Accounts list view gone?

[ocirne94]

Hi all,

I have recently re-installed K-9 mail after resetting my phone (Oreo 8.1), I had a ~8 months old K-9 mail version before and now I have the 5.703.

With the old version the app by default opened in the accounts list view, and I could know at a glance which accounts had new mail.

Now the app by default opens the inbox of the first account and I cannot find at all a way to open the accounts list view.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks!

Enrico

[ocirne94]

bump, nobody has this issue?

[David W. Jones]

I understand others have the same issue.

I also understand that the 5.703 beta version removes the accounts list view. I don't know why they want to do that since it's useful. Pointless change for the sake of change?

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[Stephen Prentice]

From the conversation I and others have had with one of the developers, they have no plans to bring the global account view back. Which is a shame because it is essential for those of us that have multiple accounts. In my view, K-9 was special because of this feature but now it's just as ordinary as Gmail.

[Bunk3m]

This is unfortunate.  I have 5 email accounts.  It is important to have an accounts list to manage the various accounts.  Without an accounts list, K9 become a challenge to use.  I'll have to find another email client.  Such a shame.  I've used K9 for near a decade.

[Barry Margolius]

+1

 

Me too.

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[David W. Jones]

On February 9, 2020 10:17:44 AM HST, Barry Margolius <bmarg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>+1
>
>Me too.
>
>From: k-9-...@googlegroups.com <k-9-...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
>Of Bunk3m
>Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 2:57 PM
>To: K-9 Mail <k-9-...@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?
>
>This is unfortunate. I have 5 email accounts. It is important to have
>an accounts list to manage the various accounts. Without an accounts
>list, K9 become a challenge to use. I'll have to find another email
>client. Such a shame. I've used K9 for near a decade.
>
>On Sunday, February 9, 2020 at 11:24:01 AM UTC-5, Stephen Prentice
>wrote:
>
>From the conversation I and others have had with one of the developers,
>they have no plans to bring the global account view back. Which is a
>shame because it is essential for those of us that have multiple
>accounts. In my view, K-9 was special because of this feature but now
>it's just as ordinary as Gmail.

And here's another vote for keeping the accounts list.

[Uwe Deutscher]

In the case the accounts list vanishes I will leave K-9 after having
used it for 12 years now!

[Anton Himbeer]

Same here, I‘ve been using K9 also for 10+ years now.

Yesterday I installed 5.7xx and really liked the optical update. But the removal of the accounts list is a complete showstopper for me (and family members). For my daily use this overview was one of the key features.

So for now I downgraded back to 5.6, but unless the account list returns I regret that I will have to turn to another solution in the long run...

[Martin Neumann]

Same here, shortly after I installed 5.7 I realized the account overview
is gone. Basically it feels like I went back to the Gmail app. With over
15 accounts that overview is a must have and it was the reason that I
left Gmail behind in favor for K9.

So I switched quickly back to 5.6.

Looking at the code it appears 5.7 is a major update of K9. It appears
that it would be hard for the dev team to bring back the account
overview since the new layout style is based on the account pullout menu.

I consider to bring it back my self but I'm new to Android development.
So the learning curve is quite steep for me.

IMO the best improvement in 5.7 is the cleaned up settings menu. That is
rather cumbersome in 5.6.

Strategically the new UI direction seems to target broader user base,
providing a more familiar user interface to standard email users with
just a few accounts.

But this comes at the cost of leaving power users behind, which IMO is
currently a strong user base for K9.

Currently (5.6) K9 distinguishes itself from other clients through its
unique functionality and UI. When that is gone what will keep users with K9?

K9 != gmail Yay :-)

K9 == gmail Buuh ;-(

Well those are my thoughts on this
Martin

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[cx05]

Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account dropdown:

https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515

Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no replacement for the account overview page.

I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in the new UI concept:
They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that navigates to the overview and make the back key also show it. This would also be the entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview page would then be an alias for the drawer UI.
Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the programming side, but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of both worlds.

It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power users. It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is inferior to many existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail).
K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and resource efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I chose it.
Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer features than the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice your core users for the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does not care about the product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs reconsider this.

[Barry Margolius]

I never heard of FairEmail. I'm going to look it up.

I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts page. I want to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it. Anybody have other ideas about email clients to try?

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[David W. Jones]

On February 18, 2020 7:27:59 AM HST, Barry Margolius <bmarg...@gmail.com> wrote:

I never heard of FairEmail.  I'm going to look it up.  

I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts page.  I want to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it.  Anybody have other ideas about email clients to try?

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Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account dropdown:

https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515

Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no replacement for the account overview page.

I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in the new UI concept:
They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that navigates to the overview and make the back key also show it. This would also be the entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview page would then be an alias for the drawer UI.
Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the programming side, but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of both worlds.

It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power users. It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is inferior to many existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail).
K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and resource efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I chose it. 
Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer features than the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice your core users for the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does not care about the product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs reconsider this.

Look in Fdroid, Internet category. I see a number of other email clients. I picked K-9 because it let me move emails between folders. I seem to remember that at least some of the others (including in Google Play Store) don't.

[Valerio Messina]

On 02/18/20 19:45, David W. Jones wrote:
> picked K-9 because it let me move emails between folders

but it cannot move mails between folders of different IMAP account, a
feature very normal with Thunderbird and a PC

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[Uwe Deutscher]

If you just don't update, nothing will change!


-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: Barry Margolius <bmarg...@gmail.com>
Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 18:27:59 MEZ
An: k-9-...@googlegroups.com
Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

I never heard of FairEmail. I'm going to look it up.

