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[kan...@aol.com]

I'm already so tired of people etching the Chiefs epitaph. 

End of an era. Give me a break. 

Context: 

How many 49 er's won 4 super bowl rings with Montana? Answer; 3,  counting the coach

How many Patriots won 6 rings with Brady? ONE, counting the coach. 

How many years did it take for the Niners to win their 4 SB's? Answer, 8

How many years did it take for the Pats to win their 6? 17 years. 

The Steelers did well, winning their 4 SB's in six years. 

The point is that these "dynasties" didn't win every year, by any means. And the ONLY constant was the QB and the coach. IMO it's way early to write the Chiefs off. Mahomes will recover from his ACL,  period. They quote healing in 6-12 months. I predict the lower end of this spectrum. P.M. is supremely fit. That matters a lot. Call it "pre-hab" instead of rehab. 

Oh, and he's just a WEE bit motivated. And coach Reid knows a thing or two about the game. He might need to retool some of his thinking; but he's got the skills. 

Obvious quote applies here, "I'll be back". 

Oh, and just for more context, Brady tore HIS ACL too. Voted MVP the next year. (Recall that a Chief caused the injury; and that the league made a rule about hitting QB's below the knees as a response.)

[GMoney]

Exactly the facts I had in my head when i heard about the surgery, including looking up exactly when Brady's ACL tear was....very similar point in their careers. One difference that is a little concerning is that mobility OUTSIDE of the pocket was never one of Brady's weapons (he's the best at moving inside the pocket that ever lived)...whereas moving outside the pocket is VERY important for Mahomes. 

But yeah...100% echo what you said.  

[Brian Kegerreis]

At least one running back returned from an ACL injury and won MVP not that long ago, or at least rushing champion.  If surgery and rehab are done right Mahomes should be fine. 

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[GMoney]

On Tue, Dec 16, 2025 at 1:52 PM Brian Kegerreis <bkege...@gmail.com> wrote:

At least one running back returned from an ACL injury and won MVP not that long ago, or at least rushing champion.  If surgery and rehab are done right Mahomes should be fine. 

I had my ACL surgery when i was 27, 3 years younger than Mahomes. I'm sure in 20+ years they've made advancements in the procedure...and of course PM is an elite athlete...i'm a weekend warrior.

But here is what my surgeon told me: Your repaired ligament will be good to go immediately after the surgery. In fact your repaired knee will be stronger, ligament wise, than your other knee. 

Rehab is all about two things really: 

1) Getting over the intrusion of the surgery itself, the healing of the wound, removal of the staples and drain, the reduction of the swelling, etc.  This process simply takes time. WHile you can't do a LOT to rehab during this time, you CAN do things. My surgeon told me to ditch my crutches as soon as possible and to start walking on the leg. Rehab at this point involves some light, non impact work like an elliptical machine....and, as the swelling starts to ebb, straightening of the leg. I'm getting sweats just thinking about this part because post-op is very painful for this surgery....and your leg has no desire to be straightened....so they strapped my leg down and straightened it that way. I took a swing at the guy it was so painful...happens all the time he said. PM's elite athleticism should help this phase.....he's a fast healer by all accounts. I heard some people are surprised that he's starting rehab as early as tomorrow....but that is exactly what I did as well. 

2) Once the pain and swelling has subsided enough, they get you up and on that leg and working it out as much as you can. The point now is not to strengthen the ligaments....like i said, those were ready day 1 from post op...it's to rebuild the muscle mass that was lost during the weeks you were off that leg. This is the piece that takes the most time...it's also the piece that Mahomes tenacity should really benefit him. I did this rehab for many months. Can't remember exactly when i was ready to go back out and start playing basketball again...but I think i waited a full year.

The final hurdle is mental. I wore a knee brace for several YEARS after the surgery....mostly just for the mental side of it, helping me trust that leg again.

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My bet is for PM to be ready to play on opening day of 2026, some time in September...a full 9 months after the surgery.  

Anything to add or correct here Doc?

[kan...@aol.com]

I'm not an ortho expert. That said, you're pretty much on point. That's what I called pre-hab; the fitness that you bring to the table before surgery. When people are headed for a rotator cuff repair, for example, they tell you to start rehab exercises before the surgery. Obviously, PM didn't have time for specific exercises; but his training routine puts him in great position.

