon VR utility to import Prores files and edited in Premiere. But, that whole HDR thing was the thing that kicked me up to Resolve. Since you can import the .CRM directly into Resolve, I don't need it in my post-production workflow. 

However, I do still us the Canon VR Utility on set. It's still the quickest way to get a clip onto the Apple Vision headset. Shoot 5 seconds. Import with the Canon VR utility. Use Andrew's Spatial Metadata GUI tool to convert it to MV-HEVC, load that to the headset. The only way I can be 100% sure about my focus.