Markup Google Docs

[Chris Franzen]

Hello!

I'm looking for a tool that will allow my english teachers to markup google docs as if they were grading a printed paper with their own pen.  Does anyone know of an easy way to do this?

Thanks,

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Chris Franzen

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Technology Coordinator | Nokomis School District

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[Matthew Peskay]

Why not use comments?  

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[Ann Witherspoon]

Chris, I agree with Matthew. They can highlight specifically what they
want to comment on.

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[Chris Franzen]

Comments doesn't allow the teacher to quickly markup a paper for grammatical errors like the old fashioned pen and paper method.  As it was my 1st suggestion and the teacher is aware of its ability.

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[Tom Donovan]

If they really want to keep marking by hand, suggest they buy themselves an iPad and stylus and grab GoodReader.  After connecting GoodReader to their Google Drive, they can download Google docs as PDFs, annotate them in the traditional and email them back to the students.

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On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Ann Witherspoon <Ann_Wit...@midlothian-isd.net> wrote:

[Robert Schuetz]

Hello All & Tom,

With respects to marking docs on an iPad...

GoodReader is certainly a nice option.  ($4.99 retail / $2.99 VPP)

Notability is another good option ($.99) syncs with Google Drive.

PaperPort Notes (free) also syncs with G-Drive, but the app isn't quite as nice.

We use Schoology as our LMS.  Document workflow can be handled back and forth, also syncs with Google Drive, all-be-it a bit slow at times.

Hope this keeps the thoughts and discussion moving along.

Bob


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[Matthew A. Peskay]

IMHO - pens are for paper.  In the digital age (I think we are in it), editing and commenting tools are used inline with docs.  Whether it's comment-tracking in Word, or comments in GDocs, those are the tools students (and teachers!) need to be comfortable with.  Those are the tools they will use in college and in life.  

That being said, you could:

1) copy all text from the doc

2) create a new Google Drawing

3) insert new text box

4) paste text into text box

5) use drawing tools to annotate/comment over the text

?

All my best,

Matthew

[Robert Schuetz]

So obvious and simple, why didn't I take it there?!?

I agree with what you are saying...marking old docs isn't transformative, nor is it something that I do with my work-related technology.  Thanks Matt.

Robert Schuetz

www.archers-bow.com

[Bruce Schwartz]

Though some faculty members might not like providing digital comments, we have found that many of our faculty members appreciate not having to cart home papers and notebooks.  That said, I do find that some still print the docs, but provide digital comments…they say that it is difficult for them to read off a display.  Furthermore, our students like being able to read what their teachers have to write.  Many have confessed that they cannot read their teachers' writing.  

Bruce Schwartz

The Key School

Annapolis, MD 21401

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[Chris Franzen]

Matthew - I agree with your line of thinking, but sometimes we just try to do what is asked of ourselves.  I do like the idea of using drawing to give the teacher the ability to annotate the text and I will share that with my teachers.   

Still an app that would integrate into google docs would still be a "perfect" solution.

Thanks!

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[Nadine Norris]

Great discussion here....

Our district is moving to a Writer's Workshop model for writing instruction. We're trying to help teachers understand that they do not have to "proofread" and call out every punctuation and misspelling in everything our students write. It's a bit of a paradigm shift for instruction and not really a technology issue. 

For teachers I know who have embraced Google Docs, comments are awesome. Also, our teachers who use Edmodo, they love the opportunity to give students feedback from there.

Nadine Norris

Instructional technology coordinator

School District 15

[Janowiak, Kirk]

As a teacher, I prefer to make in-line comments rather than to highlight and use the separated commenting features. 

I place my cursor, hit the button for the text color I plan to use, then place my comments in [brackets] to make them even more obvious. 

Extended dialogue with a student (while they are still working in the document, still researching and constructing, or are editing a draft, for insatnce) takes place in the comment threads. That's where I find the comments feature most useful. It saves the conversations as threads.

In-line commenting is simply NOT the same as quickly "circling" a punctuation mark or placing a big fat arrow at a "biggie" of an error, but the serious advantages of having the comment threads and the ability to interact in real-time or near real-time as a student works makes it more desirable to me than the old way.

My beef with digital has to do  the fact that I can quickly and easily flip through a stack of papers and get an idea where a class is headed (in quality, quantity, or perhaps in missing a point I thought I made clear), but I must preview each digital document essentially one at a time. Digital papers in a regular wordprocessor on my Mac open in a preview mode and I can hit a class at a time and get them all to pop up. On the PCs we a re relegated to at school and with google, I cannot do this so easily. (Any tips out there?)

Kirk A. Janowiak
Delphi Community High School
301 Armory Road
Delphi, IN 46923
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[Hornberger, Karen]

With that in mind – there are programs that the writing can be sent through which will edit for the teacher (in terms of grammar) and the teacher can focus on other aspects of the writing.  Turnitin.com offers our school that feature.

 

 

Karen Hornberger

Library Media Specialist

Palisades High School

35 Church Hill Road

Kintnersville, PA 18930

610-847-5131 ext 2021

[Curts, Eric]

Lots of really good comments from everyone!  As for direct markup in Google Docs, I can see this being a possibility in the future, but not until Google updates how Docs handles images.  Most likely if people want to mimic a natural style of markup, you would in effect be inserting an image into the Doc.  Plus people will want to be able to insert their markups anywhere on the Doc, such as on top of existing text.  Well, currently Google Docs only allows images to be in-line or have text wrapping around the images.  There is no option for images to be on top of other items or to change the ordering of images (both of which you can already do in Google Presentations).