The quad muscles lose like 40% of their strength in like two weeks of inactivity. Like you said, that's what takes the time. Mahomes will beat any normal timetable due to his starting fitness and his extreme motivation. When the PT moved your knee painfully (same thing with my rotator cuffs), Mahomes will ask for MORE. That's just him. He'll take the whole thing as a challenge. 

BK is right. Since the knee will be stable, Mahomes will be able to start/stop and make cuts. He won't have the weekend warrior's mental concern. Jamaal Charles had a torn ACL He played well after; although he may have lost a step. Of course he was almost Olympic FAST; so a lost step wasn't the end of his career. 

Point is, Mahomes does really aggressive training. You can watch him in that QB documentary from last year. So he's pre-habbed to the hilt. And his mental outlook is stratospheric, even when compared to other athletes. He'll be back, period. Skill and will should guarantee it (barring some unforeseen catastrophe)

And if we want some encouragement, look at Lindsay Vonn. This crazy bitch just placed second in a downhill ski race and fourth in a super-G. She's 42; and she's part bionic by now. And those knees take a serious beating when cranking along at 75-80 MPH. Talk about stable ligaments. She broke her arm a couple of years ago and skied down the hill in a sling. 

And she's HOT. 

Athletes are a different animal. 

[kan...@aol.com]

 I checked on Jamaal Charles. After his ACL he had two seasons of near Pro-Bowl quality. 1200-1500 rushing yards and  plenty of receiving yards. 

So speed not an issue, or toughness. 

Those etching Mahomes gravestone are WAY premature. 

[GMoney]

On Tue, Dec 16, 2025 at 6:40 PM 'kan...@aol.com' via Kansas City Diversity Coalition <kansas-city-div...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 I checked on Jamaal Charles. After his ACL he had two seasons of near Pro-Bowl quality. 1200-1500 rushing yards and  plenty of receiving yards. 

So speed not an issue, or toughness. 

Those etching Mahomes gravestone are WAY premature. 

Yes they are, but I DO think his game needs to change. He needs to read the manual titled "So you're turning 30 as a quarterback...." by Tom Brady (forward by Peyton Manning)....two of the greatest who's careers THRIVED after they turned 30.  He needs to study tape on how Manning and Brady moved INSIDE the pocket....not out of it. 

I agree that Mahomes still has plenty of good years ahead...but just HOW good depends on him making some adjustments. 

[kan...@aol.com]

That's a good  point, G. When I watch other QB's, they often appear less "hassled" in the  pocket. Mahomes starts to fidget a lot, sooner than others. I don't know if that's him or the O line not being up to snuff. But your suggested reading material is right. I watch the LA Rams QB, and he just sits there and dissects  the defense. I saw Aaron Rogers on Monday, same. It occurred to me that offering Aaron a one year deal would make sense if Mahomes' rehab is slowed up. Rogers still has a great arm, and unbelievably quick release. Just musing. 

When I see the Chiefs right now, I don't see receivers as open and easy to hit as ones on other teams. Is that because they don't run good routes? Or something. And runners don't seem to have big holes as often as others. Is it the players? The O line? Our middle three are supposed to be Pro Bowl quality. Coaching? It just looks harder for our offense to  generate yards than it used to be, and what other teams can do. Some fixes are called for. Mahomes will do his part. Others need to also. 

[GMoney]

On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 11:57 AM 'kan...@aol.com' via Kansas City Diversity Coalition <kansas-city-div...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

That's a good  point, G. When I watch other QB's, they often appear less "hassled" in the  pocket. Mahomes starts to fidget a lot, sooner than others. I don't know if that's him or the O line not being up to snuff. But your suggested reading material is right. I watch the LA Rams QB, and he just sits there and dissects  the defense. I saw Aaron Rogers on Monday, same. It occurred to me that offering Aaron a one year deal would make sense if Mahomes' rehab is slowed up. Rogers still has a great arm, and unbelievably quick release. Just musing. 

He's a science denying MAGA douche who's family won't even talk to him. 

He wouldn't come here anyway since he won't get to play the full season. He can still spin it though, and he's probably the most consistently accurate passer I've ever watched. He threw a TD pass against us a few years ago when he was still a Packer that is probably the greatest throw i've ever seen.

