More scientific evidence to falsify the belief of "millions of years"
gabriel
supposedly up to 400 million years old. More falsification of the
ages claimed by evolutionists.
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/122659280/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
http://www.icr.org/article/5135/
Intact DNA Discovered in Ancient Salt Deposits
by Brian Thomas, M.S. *
Researchers recently analyzed bacterial DNA that was found in
small pockets within various salt deposits. The focus of their
research was to compare differences in DNA sequences taken from
different geological ages. However, the very fact that DNA�with
its short half-life�was found at all comes as a surprise to those
who were thoroughly convinced of the material�s great ages.
The team of scientists, led by Jong Soo Park of Dalhousie
University in Canada, published their findings in the journal
Geobiology.1 In order for the DNA they examined to still be
present in the salt deposits after millions of years of
evolutionary time, it must have been maintained within living
bacterial bodies�which have actually been extracted from these
salts in earlier studies.2 This is because laboratory studies of
DNA decay rates have repeatedly shown that DNA segments of the
length that Park and his colleagues found should not have lasted
more than 10,000 years, even when dried out. That suggests the
bacteria must have been actively living for eons, in order to
maintain the DNA�s integrity.
This raises another question that is equally difficult to
reconcile with evolutionary time. The bacteria are known to have
been in isolated pockets within solid salt deposits. There are no
cracks leading to or from these pockets, so the salt-loving
species of bacteria must have come from a tiny population that
was trapped there since the vast salt deposit was formed. That�s
what makes its DNA valuable to the investigators, since the
specimens have been isolated from outside influences. But living
bacteria, like any other living thing, produce metabolic waste
that becomes toxic. Why did they not poison themselves to death
in mere thousands of years?
Despite lingering questions like these, Melanie Mormile of
Missouri University of Science and Technology told Discovery
News: �There is better and better evidence that these organisms
can somehow survive for these amazing amounts of time.�3 Both
common sense and science, though, argue that they could not have
survived. Therefore, a more reasonable conclusion from this data
would be that there is better and better evidence that these
�amazing amounts of time� are actually too amazing to be true.
This miniscule amount of bacterial DNA seems to send a massive
message about the young age of the salt deposits in which they
were found. And what better mechanism to explain the formation of
such huge salt deposits containing still-fresh bacteria
populations than a recent, worldwide, watery cataclysm?4
References
1.Park, J. S. et al. 2009. Haloarchaeal diversity in 23, 121, and
419 MYA salts. Geobiology. 7 (5): 515-523.
2.Vreeland, R. H., W. D. Rosenzweig, and D. W. Powers. 2000.
Isolation of a 250 million-year old halobacterium from a primary
salt crystal. Nature. 407 (6806): 897-900.
3.Reilly, M. World�s Oldest Known DNA Discovered. Discovery News.
Posted on discovery.com December 17, 2009, accessed December 17,
2009.
4.Austin, S. A. 1984. Ten Misconceptions about the Geologic
Column. Acts & Facts. 13 (11).
Wild Bill
"gabriel" <gabriel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fq2kj5hcabdk0r3db...@4ax.com...
> DNA, that can only last about 10,000 years, found in salt
> supposedly up to 400 million years old. More falsification of the
> ages claimed by evolutionists.
>
> http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/122659280/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
>
> http://www.icr.org/article/5135/
>
> Intact DNA Discovered in Ancient Salt Deposits
> by Brian Thomas, M.S. *
> Researchers recently analyzed bacterial DNA that was found in
> small pockets within various salt deposits. The focus of their
> research was to compare differences in DNA sequences taken from
> its short half-life-was found at all comes as a surprise to those
> who were thoroughly convinced of the material's great ages.
>
> The team of scientists, led by Jong Soo Park of Dalhousie
> University in Canada, published their findings in the journal
> Geobiology.1 In order for the DNA they examined to still be
> present in the salt deposits after millions of years of
> evolutionary time, it must have been maintained within living
Still lying and distorting data for your Jeebus, I see. Gabriel, doesn't
your religion say you'll roast in hell for lying?
