Native Americans arrested in ICE raids

[kan...@aol.com]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/01/14/native-americans-detained-ice-trump-minnesota/88164562007/

I thought they were REDskins. 

Nothing worse than a colorblind out of control bully force. 

This is getting pathetic. 

Trump starts out by telling us that ICE is going after the "worst of the worst", the rapists, robbers, murderers, drug dealers, etc. Instead just arbitrary sweep of anyone that looks brown enough and "scruffy" enough. 

I guess homeless Native Americans are close enough. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Did he say he was only going after the worst of the worst or just targeting them as a priority but still going after them all?

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[GMoney]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 8:13 AM Brian Kegerreis <bkege...@gmail.com> wrote:

Did he say he was only going after the worst of the worst or just targeting them as a priority but still going after them all?

It takes a special kind of shithead to cheer the upheaval of a stranger's entire livelihood for the sole "crime" of where they were born. 

If there were any real justice, Native Americans would be sending ICE agents after you and me. Get us the fuck out of their land. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Oh poor G, the crime isnt where they were born. 

As for your second blah blah blah, thanks for making the case for immigration control. 

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[GMoney]

On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 12:04 PM Brian Kegerreis <bkege...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh poor G, the crime isnt where they were born. 

Please explain.

 

As for your second blah blah blah, thanks for making the case for immigration control. 

Shut up and get out of his country you fucking illegal immigrant.

[Brian Kegerreis]

The actual crime is known to you.

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[kan...@aol.com]

Well, Brian, if the ACTUAL crime is known to all of us (presuming the illegal entry into the US), then why does Trump repeatedly talk about arresting the "murderers, rapists, robbers, drug dealers"? He's used this line innumerable times. But the reality is that  he established QUOTAS (3000 per month) and there's no way he's going to find that many "worst of the worst" to apprehend. So instead he sends his masked goons to nab anyone who MIGHT fit the profile, basically brown and somewhat scruffy. 

As for his "actual" statement of who he intends to target, he never talks about getting them all out. It's always about the murderers, rapists, etc. And it's always been that. Your statement (actually question) just attempts to lay the groundwork for a lame-ass defense of what is actually happening. 

But NONE of it is a response to how you think about Native Americans getting caught up in Trump's web. And while you're NOT responding, can you explain how a homeless Native American gets confused with a rapist/murderer/drug dealer? 

Ironic aside, and this is NOT a joke, is that Trump doesn't think that Denmark has much of a claim to Greenland just because "they had a boat land there 500 years ago". I kid you not, this is what he said. 

But isn't that how Whites laid claim to America? 

The guy is a clueless fool. 

BK, time for your folks to pack up and go back whence you came. 

[kan...@aol.com]

As a legal nicety, Brian, and we can ask CL to chime in here, illegal entry to the US is a misdemeanor for the first offense. 

As such, it's typical that law enforcement can't arrest someone for a misdemeanor unless it's witnessed. '

So I'm not sure that any detention is genuinely legal, unless the  perp is SEEN crossing illegally. So those that have been here for any length of time are PRESUMED to have committed a misdemeanor; but that is NOT cause for arrest. 

I'll defer to better legal minds. 
I'd hate to see this proposed to Stephen Miller and Trump. I wonder what it looks like for a pea-sized brain to implode. 

[B Keg]

And the due process for illegsl entry is..... deportation. 

Be nice, even when you don't want to!

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[kan...@aol.com]

Point missed, Brian. Misdemeanors can't be prosecuted unless WITNESSED by law enforcement. So if someone is caught crossing the Rio Grande, they can be apprehended and whatever. 

But these people aren't getting caught committing the offense; unless one thinks that it's an ongoing crime. Is it a crime to BE here undocumented; or is illegal entry the crime? Just because this hasn't been carefully litigated doesn't mean that it isn't a viable issue. 

I don't know the law very well; but I do know that misdemeanors are handled differently than felonies. 

Of course with this SCOTUS, it would be moot. 

I'm not suggesting that justice would see things like this. I just think it's an issue worth looking into. 

As likely is that justice would consider BEING here a crime and proceed based on that fact. 

[B Keg]

Ok so when a officer discovers illegal aliens they can deport them. Awesome thanks for clarifying that. 

Be nice, even when you don't want to!

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[kan...@aol.com]

Did you REALLY miss the point AGAIN? 

I'm raising this as a potential legal issue. It depends on what the crime is. If it's entering illegally, then it has to be witnessed. If it's just being here, then deportation can occur. 

I'll give you an example from the world of medicine. It is illegal to import, sell, buy or possess heroin. However, it's NOT illegal to have it in your body; even though some crime had to occur to get it into a body. Not a  perfect analogy; but it makes a point. In some fashion, a person in the US shouldn't have to prove their legality just because they're brown and scruffy looking and speak Spanish. Is that probable cause? 

