No US reps at climate summit in Brazil

[kan...@aol.com]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/31/cop30-climate-us-officials

So the entire world, except the US, is working on climate issues. 

We choose to sit it out. And Trump, is his usual fashion, loudly tells the rest of the world that he thinks it's all a hoax. And he tells anyone who will listen to quit using renewable power sources and to back to oil/gas/coal. I wonder who  has his ear? And wallet. He claims that countries that do this will become broke losers. 

Under Trump we're an international joke; except this issue isn't amusing. Maybe he'll change his tune when Mar-a-Lago is under water. More likely, he'll be dead by then. But, things are moving fairly quickly. We'll see. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

The climate summit is a joke. 

They want to create a giant wealth redistribution profanity disguised as climate mitigation that will make us poorer and China richer. 

The whole thing is a scam. The world will not end if the temperature rises another 8 degrees let alone the 2 they are crying about. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

And that's about the most concentrated amount of bullshit that you can stuff into a single  post. 

So you're officially on board as a climate change denier. 

Nothing happens if the earth warms by 8 degrees? Well, Kansas will look like Mexico in terms of agriculture. And Canada will look like Kansas. And with their natural resources and land they will become the US of the next century. THEY"LL be building a wall to keep US out. And then there's Russia. Largest land mass of any country. Warm it up by 8 degrees and they'll look like the US of the early 1800's. Land, water, timber..........ring a bell? We'll all be dead when/if it happens; but earth that much warmer will benefit exactly those two countries the most. They'll have all the advantages that we had when we were growing our greatness. 

And of course with THAT much warming, almost all the ice in Greenland and Antarctica will melt. Ocean levels will rise by many feet. Let's see.........Florida, half under water. Texas, not doing so well. And New York City, same fate. And 1-2 billion people will need to move someplace else. Actually, that melting is already underway. But nothing to see here folks; move along. 

Or, as the stupids like to say, "Nothing to worry about". 

[Brian Kegerreis]

You call me climate change denier even though I've said repeatedly the climate is always changing. You do that because you don't want admit the climate alarmism is based on a lie. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

What's the lie Brian? And who's doing the lying? 

I hear from 10,000 scientists what's happening. And anyone with eyes can see the changes happening all over the world. And a handful of scientists, well compensated by the oil/gas industries, are making the argument that YOU put forth. 

In the future, save the bullshit about the "climate changing all the time". Duh. We're talking about a rapid linear change brought on significantly by human activity. 

And your "the world can warm by 8 degrees" is just a fabricate LIE. At that temperature many things will happen essentially all at once. (All at once in geologic time, meaning a few years pr decades.). 

1) Massive ice sheets, Greenland and Antarctica melt, raising sea levels a LOT

2) Arctic ice cap melts even more, changing the albedo of the earth some

3) Permafrost melts, releasing billions of cubic feet of methane a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. Nothing to worry about here

4) The North Atlantic Gyre, an important ocean current, part of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, AMOC, could shut down. This would change global weather patterns dramatically. 

5) Coral bleaching will worsen; it's already serious. Coral plays a critical role in the ocean's biological diversity and health. Oh, and coral plays a big role in mitigating the effects of wave damage on shoreline, like during a hurricane. 

This is a lot of things that can happen very rapidly (in geologic time scale). And they amplify each other. We're already seeing much of it in action; and the temperature hasn't risen all that much. 

But you just keep your head up your ass. You'll be dead before things get catastrophic. Your kids might curse your grave; but you won't be there to listen. 

And I'll be gone too. So will G. Maybe we should keep buying the really BIG gas eating cars and not worry about it. That's what Trump wants; it must be the right thing to do. 

[GMoney]

On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 7:38 AM Brian Kegerreis <bkege...@gmail.com> wrote:

The world will not end if the temperature rises another 8 degrees let alone the 2 they are crying about. 

BWAHAHAHA!!

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the American Education System!  What's 8 degrees...pfffft...that's the difference between a t-shirt and a windbreaker, am i right???

Holy shit....this post explains SO much about America 2025.  

[David Fairchild]

No, what's wrong with the American educational system is that it has apparently failed to teach us to 1.) quantify and contextualize and 2.) debate with logic rather than ad hominem.

FWIW, I for one doubt man has the ability to end the world. I believe man has the ability to end himself, but that is different than ending the world. As to 8 degrees specifically, I think it's a safe bet this would neither end the world nor end man entirely. Undoubtedly it would displace billions, force huge changes in the production of food supplies, and likely kill hundreds of millions unable to adapt if it happened fast enough.  

[GMoney]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2025 at 11:28 AM David Fairchild <dfairc...@gmail.com> wrote:

FWIW, I for one doubt man has the ability to end the world. I believe man has the ability to end himself, but that is different than ending the world.

No, it is not. This is splitting hairs. Of course we can't physically annihilate our planet. 

This is a silly distinction.

 

As to 8 degrees specifically, I think it's a safe bet this would neither end the world nor end man entirely. Undoubtedly it would displace billions, force huge changes in the production of food supplies, and likely kill hundreds of millions unable to adapt if it happened fast enough.  

