Married archbishop excommunicated
Nana
African prelate known for exorcisms, mass healing ceremonies and
temporarily breaking with the church to marry a Korean acupuncturist,
was excommunicated Tuesday by the Vatican.
Pope Benedict XVI signed off on the most serious punishment the Roman
Catholic Church can mete out, apparently the final chapter in Milingo's
bizarre, tumultuous story spanning more than two decades.
The rare edict came after Milingo presided over the "installation" in
Washington, D.C., of four married men as bishops earlier this week. The
ceremony was intended to dramatize Milingo's campaign to end celibacy
rules for Catholic priests. Neither the archdiocese of Washington nor
the Vatican recognized as bishops the men who Milingo held a ceremony
to consecrate.
That act was the final straw for Vatican officials who have scolded,
cajoled and counseled Milingo over the years. On Tuesday, the Vatican
announced the excommunication, the first of a senior prelate in nearly
20 years, and asked for prayer in "these moments of ecclesiastical
suffering."
By advocating an end to mandatory celibacy for priests and with his
long history of defiance, Milingo was "spreading division and confusion
among the faithful," the Vatican said, adding that the bishop was
guilty of "irregularity and of progressively open rupture of communion
with the church."
Milingo, 76, can restore himself to good standing with the church if he
repents and disavows his actions.
Aik
place. I guess this is like politics now.
Jonny
Aik
priests are supposed to follow Jesus's life (i.e. no wife no kids). But
nowdays with all the world's temptations and challenges, few of them
are able to follow their church's laws.
Jonny
So in effect are you saying they are weak?
Aik
it used to be. Thus, it is easier now to have weak/wrong members in a
team.
Jonny
should be devoted to God.
By the way, what religion does God belong to?
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Aik
me, I view some of these religions as different roads that are all
going to the same destination (God).
Observer
Jonny wrote:
> I think devotion to religion can be a problem. I tend to think people
So, its the church that made the law forbidding priests from getting
married, having children and not Jesus's teachings? Please enlighten!
>
Jonny
specifically says priests can not marry, do you?
Mariam
God allows U turn too:-); "And who the cap fit, let them wear it"!
Nana
>"IN GOD WE TRUST, EVERYBODY ELSE BRINGS DATA"!!
> God allows U turn too:-); "And who the cap fit, let them wear it"!
Huh??
Mariam
what's wrong Nana?
Aik
no kids, no wives). Every church/organizations have their own rules and
regulations. Thus, that is what RC church decided to do (staying on the
same tradition). You can argue that is not what is said on the bible,
but you can't deny that Jesus and his disciples never got married and
never had any kids. Of course, as usually, there are some rumors such
as Jesus had a woman (I think Maria Magdalena). But no one can prove
that either.
Aik
religions...lol
Mariam
Aik, you have expanded my quotes:-)! Thanks!!! and the beautiful thing
is it's liberal to follow whatever religion you want so if you don't
agree with one, or you don't agree with God's existence by whatever
reason, you can make a U turn or keep revolving around the full cycle
until you are dizzy.
Observer
Aik wrote:
> Mariam, it sounds like u r authorizing (or approving) all kind of
> religions...lol
I thought you mentioned earlier that all religions are a path towards
GOD and there is no way to tell which religion GOD belongs to...?
Mkakati
religion!
Does anyone disagree or agree?
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nukta77
What is written in the Holy Bible, (KJV), the disciple
Peter/Cephas/Stone whom Jesus promised to build the Church, and the 1st
Pope according to RC traditions, had a wife. I read this from The
Gospel according to St. Mark, Chapter 1 Verse 30, it says "But Simon's
wife's mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her".
(Mark 1:30)
So, Peter had a wife whose mother was healed by the Lord from a
terrible fever.
Unless they want to make another Bible and remove that line.
Nevertheless, everyone let everyone do according the teachings of St.
Paul in the First letter to Corinthians chapter 7 verses 8 - 9. (1Cor.
7: 8-9)
Lastly, I think Bishops are allowed to marry, and so should the other
Church leaders. I read this from the first letter of St. Paul to
Timothy, chapter 3 verses 1 - 6. (1Tim. 3: 1-6)
I confess that I do not know the traditions of the RC so I can not
speak for them and how they come to an agreement that their priests
shouldn't marry. They have (a) reasons for that and their followers
agree with it, well, I know some don't.