 

When I see the Chiefs right now, I don't see receivers as open and easy to hit as ones on other teams. Is that because they don't run good routes? Or something. And runners don't seem to have big holes as often as others. Is it the players? The O line? Our middle three are supposed to be Pro Bowl quality. Coaching? It just looks harder for our offense to  generate yards than it used to be, and what other teams can do. Some fixes are called for. Mahomes will do his part. Others need to also. 

The answer is probably "all of the above". If the talking idiots on the squawk box are to be believed, our offense has become predictable. Apparently more than once this year defensive players have said they knew exactly what was coming. that certainly seemed to be the case last Sunday, as Charger DBs were getting to the spot at the same time our WRs were....and laying out some serious hits. 

After 10 boring off seasons of "ho hum, another super bowl run"...this one will be VERY interesting...and important. It either lays the groundwork for a continued dynasty into the latter half of our unicorn's career ala Brady.....or sets us up for a Russell Wilson-like late career collapse (yikes!)

[B Keg]

I dont think Brady made the playoffs the year after his injury so hold off in the dynasty is over argument.

Clearly we had a injury bug that decimated out offensive line that otherwise was should have been pretty good. Aaron Rogers couldn't do shit at the Jets because their own line sucks. Stafford looked pretty bad a couple of years ago when the Rams O line was injured. 

There is a pattern there.

If you control the line if scrimmage yo7 control the game.

Also,

In my opinion watching the Chiefs it felt like they were not playing with 100% effort. It seemed like not everyone was out there giving it their all.. not every player but like Chris Jones just watching Lawrence run it in. It his 2 consecutive offsides againt the Chargers even though only 1 was called. I dont mean to ouck on Jones, but he sets the tone on defense. 

Then there is the running game, or lack of one. This was partly to the O line issues. Mahomes was our leading rusher in too many games. No running game no chance to fool the defense. And modern defenses are too good you have to fool them once in while to put them on thier heels. 

This season isnt over but its over if you know what I mean.  The front office needs to really step up ad evaluate the whole team from top to bottom.

Be nice, even when you don't want to!

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[kan...@aol.com]

You and G are making the correct points. Aaron R. is a certifiable weirdo. But boy  he can throw the rock. And no, we won't hire him. 

I was impressed with the left O Tackle backup to the backup. He's earned a deeper look. No flags, no sacks, and the defense was a pretty good one. Let him play the next few games. An audition for his future. 

Chris Jones looked like he took a lot of plays off. And he spent a fair amount of time of the sideline. Subtle injuries? Age? Or just not pushing it? In the Houston game he looked like his old self. He was creating havoc on multiple plays. Can he still bring that every week, every play? 

But we're going to get a pretty high draft spot. Should be able to make use of it. 

This off season will be a test of the front office. G's got it right. Resurrection or fading into the sunset. 

[GMoney]

On Wed, Dec 17, 2025 at 5:40 PM B Keg <kegb...@gmail.com> wrote:

I dont think Brady made the playoffs the year after his injury so hold off in the dynasty is over argument.

yes he did. He only missed the playoffs two years in New England...in 2002 (year after they surprised the Rams) and in 2008, the year he tore his ACL. When he started back up in 2009, they went right back to the playoffs.

 

Clearly we had a injury bug that decimated out offensive line that otherwise was should have been pretty good. Aaron Rogers couldn't do shit at the Jets because their own line sucks. Stafford looked pretty bad a couple of years ago when the Rams O line was injured. 

There is a pattern there.

Absolutely line play matters, big time. Brady also had the luxury of top 10 defenses in many of those NE years. 

 

If you control the line if scrimmage yo7 control the game.

Also,

In my opinion watching the Chiefs it felt like they were not playing with 100% effort. It seemed like not everyone was out there giving it their all.. not every player but like Chris Jones just watching Lawrence run it in. It his 2 consecutive offsides againt the Chargers even though only 1 was called. I dont mean to ouck on Jones, but he sets the tone on defense. 

Then there is the running game, or lack of one. This was partly to the O line issues. Mahomes was our leading rusher in too many games. No running game no chance to fool the defense. And modern defenses are too good you have to fool them once in while to put them on thier heels. 

This season isnt over but its over if you know what I mean.  The front office needs to really step up ad evaluate the whole team from top to bottom.

Can't argue with any of that analysis.

Veach and the coaches have a lot of work to do.