I don't claim that I'm right. I'm just saying it's worth a legal look-see. 

BTW, people coming BACK after deportation have committed a felony; so different kettle of fish. 

[kan...@aol.com]

• Warrantless Arrests: In most states, for a typical misdemeanor, an officer generally needs to see the crime happen ("in their presence") to make a warrantless arrest, though exceptions (like domestic violence, DUI) allow arrests without direct observation.
• Probable Cause: Even if an officer didn't see it, they can still arrest if they have probable cause (strong reason to believe a crime occurred), often from another officer's report or evidence. 
• Okay, this may settle things. Officer can arrest with probably cause without actually being there.  So someone here illegally presents good probable
•  cause that they entered illegally, confirming the crime. Too bad, upsetting the apple cart would have been fun. l
• Hasta la vista, muchachos. 

[B Keg]

Wait if they herr legally they have to possess and present legal papers saying so when asked. If the don't then they are here illegally and can be deported. After all you dont have to witness a trespassers enter your home, finding them there is proof enough. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Sock puppets just for you Brian. The last post tells you (well it tells people that can read ) that arrests CAN be made. Someone who is HERE illegally is presumed to have ENTERTED illegally. Since the ENTRY is the crime, and being here is presumptive evidence of that crime, the arrests are kosher. 

That's me concluding (to my chagrin) that ICE entitled to detain/deport people here illegally. 

That doesn't mean I condone this admin's tactics. That's a different story. 

And in the meantime, ICE has shot another person. We should all be dissatisfied with ill-trained people wielding lethal weaponry. 

And what's with investigating Good's spouse? That's just the gov't starting a smear campaign to tarnish the dead victim. Spouse was just standing there. She's on all kinds of cellphone cameras. 

And now Trump wants to increase military presence in Minneapolis to quell LEGAL protests. Guess he wants to compete with Iran's Ayatollah. Gotta keep those numbers up. 

[kan...@aol.com]

BTW, who is THEY? Is this the brown scruffy person that needs papers on them at all  times? 

Do YOU carry papers? I don't. I have a DL; but according to the wait lines at the DMV, so do a lot of brown scruffies. 

A lot of urban people don't have DL's especially in places like NYC. Guessing they don't carry passports.

But this whole "show us your papers" thing smacks of a non-US type country. 

One of my dastardly daydreams involves having a bunch of American citizens dress up like scruffy brown people, hang out around Home Depots, and get busted. Enough of them would break the system, engender tons of lawsuits, etc. Especially if some the participants were upscale types. 

Just a passing fancy, but..................... . 

I'd be a lot more comfy if Trump/ICE deported people that had actually been arrested for a crime. That way the "worst of the worst" would be more likely to be the ones deported, instead of the guys that have reroofed my house, painted the inside, do my lawn care, etc. The current ones arrive early and work until after sunset. Maybe some 'Muricans could learn a thing or two. Just sayin'. 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Look when someone is trespassing the immediate remedy is deportation.  

Legal foreigners have to have papers showing their legality. 

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[kan...@aol.com]

Point missed again. 

Do they REALLY let you carry weaponry? 

I've already said that people here illegally are subject to prosecution. 

I've said that being here is dispositive proof that they entered illegally. 

That's me concluding that ICE has the legal right to deport

I also said that I DON'T approve of  how they go about their business. 

And I also asked you who THEY are? 

Who does ICE get to stop and ask for papers? Far as I can tell (and most other people), ICE does racial profiling. If you're brown and scruffy,  you get asked for papers

Justice Kavanaugh even ruled that profiling is permitted when looking for illegals. That's a sad  violation much prior jurisprudence. And he even had walk back the obvious misunderstanding of justice. 

So, again I ask, who is they? Obviously not you, or we'd hear you whining from the rooftops. It's clear that brown and scruffy looking people get singled out. 

That's profiling; and it's at least somewhat disgusting if not flagrantly not legal. 

And as you (should) know, the roundup snares a LOT of legal residents and US CITIZENS. And the citizens probably don't carry papers, causing them to get detained for long periods of  time. Would YOU put up with detention for a few hours being mistaken for an illegal? 

[kan...@aol.com]

Legally, the only time U.S. citizens must show proof of citizenship is when they are entering the country or when they are applying for certain jobs for which it is a requirement, he said.

If a law enforcement officer approaches someone on the street and has no reason to believe that person has committed a crime, he or she has no obligation to show any identification, he said. 

This is how the law  applies to US CITIZENS. Never required to show ID or proof of residency while on the streets. But they are getting caught up in the current admin's mission. And that is a more than trivial issue, one that Trump and his minions are ill-suited to improve or even really care about. .