Um.....correct. But BK doesn't seem to think that's a big deal.

[David Fairchild]

Just because a change is a "big deal" doesn't mean its necessarily good or bad in the aggregate. It may be that significant clime change is required if we are to sustain 8 billion people. I don't know. But if it is required, then this would seem to open a whole other potential ethical can of worms.

[GMoney]

On Mon, Nov 3, 2025 at 12:06 PM David Fairchild <dfairc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just because a change is a "big deal" doesn't mean its necessarily good or bad in the aggregate. It may be that significant clime change is required if we are to sustain 8 billion people. I don't know. But if it is required, then this would seem to open a whole other potential ethical can of worms.

 Your brand of "people as commodities" Libertarianism is even colder than my general apathy towards everyone else. Nice.

I do hope we see someone come out and support the idea that climate change, and all the displacements and deaths that could be associated with it, is actually a good thing...and necessary if we are to eventually support 8 billion.

I'd salute that maniac.

[kan...@aol.com]

Wow, DF, you really did out-dystopia G on this one." Undoubtedly displace billions, disrupt food supplies and likely kill.........." Was that a shoulder shrug that I detected? 

But yes, you're right. We can't "end the world". G was a bit melodramatic when he thought that you meant "blow up the planet". But "end the world" to me means end life on the surface.. But we won't do that either. Even a meteor couldn't do that. And that's happened a few  time. "Life finds a way". But that life might not include US. The dinosaurs had a run of over 100 million years and were gone in a geological blink of an eye. We've only been here for a geological blink; not sure we'd survive the next meteor. Cockroaches, yes; humans, meh. 

Now, the "grand scheme of things" could mean a lot of different things. But the really GRAND scheme doesn't necessarily include  humans. We're just another evolutionary fluke; we don't have a warranty on our survival. 

However, dystopia aside, the discussion in front of us SHOULD be about how we keep things in good shape for our current situation. And warming us up by 2-8 degrees will have consequences, especially the higher numbers. 

In keeping with full disclosure, a significant warming might really make things better. I mean, Canada and Russia have massive land size, lots of water, Add a little warmth and agriculture might be better than ever. Of course, the US will be a desert; but hey, who's counting. Imagine millions of Americans trying to enter Canada. They'll probably have a language requirement, needing to speak English and French. And a weight limit. And a politeness test. "How do you tell a Canadian at a dance party?"

[B Keg]

Both are true 

Be nice, even when you don't want to!

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[David Fairchild]

As to " Imagine millions of Americans trying to enter Canada," there was a 2004 overly moralizing movie (in a now infinite string of such movies from Hollywood) called The Day After Tomorrow starring Dennis Quaid. It imagined an instant and catastrophic global cooling event at the hands of capitalist man and his unending arrogance, pride, and greed. 

The ending scene imagined -- wait for -- millions of Americans trying to enter --- Mexico. They were, of course, seeking to escape the sudden, life-threatening cold that had befallen the U.S. all the way to the Rio Grande. During the final seen the U.S. Vice President laments (the president is dead by now as D.C. is a frozen wasteland, obviously), "For years we operated under the belief that we could continue consuming our planets natural resources without consequence. We were wrong."

The point of all this is, of course, is America is bad -- we just don't know exactly in what direction are badness will playout, I guess...

[kan...@aol.com]

I remember that movie. Then there was one where the Yellowstone volcano erupts, also triggering a mass fuck-up for the US. 

This scenario WILL occur some day. In geologic terms, it's coming  soon. Yellowstone has erupted about every 660K years. Time's up. When we were there about 20 years ago, my mother wanted to leave immediately upon hearing this. She thought "now" meant NOW. 

Probably not in our lifetime; but who knows. It will cause serious damage all  over the US. Agriculture will suffer greatly for years. But the ash will fertilize the soil. Eventually maybe a plus. But again  people will head to Mexico. 

Will Trump's wall be one-way? 

[kan...@aol.com]

But Dave, probably unstated is the fact that the world economy/society/etc is seriously intertwined. "A butterfly flaps its wings in the Amazon.........." You get it. 

This society will not persist with massive climate upheavals. Back when Man and Mammoths were around, climate changes just promoted migration. Humans were the best at migrating and adapting. We won the evolutionary screening test. Us and the cockroaches.......and of course bacteria. Of course the earth didn't have many humans; so migration was more straightforward. And migrating humans didn't run into other humans all that much. And there weren't any walls being built. 

Today migrating to escape climate changes will be catastrophic. Look what happened when a few million people moved from/to India/Pakistan. Not pretty. Now multiply by a few powers of ten. NOT pretty. Humans will survive as a species; but boy howdy, imagine a couple of billion survivors all living "off the grid". No grid to live ON. 

Hey, I might move to Mongolia and fish for Taimen. Good protein source. Not sure about the winters there. But hey, global warming might make it temperate. And of course the taimen might be wiped out by warming water.