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Nov 17, 2023, 1:39:57 PM11/17/23
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Jules Verne Literary Engineer By Quentin Skrabec  Part One
i will post Part Two

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Hi Quentin, thank you! I have read it only now, and I have learned something from it – engineers as mediators; holistic engineering and socio-oriented engineers.

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I don’t know if you are interested in it, but there are a few points you could consider changing if there is going to be a second edition of the article: I see some superscript numbers – but the corresponding footnotes were lost?
The Barsac Mission (not Barasc) was written almost fully by Verne’s son Michel.
Some typos – Voyages Exordinararie… ouch ;)

Cheers,
Matthias

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Thanks for your input – will make changes in future editions  ( several engineering journals are looking to reprint). I will have their copy editors look at it again

 

I am interested in anything you have on the Barsac Mission- I had understood this novel is “attributed” to Jules Verne but “written” from two unfinished Verne manuscripts by his son. When you say “almost fully” – what do you understand that to mean? Are there any passages that can be completely identified as Michel based on sources or factors such as dates or historical markers? Are there any sources that may have some details concerning the nature of the novel? Any translator notes etc,? This would be important to my research on Verne’s predictive ability and the evolution of technology.

 

Thanks again

 

Quent

 

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Barsac is based on Jules’ unfinished novel Voyage d’études. You will find a summary here (I recommend DeepL or ChatGPT for translating it):
So, no Blackland and no drones/wasps in Jules’ draft. But I think there were also some notes written by Jules and used by Michel, but I can’t remember right now if these notes were lost or still exist. They were probably lost:
"Inwieweit sich die weitere Handlung auf alte Pläne Jules Vernes bezieht, muss offen bleiben." From Volker’s 2005 bio of JV.
In English: "The extent to which the rest of the plot refers to Jules Verne's old plans is unknown."

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Dec 19, 2023, 6:16:03 PM12/19/23
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Hy, in the Amiens Library several notes (15 cards with captions) written by Jules Verne remain, related to the unfinished novel Voyage d'études (projected to include 17 chapters), but there is strictly nothing which refers to the second part of the Barsac-novel. Other notes of JV for unwritten novels exist but they have nothing in common with the book written and published by Michel.
Michel's manuscrit of Barsac written in collaboration with André Maurel can be consulted on Gallica.
 
Cheers, Volker
 
 
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Dec 20, 2023, 10:33:50 AM12/20/23
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Thank you-- so much. Would you agree then that all the technology of part 2 should be considered that of Michel?

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great and thanks--  then i should not attribute technology in Barsac to Jules?  this will be very helpful in my research. this forum is becoming extremely helpful because my focus is engineering and science, and I need input from translators to assess and add context 
Thank you for your input

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Dec 20, 2023, 11:56:12 AM12/20/23
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Yes, I do, because there are no documents of Verne's hand. Best, VD
 
 
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Thank you for your clear answer and I will use it as a guide.  I know Michel vs Jules can be a confusing black hole for many (me 😊).

As a separate question how much do you think Michel was influenced by Jules’s technology?  Was Michel’s changes more related to plot, subplots, storylines, error corrections, and names than technology?

 

For example, many attribute “In the Year 2889" to Michel (?) with its notable use of pneumatic tubes but Jules in 1863 used the concept of pneumatic tubes in 20th Century Paris

My interest is the technology. 

DOES anybody know of Michel’s technical training/education?

Thanks to all for this discussion

 

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Dec 20, 2023, 5:35:58 PM12/20/23
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Yes, Michel clearly imitated Jules’s style and ideas, including technological ones, but while bringing in his own ideas.

 

2889 was Michel’s, but later revised by Jules.

