Opening in 4th seat.

[jerome keslin]

IMP's.Vul vs Nv. 3 passes to you.

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Open 1◇ or 2◇?

[Ronald Kalf]

2D, constructive, not a W2 in 4th. 

[jerome keslin]

Thanks, I am fully aware that a 4th seat weak 2 isn't say about 5-9. One would just pass with that. However do you play it as 9-12, or 10-13 or 10-14 or even 10-15?

Holding a very good suit , 14 hcp, 6-4 shape and only 5 losers, isn't this too good for a 4th seat weak 2? How much is this hand worth using the KnR evaluation? About 16?

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[fred Curtis]

Lack of Aces suggests it is going to be tricky  encouraging partner towards  3NT if I show extras - and 5D opposite a passed hand is unlikely...

He cannot have more than 2A (with 3 QT or AAK unbalanced good chance he opens)

Hence 2D opening is just fine (and given you hold only 3 M cards, very rerluctant to let opponents in). 

NB if C & S reversed, it is a completely different matter as the possibility of M fit ...

fred

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[st...@cjsw.us]

It's 16.3 K&R (really?!), which would normally be 1D. However, I'd
still open 2D for tactical reasons. If the bidding comes back to me at
2M, which seems likely, I can compete with 3C (or 2NT, depending on
agreements) and not have understated the D length. I'd rather play a
6-2 than a 4-3.

A secondary reason is that the K&R looks too optimistic to me: no aces,
short majors, and little defensive value.