Here is an e-Bible (a KJV) for your easy ref:
(English) http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html
(kiSwahili Agano Jipya tu) http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/ OR
http://www.nathan.co.za/bibliswa.asp
Ciao for now.
Nana
or rhetorical?
Mkakati, on what do you base your satement that GOD belongs to no
religion?
Mariam
not be able to open the bible and read the verse, it may save souls of
some of us:-)
1Cor. 7: 8-9 - "Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is
good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control
themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn
with passion."
I agree with Nukta77 that Peter had a wife. Nevertheless, I also agree
with Aik when he/she says every religion has its rules and regulations,
so if one doesn't agree with Dogma and Traditions of the Catholic
Church why forcing yourself into it. There are so many other
options/religions which perfectly fit one right in, and if you actually
learn them, none is so perfect; they all have their hypocrisy in them.
We learn some instances where God required whoever He calls to be
totally "clean", my Muslim friends will relate quickly and better
on the "cleanness" I am talking about now they are in the Holy
Month of Ramadan! So, Roman Catholic priests are supposed to be clean
because they are constantly in the service of the Lord and the holy
Eucharist, it's a special call. When you become a Roman Catholic
priest you make a VOW of Celibacy, just like how couple makes VOWS when
they get married, and we know of married men/women just like catholic
priests who goes out of their vows, are you going to change vows in the
Sanctity of Marriage to accommodate the few? Again if the cap doesn't
fit you don't wear it.
Nukta77, I don't think there is a need to remove any line in the
bible to accommodate anyone as you have vehemently joked about, I
guess; however, will any of these scriptures below be leads for Roman
Catholics towards reasons for celibacy?
1 Samuel 21:4 But the priest answered David, "I don't have any ordinary
bread on hand; however, there is some consecrated bread here-provided
the men have kept themselves from women."
1Co 7:32 But I would have you to be without solicitude. He that is
without a wife is solicitous for the things that belong to the Lord:
how he may please God.
1Co 7:33 But he that is with a wife is solicitous for the things of
the world: how he may please his wife. And he is divided.
1Co 7:34 And the unmarried woman and the virgin thinketh on the things
of the Lord: that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she
that is married thinketh on the things of the world: how she may please
her husband.
1Co 7:35 And this I speak for your profit, not to cast a snare upon
you, but for that which is decent and which may give you power to
attend upon the Lord, without impediment.
Mat 19:12 For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mothers
womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are
eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He
that can take, let him take it.
Mat 19:29 And every one that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters,
or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands for my name's
sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall possess life everlasting.
Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother
and wife and children and brethren and sisters, yea and his own life
also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not carry his cross and come after me
cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:28 For which of you, having a mind to build a tower, doth not
first sit down and reckon the charges that are necessary, whether he
have wherewithal to finish it:
Luk 14:29 Lest, after he hath laid the foundation and is not able to
finish it, all that see it begin to mock him,
Luk 14:30 Saying: This man began to build and was not able to finish.
Luk 14:31 Or, what king, about to go to make war against another king,
doth not first sit down and think whether he be able, with ten
thousand, to meet him that, with twenty thousand, cometh against him?
Luk 14:32 Or else, while the other is yet afar off, sending an
embassy, he desireth conditions of peace.
Luk 14:33 So likewise every one of you that doth not renounce all that
he possesseth cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:34 Salt is good. But if the salt shall lose its savour,
wherewith shall it be seasoned?
Luk 14:35 It is neither profitable for the land nor for the dunghill:
but shall be cast out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Aik
that are all
going to the same destination (God). " And I don't believe in this
world, all religions are following the same God as some worship cows as
their God.
Aik
opens/carry a bible with me...lol. So that will be a good summary for
us. First of all, I would like to mention that there are different
kinds of bible (based on different churches). Thus, always you have to
be careful on which bible you read. I'll go over that list and see what
I agree with you.
p.s: BTW, do u know all those chapters or u have saving them for this
kind of discussions?..lol. Just curious...lol
Mariam
on your last response, you said you would go over the list I presented
and see what you agree with me...tick, tock, tick, tock, tick,
tock...you must be reading a Latin version:-)!! I was also
pre-determined to hear a question or two from you to .77
nukta77
veeeeeeeeeeery carefully huh?
Thanks for waking up Aik.
"you must be reading a Latin version" ha ha ha funny (laughing with you
please)
Mariam
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