I've not yet tried the beta version, but I do like the accounts page. I want to be ready with a K9 alternative in case I don't like it. Anybody have other ideas about email clients to try?

-----Original Message-----
From: k-9-...@googlegroups.com <k-9-...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of cx05
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 1:34 AM
To: K-9 Mail <k-9-...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?

Seems the devs plan to bring back unread numbers in the account dropdown:

https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/4515

Although a small step in the right direction, it is really no replacement for the account overview page.

I personally don't get why the account overview page would not fit in the new UI concept:
They could just add an optional entry to the drawer on the left that navigates to the overview and make the back key also show it. This would also be the entry that is first shown when k9 starts. The overview page would then be an alias for the drawer UI.
Not sure whether there are any difficulties considering the programming side, but UI wise this integration would work and give the best of both worlds.

It really seems that the devs don't care about their long term power users. It's their right, but it will lead to a client that is inferior to many existing mail clients (e.g. FairEmail).
K-9 currently cannot compete feature wise, but was more organized and resource efficient when using many accounts. That's the reason why I chose it.
Remove that overview page and it's just a gmail clone with fewer features than the competition. Thats the same road Opera went: sacrifice your core users for the sake of wider audience. But the wider audience does not care about the product and does not invest into it. Hope the devs reconsider this.


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[Barry Margolius]

That would work, but I do want the newer Gmail authentication that I assume (hope?) they are working on for that version.

[Uwe Deutscher]

Is there a way to save the existing final version's *.apk so that you can go back if you don't like the upcoming final?

-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
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Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 22:37:05 MEZ
An: 'Uwe Deutscher' <Uwe.De...@imail.de>, k-9-...@googlegroups.com

[David W. Jones]

I agree. Been a major annoyance to me. And it seems like something that should be doable relatively easily.

[Anton Himbeer]

Staying on 5.6 forever was not an option for me, but since I did not want to sacrifice the accounts page I went on the lookout for an alternative mail program, most preferably open source.

After a few days of testing I have now fully switched over to FairEmail. Suits my needs perfectly, but of course that is a matter of personal preference.

Apart from many other features it has an accounts page (as an option) including the number of unread mails. And finally Push (IMAP idle) is working quite reliably :-) I never managed to get this working properly with K-9 on any phone I had...

And moving mails between folders of different accounts is not a problem, I just tested it a few minutes ago :-)

[Stephen Prentice]

Yes. Look for an app in The Play Store named Apk Extract. Make sure to backup your account setting too.

[David W. Jones]

Which app? Found none by that name and a lot listed as "Apk Extractor". ;)

On February 19, 2020 8:15:34 AM HST, Stephen Prentice <itgeek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Yes. Look for an app in The Play Store named Apk Extract. Make sure to
>backup your account setting too.
>
>On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 6:19:48 PM UTC-6, Uwe Deutscher wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to save the existing final version's *.apk so that
>you can
>> go back if you don't like the upcoming final?
>>
>>
>> -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------

>> Von: Barry Margolius <bmarg...@gmail.com <javascript:>>

>> Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 22:37:05 MEZ

>> An: 'Uwe Deutscher' <Uwe.De...@imail.de <javascript:>>,
>> k-9-...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>

>> Betreff: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?
>>
>> That would work, but I do want the newer Gmail authentication that I
>> assume (hope?) they are working on for that version.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Uwe Deutscher <Uwe.De...@imail.de <javascript:>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2020 3:44 PM
>> To: k-9-...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>; Barry Margolius <
>> bmarg...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
>> Subject: RE: [k-9-mail] Re: Accounts list view gone?
>>
>> If you just don't update, nothing will change!
>>
>>
>> -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------

>> Von: Barry Margolius <bmarg...@gmail.com <javascript:>>

>> Gesendet: 18. Februar 2020 18:27:59 MEZ

>> An: k-9-...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>

[Stephen Prentice]

Sorry. I should have been more specific. Apk Extractor and the authors name is meher https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ext.ui

[David W. Jones]

Thanks. That's the one with 4.0 rating and reviews complaining about it serving ads, popups and ads in browsers, and slowing devices down?

I'm checking out Apk Extract and ML Manager instead.

On February 19, 2020 10:00:16 AM HST, Stephen Prentice <itgeek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Sorry. I should have been more specific. Apk Extractor and the authors
>name
>is meher https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ext.ui
>
>On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:55:08 PM UTC-6, David W. Jones
>wrote:
>>
>> Which app? Found none by that name and a lot listed as "Apk
>Extractor". ;)
>>
>> On February 19, 2020 8:15:34 AM HST, Stephen Prentice
><itgeek...@gmail.com

[Hans-Peter Lehmann]

You do not need to extract the apk. All apks for previous versions are available officially: https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/releases

[Leszek J Chmielewski]

For me the Accounts List with numbers of unread messages was indispensable. It enabled me to see the current situation at a glance.

However, it happened to be necessary for me to switch to the recent version, hence most up-to-date with underying technologies. So I moved to the beta version. But probably for short, due to this discomfort, technically minor but ergonomically unbearable.

[Steve Freed]

I have exactly the same situation and issue. I have 7 email accounts and
having an overview of all accounts with the number of unread in each
...and the ability to sync all of them at the same time, is
*indispensable* for me too.

I have temporarily (hopefully) switched to a different app and will see
what shakes out when the new version of k-9 mail is complete. If the
accounts overview is indeed gone in the final release, I'll
unfortunately have to stick with my alt.

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On 4/23/20 4:03 AM, Leszek J Chmielewski wrote:
> For me the Accounts List with numbers of unread messages was *indispensable*.