Such advanced image control is really needed in Google Docs for many reasons anyway.  Hopefully that is on the road map to get added someday, and then that will open up options for more traditional markups in Docs.

Eric

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[Matthew A. Peskay]

You can use 'Grid View' in Google Docs to scan docs en-masse:  http://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=2375112

All my best,

Matthew

[Bruce Schwartz]

Matthew,

You beat me to it! :-)  I use Grid View whenever needing to sort through many docs.

Bruce Schwartz

MS & US Academic Technology Integrator

7th & 8th Grade Technology Teacher

Robotics Club  

The Key School

Annapolis, MD 21403

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[Melinda Waffle]

An added thought - we encourage teachers to use in-line commenting or comments for bigger picture content pieces (depth of understanding, conflicting views, etc), but highlighting for the grammar/spelling pieces. By simply highlight the mistakes without other markings, students have to think about why what they have is wrong in correcting it, reinforcing it for the future rather than just making a quick change because the teacher marked it.

This has been a great thread - thanks for sharing the app ideas and the use of the "grid view" (which I'm now exploring).

Melinda Waffle

Educational Technology Consultant

Calhoun Intermediate School District

Marshall, MI
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[HEBDave]

Speed tip for Kirk and others: if you're looking at a list of files in Google Drive, you can middle-click on each file in the list (click the scroll-wheel like a button) to open each in a new tab. I find it much easier to click through a series of already-opened tabs than to repeatedly go back to a list of links.

On Monday, November 19, 2012 12:21:50 PM UTC-6, Kirk Janowiak wrote:

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My beef with digital has to do  the fact that I can quickly and easily flip through a stack of papers and get an idea where a class is headed (in quality, quantity, or perhaps in missing a point I thought I made clear), but I must preview each digital document essentially one at a time. Digital papers in a regular wordprocessor on my Mac open in a preview mode and I can hit a class at a time and get them all to pop up. On the PCs we a re relegated to at school and with google, I cannot do this so easily. (Any tips out there?)

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[Ryan Collins]

I'm going to second GoodReader. It's probably one of the most straightforward ways of doing this. 

Another workflow option on the cheap is Adobe Reader. Students use File -> Email as attachment and send a PDF to the teacher. The teacher then can mark up the document in Adobe Reader (Or GoodReader, if they already have it. :-) and email it back. With a few filters, the teacher could automatically funnel the assignments into their respective folders in GMail.

[Janowiak, Kirk]

I'll "third" GoodReader, although I dio not use it for marking up student papers. I find the inline commenting and comment threading to be faster than using a stylus (or finger) on my iPad to mark papers. Once I get the documents arranged by class (thanks to tips I learned here!), I get into a kind of click, click, read-mark-score, click, click, drag to the "Done" folder and I am into a groove.

I use GoodReader for all kinds of other PDF wrangling, but not to score papers. I use it to view/read straight PDFs, to read books from the National Academies Press, to aid in marking up drafts for documents I am writing and that need a careful look at layout, for capturing various screen prints (as PDFs) from our bogus gradebook program (STI), for putting signatures on forms that come past my desk from the admin, and so on. It is one of my "Gotta Have" apps installed on all iOS devices over which I have any semblance of authority or control.

Thanks for the tips, folks!

Kirk

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[carolteach4]

As a former English teacher who then became an instructional technology integrator, I totally agree with Melinda. When I was an English teacher, eons ago, I spent hours marking physical papers, really doing the correcting FOR the kids, and when I got the revisions,the rewrites often had the same errors. I began to wonder if the students even looked at the corrections.  I was doing more work that the students.

With proper prompting in the comments and highlighting of grammatical and spelling errors that need to be addressed, it puts the onus back on the students and hopefully becomes more of a learning experience than merely transcribing what the teacher has offered for corrections. In addition, with multiple revisions, and more of a dialogue, hopefully students will be invested in working to improve their writing skills overall.

[Beverly Elam]

Another idea I learned from TCEA conference is to pull up the student .pdf file on teacher screen and then do a screencast so the teacher can explain more in detail.  That way, the student can listen to it several times and make changes marked with comments, etc.

Great ideas guys.  Thanks for sharing.

Bev Elam

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Fayetteville ISD
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[Hornberger, Karen]

Aly Tapp blogged a lot about this topic.  Here is one post: http://alytapp.com/2011/10/27/assessment-feedback-via-screencast-examples/

I tried it and liked it, but it is really time consuming.  It is an excellent idea for teachers of cyber courses to provide feedback to their students.

 

 

Karen Hornberger

Library Media Specialist

Palisades High School

35 Church Hill Road

Kintnersville, PA 18930

610-847-5131 ext 2021

 

 

 

[Chris Franzen]

Yes, thank you to everyone for the replies.  This has been a great conversation between the 2 groups.  Although I must agree with Eric Curts that Google should work toward making the markup possible in Google Docs.  

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Technology Coordinator | Nokomis School District

511 Oberle St. | Nokomis, IL  62075

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