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FYI
The Kindle edition called:
Delphi Complete Works of Jules Verne (Illustrated) Kindle Edition
for $2.99 CDN has Archipelago on Fire, and it is the George Munro translation
Which opens: On the 18th of October, 1827, about five o’clock in the evening…….
(art evans does not seem to give a thumbs up to either Munro, or Sampson Low translations)
In the Kindle edition, in the first 4 chapters, there are 2 illustrations and the Fronticepiece.
.. Andrew Nash
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Date: Tuesday, 11 May 2021 2:16 AM EDT
Subject: RE: [JVF] The Archipelago on Fire
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Delphi, does try to indicate WHAT their translation is.
… ie Mercier Lewis (boooo), N d’Anvers, Anonymous
Yes, all public domain. Plenty of images sprinkled through.. movie posters, book covers
Images from Verne’s life.
Not all accurate…. They show Verne’s house in Amiens and says “Verne’s birthplace, Nantes”
So not totally accurate.
All in all, a handy collection to have.
I started to go through it, and it includes translations by:
Lackland, A Malleson, Lewis Mercier, Elen Frewer, N D’Anvers, George M Towle
One weird error I found, was: Wreck of the Chancellor, trans. George M Towle, but the date, in the first sentence or 2 is 1898, instead of 1869. That’s a weird mistake.
The other digital English collection I picked up, did not include Archipelago on Fire
… Andrew
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Wow.. excellent James.
Andrew
From: jules-ve...@googlegroups.com <jules-ve...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of James Keeline
Sent: June 15, 2021 1:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [JVF] The Archipelago on Fire
In the past week I have found space to set up my CZUR Aura book scanner that I showed and described previously in this thread. I scanned my Pears Soap copy of The Archipelago on Fire and a few other Verne works that are not available in PDFs with page images so far as I can find online. There are some print-on-demand or modern reprints, of course, but it is interesting to have a work that can be searched among others.
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Although the text of the Donohue edition of The Lottery Ticket has been transcribed on Project Gutenberg, here is a scan of the pages from my copy. I did not include the non-Verne filler pages.
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Two of the Watt titles are available online (Lighthouse at the End of the World and The Castaways of the Flag) but Their Island Home has not yet been scanned. Here is my copy with a partial dust jacket.
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Finally, I did not find a copy of The Family Without a Name so I scanned the extremely fragile Seaside Library Pocket edition. The pulp paper is very brown and brittle. I have a later edition of this story but have not compared the opening lines to see if it is the same translation
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There are still some gaps and translator variants to find or make. Because my DropBox space is limited, these will be available for a short period of time. I'm sure you understand. Kindly keep it within the community and don't post to places like Archive.org without consulting me. Each of these scans takes about 2-3 hours of photography, clean-up, PDF generation, and OCR.
Perhaps someone here can help fill in some of the gaps that are not available in PDF with page image formats. We can discuss what is available or missing if there is interest.
James D. Keeline
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V032 1887 The Flight to FranceV034 1889 Two Years Vacation - Adrift in the Pacific— I have an abridged PDF from Sampson Low.V035 1889 Topsy Turvy - The Purchase of the North Pole
— I have retyped copies from Gutenberg.
V041 1893 Foundling MickV043 1895 The Floating Island - Propeller Island— I have a copy of this to scan ( https://www.librarything.com/work/1066930/details/64512929 )V045 1900 Clovis DardentorV047 1898 The Superb OrinocoV048 1899 The Will of an Eccentric— I have a copy of this to scan ( https://www.librarything.com/work/1476742/details/64505033 ). Possibly the text is the same as the Boys' Own Annual serial.V050 1901 The Village in the Treetops— I don't think there is an English version before the Fitzroy edition. I do have two PDFs of the French from Gallica.frV052 1902 The Kip BrothersV053 1903 Scholarships for TravelV055 1904 A Drama in Livonia
Scanning equipment varies in feature, image quality, speed, and price. I have used many different ways to get page images into a computer over the past 20 or more years.A typical flatbed scanner has some of the disadvantages you mention such as having to press a book flat against the glass which would badly damage a fragile book like the Seaside Library Pocket Edition of The Family Without a Name. These thick pulp paperbacks are not suited for being pressed flat without breaking the binding and fracturing the brittle pages.Additionally, a flatbed scanner exchanges resolution for speed. You can get a high resolution scan but many can take 30-60 seconds per page spread. You need to position the item, start the scan, wait, and then repeat for the next page spread. If the whole process takes 60 seconds per page spread, a 300-page book can take 150 minutes or 2.5 hours to scan. This is an extraordinary investment compared with other methods I have used. Even after the image capture is done, there is post processing to crop and clean up the images before making the PDF with OCR. On most workflows, the post processing can take more time than the initial image capture process.