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«DOES anybody know of Michel’s technical training/education?»
The others will correct me if I’m wrong… Michel did not have any formal technical training or education. But be sure to check out his series of articles Zigzags à travers la science, neuf textes publiés en feuilleton en 1888 dans Le Figaro, réédition Bulletin de la Société Jules Verne no 106, 1993 puis Collection ArchéoSF, éditions Publie.net, 2012 et 2015 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Verne
I guess they are not available in English, but be sure to get a copy of Vice, Redemption and the Distant Colony
which features an English translation of Voyage d’études.

quentin

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Thank you- 

 

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Volker Dehs

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Dec 20, 2023, 8:09:17 PM12/20/23
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yes, there is a well-commentatd edition of michel'articles in "worlds known and unknown" ( bearmanor fiction, 2018, pp. 213-278). sorry, i have technical problems with my computer

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>
> «*DOES anybody know of Michel’s technical training/education?*»
> The others will correct me if I’m wrong… Michel did not have any formal
> technical training or education. But be sure to check out his series of
> articles *Zigzags à travers la science*, neuf textes publiés en feuilleton
> en 1888 dans *Le Figaro <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Figaro>*,
> réédition *Bulletin de la Société Jules Verne* no 106, 1993 puis Collection
> ArchéoSF, éditions Publie.net, 2012 et 2015
> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Verne
> I guess they are not available in English, but be sure to get a copy of *Vice,
> Redemption and the Distant Colony*
> http://www.najvs.org/palikseries.shtml#Vol-5
> which features an English translation of *Voyage d’études*.
> wbutcher1022 schrieb am Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 23:35:58 UTC+1:
>
> > Yes, Michel clearly imitated Jules’s style and ideas, including
> > technological ones, but while bringing in his own ideas.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2889 was Michel’s, but later revised by Jules.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* jules-ve...@googlegroups.com <jules-ve...@googlegroups.com> *On
> > Behalf Of *quentin
> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 21, 2023 3:25 AM
> > *To:* jules-ve...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* RE: Re: Re: [JVF] Re: Here's a link to my latest article in
> > STEM magazine
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your clear answer and I will use it as a guide. I know
> > Michel vs Jules can be a confusing black hole for many (me 😊).
> >
> > As a separate question how much do you think Michel was influenced by
> > Jules’s technology? Was Michel’s changes more related to plot, subplots,
> > storylines, error corrections, and names than technology?
> >
> >
> >
> > For example, many attribute “*In the Year 2889
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Year_2889_(short_story)>*" to
> > Michel (?) with its notable use of pneumatic tubes
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatic_tubes> but Jules in 1863 used
> > the concept of pneumatic tubes in 20th Century Paris
> >
> > My interest is the technology.
> >
> > DOES anybody know of Michel’s technical training/education?
> >
> > Thanks to all for this discussion
> >
> >
> >
> > *Quentin R. Skrabec Jr., Ph.D. *
> >
> > *St. Eloi Consulting*
> >
> > *qrsk...@gmail.com *
> >
> > *6609 Buck Creek *
> >
> > *Maumee, Ohio 43537 *
> >
> > *Cell 419 349 0933 <(419)%20349-0933>*
> >
> > *Verne: Past, Present, Future at paris2060.blogspot.com
> > <http://paris2060.blogspot.com> *
> >
> >
> >
> > *From: *'Volker Dehs' via Jules Verne Forum
> > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 20, 2023 11:56 AM
> > *To: *jules-ve...@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject: *Aw: Re: Re: [JVF] Re: Here's a link to my latest article in
> > STEM magazine
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, I do, because there are no documents of Verne's hand. Best, VD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 20. Dezember 2023 um 16:33 Uhr
> > *Von:* "quentin skrabec" <qrsk...@gmail.com>
> > *An:* "Jules Verne Forum" <jules-ve...@googlegroups.com>
> > *Betreff:* Re: Re: [JVF] Re: Here's a link to my latest article in STEM
> > magazine
> >
> > Thank you-- so much. Would you agree then that all the technology of part
> > 2 should be considered that of Michel?
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 6:16:03 PM UTC-5 volker.dehs wrote:
> >
> > Hy, in the Amiens Library several notes (15 cards with captions) written
> > by Jules Verne remain, related to the unfinished novel *Voyage d'études*
> > (projected to include 17 chapters), but there is strictly nothing which
> > refers to the second part of the *Barsac*-novel. Other notes of JV for
> > unwritten novels exist but they have *nothing* in common with the book
> > written and published by Michel.
> >
> > Michel's manuscrit of *Barsac *written in collaboration with André Maurel can
> > be consulted on Gallica.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Volker
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 19. Dezember 2023 um 23:53 Uhr
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> > *An:* "Jules Verne Forum" <jules-ve...@googlegroups.com>
> > *Betreff:* Re: [JVF] Re: Here's a link to my latest article in STEM
> > magazine
> >
> >
> >
> > *Barsac* is based on Jules’ unfinished novel *Voyage d’études*. You will
> > *Quentin R. Skrabec Jr., Ph.D. *
> >
> > *St. Eloi Consulting*
> >
> > *qrsk...@gmail.com *
> >
> > *6609 Buck Creek *
> >
> > *Maumee, Ohio 43537 *
> >
> > *Cell 419 349 0933 <(419)%20349-0933>*
> >
> > *Verne: Past, Present, Future at paris2060.blogspot.com
> > <http://paris2060.blogspot.com> *
> >
> >
> >
> > *From: *'mken...@aol.com' via Jules Verne Forum
> > *Sent: *Tuesday, December 19, 2023 4:09 PM
> > *To: *Jules Verne Forum
> > *Subject: *[JVF] Re: Here's a link to my latest article in STEM magazine
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Quentin, thank you! I have read it only now, and I have learned
> > something from it – engineers as mediators; holistic engineering and
> > socio-oriented engineers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Note:
> >
> > I don’t know if you are interested in it, but there are a few points you
> > could consider changing if there is going to be a second edition of the
> > article: I see some superscript numbers – but the corresponding footnotes
> > were lost?
> >
> > The Barsac Mission (not Bar*as*c) was written almost fully by Verne’s son
> > Michel.
> >
> > Some typos – Voyages *Exordinararie*… ouch ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> >
> >
> > qrsk...@gmail.com schrieb am Freitag, 17. November 2023 um 19:39:57 UTC+1:
> >
> > Jules Verne Literary Engineer By Quentin Skrabec Part One
> >
> > https://www.stemmagazine.com/gNOV23/viewer/desktop/
> >
> > i will post Part Two
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Dec 20, 2023, 8:18:48 PM12/20/23
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Thanks for the info! I had overlooked it. Here’s the link to that volume:

