War with Iran based on Jared Kushner's ignorance

[kan...@aol.com]

https://newrepublic.com/post/207554/donald-trump-iran-war-iran-jared-kushner-steve-witkoff

So Kushner and Steve Witkoff, assigned to negotiated with Iran and report to Trump, knew nothing about nuclear capabilities. Their ignorance was conveyed back to Trump in language that misled Trump into thinking that Iran has significant amounts of bomb grade material. What they learned about was a REACTOR that was using uranium for research. It could not enrich uranium. And Iran agreed to turn over their 60% grade material (90% needed for bomb grade). But then Trump brought his China shop with him and started bombing. So deal was off. 

And we still have low knowledge people thinking that this is somehow better than the deal Obama had put together. That deal had Iran giving up their nuclear material and stopping their enrichment program. And the money that is being whined about belonged to Iran in the first place. 

So Trump channels Bush 43 in going to war for reasons that were either created out of whole cloth (Bush) or out of ignorance (you know who). 

[Brian Kegerreis]

The Obama deal was only a halt for 10 years a halt they never lived up to. It was a bad deal it gave them millions of dollars they used to fund terrorists.

One of the core tenants of the Islamifascist regime is to destroy Israel with nuclear weapons. And remember Israel is appetizer we are the main course. Dealing with them is the right thing to do and the sooner and the more completely it is done the better for the Iranian people and the rest of the world. Hating Trump isn't going to change that.

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[kan...@aol.com]

First of all, we didn't GIVE Iran money. We returned it; it was theirs. So stop with that. The US can't do "asset forfeiture" on money just because we don't like how someone will spend it. You can make the same case for Reagan; but his "giving" of money to Iran was many times more. 

As for the deal with Obama, it had done exactly what was expected. No bomb grade uranium, and not very much. Limited centrifuges, etc. 

If Iran has designs on the US, they sure hide it well. They haven't done anything on US soils since.............forever. Israel has been nickel and dimed by Hamas and Hezbollah;  but no direct attack from them. Perhaps Iran is more bark than bite. 

It is NOT the right thing to do to conquer a country, kill thousands of their civilians, just because of their rhetoric. We've actually had Russia and China do all kinds of non-military mischief to us. But we don't talk about ending them. Why? Well, Iran is (perhaps) weak enough to conquer. Russia and China not so much. 

Picking battles because a country is small enough and mouthy enough just isn't a great political strategy. 

But then Trump doesn't have anything approaching strategy. Bull/China shop. 

Oh, and you can read what was going to be a separate post but appears below, Russia is providing Iran with INTEL and DRONES. They see a golden opportunity here- a proxy to annoy us. We're running low on Tomahawk missiles at a few mi each. 

And Trump started this war while in talks with Iran. And they seemed ready to make some nuclear deal, much like the one we HAD with Obama. So, if they're an existential enemy with infinite resolve. why was Trump talking to them in the first place? The timing of this attack screams wag the dog. There was no suddenly occurring pressing need to attack at this exact moment. And you haven't even hinted at an acute reason; just that we've been involved for 20+ years. 

Here's the post regarding Russia's involvement: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/03/10/putin-iran-partnership-killing-americans/

Another version was in a Miami paper; but it was taking a swipe at A. Deluna, a Florida rep who's a Trump sycophant. 

And China has an economic part with Iran, too. Don't know how much is happening now. FYI, arrangements between China and Iran date back 2500 years. So there's that. 

So, we're at "war" with Iran, with instructions not to call it a war. They have various agreements with Russia AND China. The one with Russia is currently active. This pretty much makes it a world war. All the major players have dogs in the hunt. And many minor players are on the field too. 

It will take great diplomacy to smooth things out, something dearly lacking in our admin, as well as Russia's and Iran's. 

[David Fairchild]

Yeah, I don't know what DT was thinking in launching this utter folly. Perhaps BKK can enlighten us.

From a strategic POV, is it the case that Iran really did pose such an existential threat to the US that Iran's miliary needed to be ended now -- even at the now seemingly likely neutering of DT's power come November? The current state is clearly untenable for DT's political future.

From a tactical POV why was there seemingly no plan to ensure the SoH continued to operate seamlessly and safely through all this? As it is now, the SoH is essentially shut down due to Iranian drone threat, and Iran (right or wrong) seemingly has the world convinced that the U.S. Navy cannot stop this. So now DT has to decide to let this problem persist, risk $100 oil for months, and if so, surely lose the House and maybe the Senate in November, or he has to commit U.S. troops to terrible ground action to make the SoH safe again -- which likewise would surely cost him dearly in November. 

It seems the SoH is about the only tactical leverage Iran has left, and they seem to be applying it very well currently. I think perpetual DT and MIC apologist BKK needs to tell us how this gets resolved for DT's and America's benefit. I am not seeing it, and neither is my 401k. As a southern baldy correctly one said, it's the economy, stupid

[Brian Kegerreis]

The SOH isnt as important as it was a dozen years ago. Both the Saudis and one of the gulf states have built pipeline work around. The market is driven by fear not reason. Ok so what, buy low and sell high and take advantage of that fear and stop worrying. 

The next Iranian regime will be much better than the one now in power. 

I don't know how long this conflict will last but im really sure the Middle east and the rest of the world will be better of without an Islamfascist death cult in charge of Persia. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Well, Dave, you heard it from the horse's (asshole) mouth. 

Doesn't know when the war will end? That sounds like the same mistake made more than a few times by POTUS of both parties. 

The SoH still ships 20-30% of the world's oil. That's not trivial. 

And the new Ayatollah is "Ibn" the last one. Do we think he's going to be inclined to be more accommodating to the admin that just killed Daddy Dearest? 

The best we can hope for is that he was raised better than Saddam's  psycho sons. At least Dad had a religious background. Maybe Ibn can be dealt with without dropping a bomb in his lap. 

Oh, this just in: Trump is mulling over the idea of reinstituting the draft. I say go for it. That's get a TON of Dems elected

And while BK is panty-wadded about my perceived whining, let me add that in Trump's last address he made statements to the effect:

The war is over, Iran is defeated/ We have more work to do there

The is over/ it's just beginning

Their nuclear capability was ended with the bombing back in June/ They are weeks away from having nuclear grade uranium. 

Etc, etc, etc. 

He is a clueless fuck. And plenty of MAGA people are beginning to see it. 

And for BK to defend him in any fashion.............well  there's this: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0ow4X8tiMI

G can cite the Simpson's; I'll do Star Wars. I think he has a better resource. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Normally the Saudis ship about 6mbbl per day through the gulf. Now they are shipping 5bbp per day to the red Sea by the pipeline bypassing the SOH. They arre able to increase that to 7mbbl.

The UAE has a made a similar bypass. 

Yes the SOH is important to Iran and Iraqi oil but they are sanctioned and not of any real value to the US or Europe. 

Yes the SOH is still important but not as much as it was. Which is what I said. 

[kan...@aol.com]

OK.