Bob LeChevalier
>DNA, that can only last about 10,000 years,
says who?
>http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/122659280/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
a URL that does not appear to work
>Intact DNA Discovered in Ancient Salt Deposits
>by Brian Thomas, M.S. *
* Master of Stupidity
>Researchers recently analyzed bacterial DNA that was found in
>small pockets within various salt deposits. The focus of their
>research was to compare differences in DNA sequences taken from
>different geological ages. However, the very fact that DNA�with
>its short half-life
"half-life" is a term applied to radioactive substances. DNA has no
half-life, since it is not radioactive.
>The team of scientists, led by Jong Soo Park of Dalhousie
>University in Canada, published their findings in the journal
>Geobiology.1
Those findings are perhaps of interest. Brian Thomas's opinions are
not.
>In order for the DNA they examined to still be
>present in the salt deposits after millions of years of
>evolutionary time, it must have been maintained within living
>bacterial bodies�which have actually been extracted from these
>salts in earlier studies.2 This is because laboratory studies of
>DNA decay rates have repeatedly shown that DNA segments of the
>length that Park and his colleagues found should not have lasted
>more than 10,000 years, even when dried out.
"DNA decay rates" apply to dead things. Since the claim is that the
bacteria are living, the term is inapplicable.
>That suggests the bacteria must have been actively living for eons,
Actually, it could be living quite passively.
>But living
>bacteria, like any other living thing, produce metabolic waste
>that becomes toxic.
Your evidence is lacking.
>Despite lingering questions like these
asked by clueless idiots like this.
>Melanie Mormile of
>Missouri University of Science and Technology told Discovery
>News: �There is better and better evidence that these organisms
>can somehow survive for these amazing amounts of time.�3
Notice that there are no quotes from actual journal articles.
>Both common sense and science, though, argue that they could not have
>survived.
Science does not argue any such thing.
Common sense is commonly wrong.
>Therefore, a more reasonable conclusion from this data
>would be that there is better and better evidence that these
>�amazing amounts of time� are actually too amazing to be true.
which may be why Ms Mormile talked about "evidence".
>This miniscule amount of bacterial DNA seems to send a massive
>message about the young age of the salt deposits in which they
>were found.
It does no such thing.
lojbab
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loj...@lojban.org Lojban language www.lojban.org
(..Matt B...
<loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
>gabriel <gabriel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>DNA, that can only last about 10,000 years,
>
>says who?
>
>>http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/122659280/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
>
>a URL that does not appear to work
Mine browser claims it wants to place a cookie on my system. WHY It
lets normal cookies work without problem.
How old does Gabriel say the earth is must have missed it?
Matt
Jude
> supposedly up to 400 million years old. More falsification of the
> ages claimed by evolutionists.
>
> http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/122659280/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
>
> http://www.icr.org/article/5135/
>
> Intact DNA Discovered in Ancient Salt Deposits
> by Brian Thomas, M.S. *
> Researchers recently analyzed bacterial DNA that was found in
> small pockets within various salt deposits. The focus of their
> research was to compare differences in DNA sequences taken from
> its short half-life-was found at all comes as a surprise to those
> who were thoroughly convinced of the material's great ages.
>
> The team of scientists, led by Jong Soo Park of Dalhousie
> University in Canada, published their findings in the journal
> Geobiology.1 In order for the DNA they examined to still be
> present in the salt deposits after millions of years of
> evolutionary time, it must have been maintained within living
You don't even understand what you posted! THAT is obvious. Here is a
better reference:
http://news.discovery.com/earth/oldest-dna-bacteria-discovered.html
gabriel
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/122659280/abstract
works out better. I didn't catch when I clicked the link on the
original ICR page that it got redirected and then got a cookie
error.
