ICE agents kill man in Maine

[kan...@aol.com]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/13/maine-ice-shooting-death

Again apparently NOT the target of ICE removal order. 

There is a clear pattern emerging (emerged?) here. ICE agents act recklessly and out of the scope of appropriate law enforcement. Time to rein them in. Time to investigate and prosecute those involved. 

I'd wager that ICE has killed more people than all the illegal immigrants have killed over the last few months. So who's the real danger to US citizens here? 

[Brian Kegerreis]

Act recklessly?

Can we at least wait for the after action report before we make that claim?

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[kan...@aol.com]

Brian, my fervent wish is that you READ. I said, "time to investigate". I'd say that that suggests no conclusion on my part. 

But in the meantime, when you were in law enforcement, how did firing at a fleeing auto fit into your training? 

Note that since this happened, ICE agents have been instructed to NOT shoot at fleeing autos. I wonder why that is. Perhaps some higher-ups concluded that agents are acting poorly. Perhaps they're realizing that it can result in the WRONG people getting injured/killed. You did (?) note that the last two killings apparently involved the wrong suspects. Wouldn't your law enforcement agency have done something if people were getting killed and turned out to be the WRONG suspects? 

[B Keg]

Your words, I read quite literally say "There is a clear pattern emerging (emerged?) here. ICE agents act recklessly and out of the scope of appropriate law enforcement."

If someone wrote There is a clear pattern emerging (emerged?) here. Doctors act recklessly and out of the scope of appropriate medical care. What would you think the writer meant? 

Now these, or this particular Ice agent(s) may indeed have acted beyond the scope of their duty and training we will see. But it hardly is a condemnation of all ICE agents which would be a common interpretation of your words.

You might want to also consider a number of other people who have acted recklessly like the ICE protestors, and the media who have terrorized the nation by sensationalizing the few mistakes ICE agents have made making it look like all ICE agents are out there targeting latinos en masse. Perhaps this narrative has caused people to react to ICE presence or interactions in an irrational manner adding to the tension and risk for all involved. Maybe leftists who cheered Obama and Tom Holman for deporting millions of illegals who now vilify Trump and Holman for doing the exact same thing need to look in the mirror and take some responsibility for the climate where these things have happened. There is no clear pattern of bad ICE agent behavior in evidence. There is only the leftist irrational narrative based on hatred of Trump complaining about a job done by ICE they cheered for when Obama was President.

Let me tell you about a manufacturer in Kentucky employing 350 people. Turns out half, yes HALF of them were here illegally and were not legally allowed to be employed in the United States. Maybe they took jobs no one wanted, or maybe they were willing to work for less and took jobs no one else wanted at those low wages. Either way their presence has driven down wages for American jobs and to me this is a bad thing. As far as I'm concerned ICE is doing its job and if the occasional bad thing happens it should be investigated and appropriate measures taken to punish and correct them. Such as reminding agents not to fire at fleeing cars and prosecuting the one that did. (assuming there is one)

Be nice, even when you don't want to!

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[kan...@aol.com]

Yes, blaming the media is typical MAGA shifting responsibility. 

So let's prevent them from writing about this at all. Problem solved. 

"Democracy dies in the dark". 

While we're completing the pattern, think about the deaths that have occurred with detainees. Is THAT media sensationalizing? Or is just more incompetent people doing jobs they weren't trained to do.

[kan...@aol.com]

And while we're on the subject, if the scenario is what YOU say, why is ICE ending traffic stops? Maybe they know that they've fucked up too many times. 

And while we're at it, your mention of Obama and doctors and various rallies is typical what-about-ism. Also another common MAGA defense. 

And yes, plenty of docs deserve scrutiny.. And I even recollect that you yourself have mentioned that scrutiny. Ready to talk about truckers? 

Instead, stay on topic. ICE agents are clearly doing bad police work. ICE facilities are doing bad care for detainees. 

But this is to be expected from an admin that can't even paint the bottom of a pool. 

As for Obama, why didn't we hear about people being shot during arrests? Certainly Fox News or OAN would have said something. Same with detainees dying and getting abused in various fashions. Maybe it just didn't happen that much. 

Criticism of Trump is 100% deserved. The derangement attached to his name is from people who continue to drink the Kool-aid and support and apologize for his actions. I count you among them. You employ all of the MAGA techniques for blame shifting, gaslighting, ad hominem attacks, etc. 

[B Keg]

Are you interested in having a conversation?

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[kan...@aol.com]

That's what I've been doing. Stating FACTS, including ICE response to their own self-imposed screw ups. 

People have been shot, beaten, injured killed. ICE is seeing this as their responsibility. In response they canned Krisi Noem. Now they're changing their tactics. That's a good thing. Hope it continues. 

Also hope they stop violating the law that allows inspection of ICE facilities. These events have created confrontations, again because ICE is breaking the law. The only possible reason is coverup. Let's see if that improves too.