Jan Rychlik

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Dec 21, 2023, 5:42:25 AM12/21/23
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Michel’s writings did not necessarily required technical education (neither Jules had one). His short story on La Manche bridge fictionalizes a contemporary project that was medialized even outside France (Jules did the same with the project of Saharian Sea). Michel’s short story Un express de l’avenir was based on an interview with an American named Pierce who proposed the Atlantic tunnel. Both short stories belong to the Zigzags series and both were published outside France under his father’s name.

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«DOES anybody know of Michel’s technical training/education?»

Alex Kirstukas

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Hi Quentin,

For more on the authorship of the 2889 story, there's excellent work here, comparing Michel's original with Jules's revision: http://www.verniana.org/volumes/10/HTML/2889vs2890.html

As Matthias and Volker mention, there's lots of useful information in the "Palik Series" of Verne translations, published by BearManor Media and NAJVS:

  • Jules's original draft of what would become The Barsac Mission is in the volume Vice, Redemption, and the Distant Colony.
  • Michel's "Zig-Zags Through Science" are in the volume Worlds Known and Unknown, as are some technology-related writings by Jules.
  • You may also be interested in the volume Bandits and Rebels, which includes two rare writings by Jules about submarine boats.

Some other great resources in English:


All the best,

Alex



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Alex

Thank you so much – I do have the Palik series and will re-read.  The other links are very helpful!!    As always thank you for your help

 

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