And notice on the page you referenced:
"It's a bold claim, but evidence suggests the creatures may be
nature's Rip Van Winkles, hunkering inside salt deposits for eons
until natural forces -- or in this case, humans -- bring them
back to the surface."
Bold to say the least! More like say whatever they wish and pass
it off as scientific fact: that these individual creatures were
like the fictional story rip van winkle and merely slept through
hundreds of millions of years like rip van winkle did, only to
wake up and find we're not in Kansas anymore, as if that explains
the impossible event that such creatures could live hundreds of
MILLIONS of years without dying.
"There is better and better evidence that these organisms can
somehow survive for these amazing amounts of time,"
That's the problem, it's not evidence of any such thing. Only
their belief that any creature lived that long and never died,
and that belief passed off as scientific, let alone fact.
And they pass off such storytelling as science? More evidence of
how our schools need to get back to actual science: that which is
observable and able to be shown in test cases actually happening
- not storytelling passed off as scientific, let alone fact.
Jude
What I know to be true is that creationists have taken the times when there
was a rush to judgment and blow that up to outrageous proportions.
> "There is better and better evidence that these organisms can
> somehow survive for these amazing amounts of time,"
>
> That's the problem, it's not evidence of any such thing. Only
> their belief that any creature lived that long and never died,
> and that belief passed off as scientific, let alone fact.
YOU know better than men and women who have studied 12/20 or more years on a
complex subject and DO NOT have a religious bias?
>
> And they pass off such storytelling as science? More evidence of
> how our schools need to get back to actual science: that which is
> observable and able to be shown in test cases actually happening
> - not storytelling passed off as scientific, let alone fact.
No, it's you creationist that put forth bogus science. I've watched videos
on how creationists try to prove that the earth is only 6,000 years old and
that there was a world wide flood using nonsense and pseudo science.
dolf
below demonstrates how 6,000 years can be understood as reprise of the
Genesis chronological elements commencing the 4th day.
You are correct on the world wide flood using nonsense and pseudo science.
On 31/12/09 10:03 AM, Jude wrote:
>
> No, it's you creationist that put forth bogus science. I've watched videos
> on how creationists try to prove that the earth is only 6,000 years old and
> that there was a world wide flood using nonsense and pseudo science.
>
>
The Sabbath as a rule associated with the Priestly service divisions of
24 x 7 x 13 = 2184 days as 6D (6 x 364 days) 'oth cycle is determined by
computation from the Wednesday of the March Equinox following the elapse
of 6 Jubilees as 294 x 364 days.
Nevertheless, a variation of the 22/7 {= 3.1428571...} equation as
rational PI computation and the 364 day cycle from the DATE(1996,3,20) +
(5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday DATE(2001,9,12) gives the Equinox of
Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) as commencing the Sabbath year and the reprise
associated to the following schema as a transcendent negation of the
Gregorian cycle of #400 years x 365.2425 as the basis for replacement
theology, which is as 146097 days evenly divisible by seven:
#0 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 4000 BCE
#400 MOD 22 = 17 [#PE / #80]
#800 MOD 22 = 12 [#LAMED / #30]
#1200 MOD 22 = 7 [#ZAYIN / #7]
#1600 MOD 22 = 2 [#BETH / #2]
#2000 MOD 22 = 19 [#QOPH / #100]
#2400 MOD 22 = 14 [#NUN / #50]
#2800 MOD 22 = 9 [#TETH / #9]
#3200 MOD 22 = 4 [#DALETH / #4]
#3600 MOD 22 = 21 [#SHIN / #300]
#4000 MOD 22 = 16 [#'AYIN / #70] = #0 CE as HETEROS (Zeus and Hera
marriage based Pythagorean religious Symbolic Number Mysticism [Acts
14:12-18]) autonomic transformative prototype and symbolic planetary
associator to the series #15 - Saturn, #34 - Jupiter, #65 - Mars, #111 -
Sun, #175 - Venus, #260 - Mercury, #369 - Luna ... #2000 Y2K
#4400 MOD 22 = 11 [#KAF / #20] = #400 CE
#4800 MOD 22 = 6 [#VAV / #6] = #800 CE
#5200 MOD 22 = 1 [#ALEPH / #1] = #1200 CE
#5600 MOD 22 = 18 [#TSADE / #90] = #1600 CE
#6000 MOD 22 = 13 [#MEM / #40] = #2000 Y2K / Equinox of DATE(1996,3,20)
/ @ (21 March = 1 Nisan) + (5 * 364) + 182 days = Wednesday
DATE(2001,9,12) with Equinox of Saturday DATE(2001,9,23) commencing the
Sabbath year of 'oth cycle has #369 with Septet #41 centric on 13-17
September 2001 / @ 18 September = 1 Tishri 5762.
