Fwd: The hands

[jerome keslin]

Here are the 2 hands.We languished in 2◇ , losing 9.6 IMP to the rest of the pairs in a BBO Speedball. Of the 16 pairs who played this hand, 14 got to game. I guess we deserved this.

[Doug Deacon]

Pretty powerful for 2D. Good topics for partnership discussion... what's the expected strength/range for a 4th seat weak 2? Is it different for 2D vs. 2M?

On Sun, Jun 28, 2026, 10:07 AM jerome keslin <jet...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here are the 2 hands.We languished in 2◇ , losing 9.6 IMP to the rest of the pairs in a BBO Speedball. Of the 16 pairs who played this hand, 14 got to game. I guess we deserved this.

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[Christopher Monsour]

I can't fathom passing a 4^th seat 2D.  After all, a 4^th seat 2D should be a minimum opening hand (or possibly an 11 count), trying to keep the opponents out of the auction.  Otherwise , just pass. 

This hand shouldn't fear being in 3D, so a 2H response seems obvious.  The alternative would be to bid 2N intending to pass 3D but to bid3N if partner shows a non-minimum with a black-suit feature, to bid and 4H if he shows a non-minimum with a heart feature.

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Here are the 2 hands.We languished in 2◇ , losing 9.6 IMP to the rest of the pairs in a BBO Speedball. Of the 16 pairs who played this hand, 14 got to game. I guess we deserved this.

[Carl WEISMAN]

Passing 2D is wrong. But what to bid? Who has discussed responses to 4th seat 2-bids?

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Here are the 2 hands.We languished in 2◇ , losing 9.6 IMP to the rest of the pairs in a BBO Speedball. Of the 16 pairs who played this hand, 14 got to game. I guess we deserved this.

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[jerome keslin]

To respond sensibly to the 4th seat weak 2,

surely it depends on the point range, suit quality, loser count and quick tricks, which the partnership has agreed upon.  I have not found any consensus on this in the literature that I have seen.

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[Doug Deacon]

Fully agree. I'd never pass with this near opening hand. There's only downside in passing since 3D is quite safe.

The more interesting question is, what auction is best after 2D?

I don't need to know, since my partnerships can't open 2D (we play mini-Roman). We'd 

open the obvious, mandatory 1D.

p-1D, 1H-2C, 2H-2N, 3N seems routine for KSU.

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[Christopher Monsour]

You should muck a 10 count with no four-card major and the range can't be very wide, so 11-14, probably excluding bad 11s and good 14s, seems fairly clear. 

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On 6/28/26 6:38 PM, Christopher Monsour wrote:
> You should muck a 10 count with no four-card major and the range can't
> be very wide, so 11-14, probably excluding bad 11s and good 14s, seems
> fairly clear.

Maybe Christopher's "very" is different from mine, but I'd have thought
the range is about the same as opening 1M and rebidding 2M in any other
seat, maybe even slightly wider. (The 2D opener cannot be a "miserable
minimum," so 1M-2M is the nearest comparison.) That's maybe 11-15+, not
a huge difference and definitely limited.

With responder's hand, which I take to be A95 QJT54 T3 A85, and bearing
in mind that KS minor-suit openers are sound, I'd force to game if vul
at IMPs. At other conditions, I don't think the hand is quite strong
enough, but it's worth an invitation. Maybe responder didn't notice
that 2D was in fourth seat?

Absent other agreements, responding 2H seems obvious. In theory a
passed hand can't force, but what hand can opener pass with? A passed
responder can't have a weak hand with long hearts! In my preferred
agreements, I'd bid 2NT to show hearts. My alternative bid would be 2H
as an artificial inquiry, more or less the same hands others would
respond 2NT with.

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