ICE detention facilities getting MASSIVE resistance

[kan...@aol.com]

This is national news. Rachel did an uninterrupted half hour tonight.

Trump wants to build ICE detention facilities all over the US. And they are being prevented everywhere. 

A place in  Virginia that went for  Trump by >20  points protested until the deal was cancelled. This one was unique in that the warehouse is owned by a Canadian billionaire. He got so much pushback from his employees union and others that he cancelled the deal

Oklahoma City, Salt Lake City, San Antonio, etc, etc. Solidly red places are refusing to allow warehouses to be repurposed for detention centers. 

Kansas City has any empty Amazon facility that ICE was looking into. What was weird here is that the agents looking at the place were clad just like the street goons we say on the news. KC passed a five year moratorium preventing the use of facilities like this to used as detention centers. 

The impetus here appears to be massive citizen pushback showing up everywhere. Red/Blue, it doesn't matter. Nobody wants this stuff in their backyard. 

The places being earmarked are empty warehouses. What I can't fathom is how such a place can have the water, sewage, medical, etc to make the place at all humane. The answer is of course that there is no intent to make them so. The ones that in place have had injuries, even deaths, and a measles outbreak. 

G, I'm going to point out to you that the people of the US are speaking out loudly and getting results. Civil action CAN work. 

Now, Trump can use military bases for these facilities. Pretty hard to stop that. We'll see. The KC Mayor was on Rachel tonight expressing his disdain. He also "went there"; mentioning that the KC facility is located near railroad tracks. He said it, no me. 

I was going to suggest that ICE makes sure that they put the crematoriums downwind from the local inhabitants. 

This kind of warehousing hasn't been done since the Japanese internment camps of WWII. Already 70K being held. The planned facilities would more than double that. 

So far it looks like ordinary US citizens aren't going to put up with this. And they see it as not a  political issue, but one of right and wrong. 

[kan...@aol.com]

I so much wanted to title this post as:
Greenland, Antarctica and the US see ICE melting. Couldn't pull the trigger. 

[GMoney]

On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 9:13 PM 'kan...@aol.com' via Kansas City Diversity Coalition <kansas-city-div...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

G, I'm going to point out to you that the people of the US are speaking out loudly and getting results. Civil action CAN work. 

Of course it can. Unified actions through litigation or legislation or the ballot box, or using the authority of local governments/organizations to prevent government/fed overreach is classic Americana....something the old BK would be applauding loudly...as would DF if he wasn't cryogenically frozen for weeks at a time. 

 

[Brian Kegerreis]

I'm 100% in favor of exhausting all peaceful means to redress actual grievances like warrantless searches. But the violent reaction to ICE doing it's job even when it's doing it right, when it's enforcing laws democrats wrote and enforced just because Trump is President it is ridiculous.

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[David Fairchild]

The ballot box is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.  (The curmudgeonly libertarian is still upset at Punxsutawney Phil.)

[GMoney]

On Tue, Feb 3, 2026 at 1:13 PM David Fairchild <dfairc...@gmail.com> wrote:

The ballot box is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.  (The curmudgeonly libertarian is still upset at Punxsutawney Phil.)

Democracy depends upon at least 1 of those wolves being smart enough to realize that they need to keep the sheep around. 

If Libertarians truly believe we cannot even be trusted to self govern via fair elections, then there are only really two other options: 1) The wolves declare themselves leaders without a vote, and eat the sheep or 2) No one is declared the ruler of anyone, and the wolves still eat the sheep. 

So to quote Anton Chigurh: If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?

[kan...@aol.com]

Good job, G. You kind of undid Libertarian thinking in one fell swoop. 

DF's Libertarian notions rely heavily on humans behaving in a very cooperative, generous fashion. And that hasn't been a feature of humans, or really any other species, for..............forever. 

Living beings are driven by their DNA to reproduce. Period. As such, they strive to outdo other members of the species, as well as other species that "get in their way". Now it does benefit some species, humans included, to pool their resources with other related members. This allows them to out-compete other members of the species, given THEIR genes a leg up. 

But there are so many humans around that they need SOME way to created cooperation between groups not inclined to do so. Hence the advent of governments. And as much as the wolf/sheep analogy is used to describe democracy, democracy is still the best way to protect sheep. This is especially true in our modified democracy; which has a lot of sheep protections built in. 

All that aside, what I was pointing out that efforts outside of the ballot box and the legal system can influence gov't. 

And it's still sad/annoying/aggravating that BK focuses on the relatively small amount of law breaking by protestors, while ignoring the real 800 pound gorilla of gov't thuggery. 

[kan...@aol.com]

And another banana peel encounter, Brian. When you say "actual grievances" you are suggesting that the ICE agents' thuggery isn't worth aggrieving over. 

But these people are acting as gov't agents. And such agents of the law NEVER wear masks, and ALWAYS identify themselves. These are armed thugs acting on behalf of the gov't. 

I remain amazed that you thing that their actions are somehow anywhere near legal. They break the law on a daily basis. 

And worse, they defy laws handed down by local govt's. Best example is denying access to ICE detention facilities. Laws are clear that representatives are permitted access without prior notice. But DOJ has seen fit to block such access, and then forcibly arrest those demanding access. Many other examples exist. Sorry that you remain oblivious.