El 16 jun 2021, a las 0:16, James Keeline <ja...@keeline.com> escribió:
Scanning equipment varies in feature, image quality, speed, and price. I have used many different ways to get page images into a computer over the past 20 or more years.A typical flatbed scanner has some of the disadvantages you mention such as having to press a book flat against the glass which would badly damage a fragile book like the Seaside Library Pocket Edition of The Family Without a Name. These thick pulp paperbacks are not suited for being pressed flat without breaking the binding and fracturing the brittle pages.Additionally, a flatbed scanner exchanges resolution for speed. You can get a high resolution scan but many can take 30-60 seconds per page spread. You need to position the item, start the scan, wait, and then repeat for the next page spread. If the whole process takes 60 seconds per page spread, a 300-page book can take 150 minutes or 2.5 hours to scan. This is an extraordinary investment compared with other methods I have used. Even after the image capture is done, there is post processing to crop and clean up the images before making the PDF with OCR. On most workflows, the post processing can take more time than the initial image capture process.No matter how much a book is pressed to the glass, there is going to be a curvature of the image near the gutter of the page when a flatbed scanner is used. Fixing this in Photoshop is difficult when it is possible and sometimes it is not. It takes a good deal of time per page. Even if that is just one minute per page, there's another 5 hours for a 300-page book. Now we are looking at up to 8 hours of unpaid work to scan a single book.A method I have used in the past to minimize the curvature at the gutter and speed up the image capture is similar to this Instructable on the Cardboard Box Book Scanner:
Bargain-Price Book Scanner From a Cardboard Box.
Bargain-Price Book Scanner From a Cardboard Box.: Who doesn't want access to their books, notebooks, magazines, ...A camera on a tripod with a remote shutter control captures an image of a page on one side of a spread. The page is held down with glass or plastic and illuminated by the lamp. Moving the glass for each page turn and going through the book twice is tedious. Also it is hard to align the camera for a square image of the page. Otherwise one needs to do a lot of post processing with Photoshop to square and crop the pages. I have used a method along this line for thousands of page images. Often I forego the glass and use a letter opener or chopstick to hold the edge of a page that wants to move out of position. The camera is much faster than a scanner.The resolution of the resulting image varies according to the megapixel rating of the camera. If a page has a 4:3 aspect ratio and is 8x6 inches and you want to get something equivalent to 300 dots per inch, that would be an image size of which is 2,400x1,800 pixels or 4.3 megapixels. If you are going a two-page spread, it is double this. That is possible with conventional cameras. When you start wanting to increase to 600 dpi or greater, suddenly you are looking at extremely expensive cameras and very large data files.It is challenging to get consistent lighting and exposure with the cardboard box setup.A method I have not tried because of the size of the rig and the expense of having two high-quality digital cameras is one of the many designs described on:This is a group of people interested in scanning books and developing apparatus and software to achieve this. Some designs can be built with relatively simple tools. Others work from kits. Some require advanced fabrication skills in the materials used.There are expensive professional scanners that are purchased by libraries and similar institutions. These machines cost from US$5,000-$10,000 and go up from there. I have used some of these in libraries when it was the only way to get something imaged and the item could not be removed from the special collection reading room. Despite their expense, the machines of this class I have used or read about do not have software that can flatten the page image. I've already mentioned that this is a time-consuming part of the processing of a book.The two book scanners that I own are both made by a Chinese company called CZUR. They were IndieGoGo crowd-funding campaigns. When the campaign was over, participants had to wait many months for the scanners to be manufactured and delivered. The Aura took about 9 months and arrived in 2019. The Shine Ultra took about 11 months and arrived amid COVID in 2020. Many contributors to the campaign were very frustrated by the time the scanners arrived. Now that they are made, ordering one of the past models is about like ordering any product from overseas in terms of delivery time. The cost for these scanners was attractive. I want to say that the Aura was around US$350 and the Shine Ultra was around US$250.
