Attending: Eve, Andrew Hughes, Paul L, John, Ann, Adrian, Jon, Kathleen, Sal
Is it valuable to solve for a model where an agent can be working on behalf of resource owner vs. a resource owner?
The protean nature of the word "agent/agency" is troubling. Is there a good substitute word? If not, do we have to define *Agent for all of our terms in an UMA context? We did already have Requesting Party Agent. Perhaps, at best, we should define it operationally but stay away from legal subtleties.
We've said that resource owner = Authorizing Party. Does that work, or is it not equivalent? There are terminology questions and there are UMA architecture questions. Should we just wave away problems by making them equivalent?
Adrian's concern is what happens in phase 1. These use cases have different properties in that phase. Eventually (soon), we will be in a position to work on what's supposed to happen when RS's want to take an action in response to an access request that is in contradiction to the permissions contained in an RPT (requesting party token). First, we need to understand exactly "who" configured the AS to
By the way, all the same patterns could apply whether or not the resources contain PII or not. What if the resource owner created digital media that they want to sell? Is there a reason to distinguish in our terminology at all? What if a resource contains PII "in bulk" for many individuals (in directories or databases or other repositories)? This was the point of Adrian's example. Eve's point was, rather, that individuals might want to be protecting resources that don't contain PII. Okay, now we're on the same page! There are use cases for UMA that span "Alice" and "enterprise".
Let's try to conclude this decision-making process by next week, and then move on to the decisions about RS actions in contradiction.
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On Feb 19, 2016, at 16:58, Adrian Gropper <agro...@healthurl.com> wrote:"It's turtles all the way down, madam."
I'm not saying Eve is the madam. What I am saying is that the ISO concepts of Subject, Controller, and Processor are of limited utility to UMA technical or legal.
As long as in real life the RS has a _direct_ relationship with the Subject (and the subject's custodian in Eve's five bullets above - whoever they are, they have credentials that the RS recognizes) the RS is both a Controller and a Processor.
NOTE A PII controller sometimes instructs others (e.g., PII processors) to process PII on its behalf while the responsibility for the processing remains with the PII controller.
NOTE Depending on the jurisdiction and the particular data protection and privacy legislation, the synonym “data subject” can also be used instead of the term “PII principal”.
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I told u that u could use bridgeidentity.com identities a long time ago as neutral user centric portals. Maybe a bit sooner than one could understand the importance.
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@AdrianFrom your description, it sounds to me that you are seeking the Operator of the Resource Server to agree to accept and use an Authorization Server that the Subject (one or more of your list of 4 possible candidates) specifies. (I think)
As long as the Operator of the Resource Server is willing (and I suspect that for some cases they won't be willing) to externalize authorization policy decision point functions to a (probably) previously-unencountered Authorization Server, then isn't this "simply" a case of writing a contract that specifies terms of use etc.?
Perhaps there is a Discovery Service function that the Resource Server uses to find the AS and get endpoint information from the AS.
But the big thing, I think, is to satisfy the Resource Server Operator that it is 'safe' to externalize authorization policy decisions. I.e. that the AS is operated at an mutually-acceptable level to deliver reliable, trust-worthy assertions.
Am I getting closer or further away from the point?
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OCR is authoritative in my book especially when it comes to health IT. I think their explanation is simple and elegantly laid out. Easy to understand. Hints at the flip side - accounting of disclosure.
The consent you seem to worry about most- delegation 3rd part access is an authorization made by a patient that a resource operator must honor.