Olathe principal’s ‘Freedom’ T-shirt request sparks free speech debate

[Brian Kegerreis]

Olathe principal’s ‘Freedom’ T-shirt request sparks free speech debate https://share.google/5oiaBZB4JoBZ9bRyt 

I bet of they wore blm or lgbtq supporting shirts they wouldn't have been asked not to wear them and those are just as political. 

[kan...@aol.com]

I'll take that bet. 

Olathe isn't exactly a fortress of liberal thinking. Plenty of folks on both sides. I'm sure that progressive statements on clothing would meet a similar fate. 

Please note how the non-threatening Kirkasaurs respond- by doxing the principal. Definitely non-violent. 

I'd simplify the issue and tell teachers to teach and not wear such clothing. If you simply have to have artwork on your shirt, wear a rock band or country star shirt. Or have a Chiefs Friday like my hospitals do. 

[B Keg]

Have trouble reading again

The district said no threats have been made.

Be nice, even when you don't want to!

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[kan...@aol.com]

I can read fine, Brian. So can you. It's not the reading; it's the interpretation. I consider doxing a form of threat/implied violence. 

Wouldn't you feel SOMETHING if an antagonist published your address/phone number, along with some very negative commentary?

If not, well.............. . Maybe your gun collection makes you feel invulnerable. 

But normal people would feel threatened to some extent if they got doxed. 

And in this age of random violence I agree with them. 

What you really should have written in TRUMP all caps is, "No threats have been made.........yet"

But as I said, I consider doxing an implied threat. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Nothing was said about doxing either. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Some parents argued the shirts were political and urged the principal to ban them. In response, others posted the principal’s photo, address, and personal information.

Doxing or doxxing is the act of publicly providing personally identifiable information about an individual or organization, usually via the Internet and without their consent.^[1][2][

Well, Brian, there's that. 

Sock  puppets next time. 

Why do we have to waste time 'splaining these thing to you? 

[B Keg]

Fair enough so we agree doxing is bad. 

So is attacking free speech. Both need to stop. 

Be nice, even when you don't want to!

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[kan...@aol.com]

Thanks BK. I consider doxing a serious offense. Many states don't even consider it a crime. 

Glad that you agree about that. I think that doxing is violence-adjacent, an invitation for others to commit mischief or worse. 

Is it covered by 1A? Tough call. It's not libel for certain; people are publishing facts. 

I think it requires new legislation to make it illegal. 

[B Keg]

Calling someone a nazi and an existential threat to democracy is just as violence adjacent as doxing.

Be nice, even when you don't want to!

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[kan...@aol.com]

Not it isn't. Doxing  opens the door for others to pile on. It's a form of incentive. 

My right to call someone a Nazi is clearly 1A kosher. 

And I NEVER use the term existential. It's meaning is too fuzzy. Trump is a REAL threat to democracy. And absolutely Nazi-adjacent. I've made the connection repeatedly and clearly. Haven't heard any really good counter argument. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

I seem to recall a very clearly non Nazi who was constantly called a Nazi who was shot in the neck in front if his daughter recently. 

Yes calling some one a nazi is very close to calling for violence agaiant that person. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Bad example. Was Nazi adjacent for certain. Hatemongering speech at every turn. Not to say he deserved to get shot

And we STILL don't know why he was shot. So far all we DO know is that his entire family, three generations worth, were Trumpers. Maybe we should know motive before assigning blame. 

Far as I'm concerned, blame falls to the shooter. Doesn't matter what was said before. 

And we still haven't heard from YOU or any other MAGA-ite about the judge's house being torched with FAMILY inside. Had to be a firebomb or some such. The judge went for a walk and by the time she got back, the entire house was on fire. Hubby has to jump to save  his life. Bones broken in the fall. Kid is in the hospital; don't know their status. 

Oh, and she was DOXED. 

Maybe Fox non-news will tell us it was a gas leak and explosion. 

1A lets us say what we want about others, as long as it's expressed as opinion. Period. I don't make excuse or apology for comparisons that have serious merit. In fact, sugar-coating the extent of Trump and his sycophant followers total(alitarian) evil is worse than calling it out for what it is. 

I never called Kirk a Nazi when he was alive. In fact I never said a peep about him. But his rhetoric was inflammatory. And he doubled down by pretending to offer debate, always in a setting that he controlled. Not debate, just more trolling. He was nasty in his rhetoric, and smarmy to boot. No wonder Trump thought so highly of him. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Kirk was the opposite of Nazi. The fact that you cant or won't admit that is proof of your derangement. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

A key ally of President Donald Trump, Kirk espoused a variety of conservative and Trumpist stances, including opposition to abortion, gun control, DEI programs, and LGBT rights. His more controversial and divisive views included his criticism of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Martin Luther King Jr., as well as his promotion of COVID-19 misinformation, false claims of electoral fraud in 2020, and the white genocide conspiracy theory.

From Wiki. Nazi adjacent for sure. And certainly NOT the opposite of a Nazi. 

Talk about derangement. BTW, I did NOT call him a Nazi, just adjacent. Meaning he holds views that are consistent with white supremacy, hatred of minorities, etc. He qualifies. Here's the entire Wiki article. Plenty of far right gems in there for your to read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk

Feel free to quote anything that suggests that he's "the opposite of a Nazi". Lots of false statements in support of far right/Trump positions. Goebbels adjacent for sure. 

I'll stand by what I said. So far your responses are thin gruel. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

You know I'll just start with one.

Show me where he criticized the Civil Rights act...  I'll wait. Now be sure to do your due diligence and don't just copy and paste someon else and don't cherry pick a few words. Examine the entire statement in context. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Brian, I gave you the information, IN QUOTES, from Wiki. If you have better sources that suggest differently, post them. Otherwise you're just whistling past the graveyard and offering nada. 

I cut and paste because that gives you facts in bite sized, digestible chunks. 

If you want more, ,go down the Wiki site and read under "Conspiracy theories", "Covid 19" and "Social policy". Much more there to show you who you're so in love with. And if you feel that the post isn't factual, post something different. 

As of now, I stand by my characterization of Kirk. Right wing gadfly, complete with anti-Gay, white supremacy, conspiracy laden opinions. 

I'd have debated him, facts versus his bullshit. At least his clock would have looked cleaner.