#1 = [the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of
Universal Law}, which contains the law of that will:
7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle of the Temple priestly service
divisions = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to the hypothetical 'constant
sequence of sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day intercalation = 1092 days
x 2 = 2184 days] +
#2 = [the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of
Humanity - HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in
accordance with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the
law:
x 49 = 6J or 294 x 364 days or 293 x 365.2423 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and] +
#3 = [the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of
Autonomy}, which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as
right in the case at hand: ... 6,000 tropical years as Telos ('achariyth
as 122J3W1D) = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c� [9(9�+1)/2]:
has #369 with Septet #41 {ie. #81 - #27 - #9 - #3 - #1} centric on {ie.
20 March 1996 + (5*364) + 182 = 12 Sept 2001 as 1st day of 7th solar
month = #0 - Zero point} 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri
5762. ref: "On [Sunday 16 September 2001 as] the 1st day of the [21st
priestly] course of Jachin {he that strengthens and makes steadfast} on
the 29th day of lunar month, on the 5th day of the 7th solar month."
[4Q321]] +
#4 = 'OTH Chronological Elements = #10 as {Totality of Nature = Formula
of Progression of individual phenomena: #1 = {0: 1} + #2 = {0: -1, 1: 1}
+ #3 = {0: 0, 1: 1} + #4 = {0: 1, 1: 1} = #10 = {0: 1, 1: 0, 2: 1}}
vCube Balanced Ternary System distribution: #1 = {0: 1}; #41 = {0: -1,
1: -1, 2: -1, 3: -1, 4: 1}; #81 = (0: 0, 1: 0, 2:0, 3:0, 4:1}
Telos ('achariyth as 122J3W1D or 6,000 tropical years) = Arch (re'shiyth
as 3W1D) + c� [9(9�+1)/2]
"For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because,
although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God, nor were they
thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts
were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the
glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man
(image of male and female)--and birds and four-footed beasts and
creeping things." [Deuteronomy 4:15-19; Romans 1:20]
"We are telling you the good news (ie. GOSPEL as compliant with the
writings of Moses [John 5:46-47; Acts 15:21] and the prophets [Daniel
9:11-13]) to turn from these worthless things (HETEROS -- Zeus and Hera
marriage based Pythagorean religious symbolic number mysticism and
asceticism [Matthew 19:12]) to the living God, who made heaven and
earth, the sea, and everything in them. In past generations he allowed
all the nations to go their own ways, yet he has not left himself
without a witness by doing good, by giving you rain from heaven and
fruitful seasons, and by filling you with food and joyful hearts. Even
by saying this it was all they could do to keep the crowds from offering
sacrifices to them." [Acts 14:12-18]
#6400 MOD 22 = 8 [#CHET / #8]
#6800 MOD 22 = 3 [#GIMEL / #3]
#7200 MOD 22 = 20 [#RESH / #200]
#7600 MOD 22 = 15 [#SAMEK / #60]
#8000 MOD 22 = 10 [#YOD / #10]
#8400 MOD 22 = 5 [#HE / #5]
#8800 MOD 22 = 22 [#TAU / #400] as 8800 CE