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There are some significant differences between the models. The Shine Ultra has a higher-resolution camera and can be powered from USB. It is very portable and could be taken to a library if they would allow it. However, there are other considerations which cause me to use the Aura as my primary scanner for books at home.The banner feature for these scanners is the ability to detect the page curvature and use that information to flatten the image (as best as it can). The Aura achieves this by projecting three laser lines on the page spread. This is fairly effective. The Shine Ultra tries to do the same by detecting the edges of the pages. This does not work as well. It does not use lasers.Despite software written in 2020, these scanners have programs that are a bit clunky to use at times. There is no project save and if the program hangs, you can lose a lot of work. This occurred on a scan of another Verne book, Clovis Dardentor, which itself (on this copy) is a collection of bound photocopies. The text is clear but the illustrations will have to be replaced but I have access to those. The program also does not have an "undo" feature (except for a trick) and many repetitive tasks require a lot of mouse travel to get things done. Keyboard equivalents for buttons and other mouse clicks are simply not present so your fingers get a workout in processing a 300-page book. With some experience, most frustrations can be minimized. Some quirks can be better understood with experience. For example, if a page spread is too flat, it will not detect the center line (gutter) well and this is a bit tedious to fix, especially when it must be done to multiple page spreads.Image capture of a book is usually around 5-10 seconds per page spread. With 150 page spreads in a 300-page book, that is roughly 25 minutes or more to photograph a 300-page book. The total amount of time depends on how much time is taken to turn pages and confirm the positioning and retakes if something does not come out well.Despite the image flattening, which works better than most other methods, there is still some post processing that must be done. This includes realigning the center line on the gutter because it did not detect it accurately. Pages must also be cropped if you don't want extra-wide images that show the fore-edge of the pages. It is also possible to change color images to grayscale and save as individual images or build a PDF. Do not try to use their OCR in the CZUR program. It is exceptionally slow and there are other faster methods.The camera in the CZUR Aura is OK but not great. It can generally image up to 11x17 inches or European A2 paper. The camera produces images of up to 4320x3240 pixels (about 14 megapixels with an effective 240 dpi). So, while it is not as great as a flatbed scanner, it is faster, has curve flattening, built-in lighting, a foot-pedal control, and is generally easier to use. For the purpose of reading a PDF, these specifications are pretty good. It is possible to get good OCR from them which is good enough for word search but not for making text files as would be used on Gutenberg or the Kindle.There are four books mentioned in my previous email. I don't know which one(s) you referred to when you asked about the image quality.The Archipelago on Fire came out pretty well. The page images replicate the color of the physical book. On this one I cropped the pages in the CZUR software and built a PDF in the program. I then used Adobe Acrobat Pro (DCC) for the OCR processing. (I have other methods of OCR which can be faster but that is a topic for another email). In Acrobat Pro I used the "optimize" feature to bring the PDF file size down to a reasonable level (32 MB). This probably has the effect of reducing the page image resolution. Before this the PDF was very large, around 160 MB but there was not a significant difference in the appearance of the page images or their clarity. This book is comparable to PDFs found on sites like Google Books, HathiTrust.org, or Archive.org. There are some with larger files but usually not much greater image quality for the titles they offer.Ticket No. 9672 (aka The Lottery Ticket) is from a 1910s copy of the book, the first hardcover edition, on medium-quality paper. After cropping in CZUR, I built a PDF there, did OCR in Acrobat Pro, and optimized the file to retain as much of the image quality as possible but reduce the file size to something practical. As noted, I did not scan the filler pages which the publisher used to bulk out the book.Their Island Home was scanned from the first U.S. printing with the partial dust jacket. The page colors were retained on this one. The same methods as above were used. Other Watt titles by Verne are available online so I did not scan my copies.The Family Without a Name was a real challenge because of the darkened pulp paper that has become stiff and brittle. Getting images of the page spreads without damaging the book was challenging. I'm sure some deterioration occurred but hopefully not much more than a careful reading of the book. Since the pages were so dark, I decided to use ScanTailor Advanced to process the pages further. The main effect of this was to clear out margins and make the pages black text on a white background. The printing and paper quality was rather limited so this may have page image quality issues that are more to do with the source book than the scanner or post processing.
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