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Steve Hanson
Nov 19, 2008, 6:02:58 PM11/19/08
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Aldon Hynes
Nov 19, 2008, 7:22:01 PM11/19/08
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Here in Connecticut, we are facing the possiblity of a couple newspapers
being closed down, which is generating some interesting discussions. I've
written my reactions to the discussions in a blog post
being closed down, which is generating some interesting discussions. I've
written my reactions to the discussions in a blog post
The Future of the Newspaper
http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/3312
It is fairly long and explores several angles. I would love to hear
thoughts from people on this list.
Aldon
David Cohn
Nov 19, 2008, 7:37:56 PM11/19/08
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Aldon
It is an excellent post - and I agree with your premise: "journalism will survive the death of its institutions."
It is very important that we don't conflate journalism with newspapers and assume that if one goes, the other will disappear.
That said: not all the tools are there that need to be in order to do in-depth reporting.
I strongly believe that it is up to the citizens of a city to ensure that journalism continues by either donating time or money. Both are helpful.
Take Spot.Us: We have one pitch which is just $135 shy of being fully funded! It's a good story too - on the rise of tent cities during this economic crisis.
http://spot.us/pitches/12
All we need is 13 or so citizens to stand up and make a difference by donating $10. I have to believe those people are there - which means that instead of paying for the large overhead of a newspaper - all the money will towards the reporting (the important part). Currently most newspaper budgets only give 10-25% of their budget towards actual reporting.
But it takes courage and so far I'm finding it very difficult to get people to donate towards journalism (both time and money). The tools need to be there to lower the threshold so that the amount of journalism that newspapers produce is matched by participatory journalism (either bloggers or people giving small donations).
--
David Cohn
http://Spot.Us
http://www.digidave.org/who.html
(310) 365-3600
It is an excellent post - and I agree with your premise: "journalism will survive the death of its institutions."
It is very important that we don't conflate journalism with newspapers and assume that if one goes, the other will disappear.
That said: not all the tools are there that need to be in order to do in-depth reporting.
I strongly believe that it is up to the citizens of a city to ensure that journalism continues by either donating time or money. Both are helpful.
Take Spot.Us: We have one pitch which is just $135 shy of being fully funded! It's a good story too - on the rise of tent cities during this economic crisis.
http://spot.us/pitches/12
All we need is 13 or so citizens to stand up and make a difference by donating $10. I have to believe those people are there - which means that instead of paying for the large overhead of a newspaper - all the money will towards the reporting (the important part). Currently most newspaper budgets only give 10-25% of their budget towards actual reporting.
But it takes courage and so far I'm finding it very difficult to get people to donate towards journalism (both time and money). The tools need to be there to lower the threshold so that the amount of journalism that newspapers produce is matched by participatory journalism (either bloggers or people giving small donations).
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David Cohn
http://Spot.Us
http://www.digidave.org/who.html
(310) 365-3600
Aldon Hynes
Nov 19, 2008, 7:40:54 PM11/19/08
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David, (et al)
I didn't realize you were on this
list. I heard you speak at the Columbia Journalism conference the other
day. http://spot.us is incredibly cool.
You mentioned that the code is open source. Perhaps we should talk back
channel about getting ctspot.us up and running. I run my share of open
source sites. Steve would probably be good for wispot.us if he has time
and interest.
In terms of doing in-depth reporting, I
think spot.us is a great way to get such reporting funded. Beyond that,
Investigative Reporters and Editors (IRE) has great workshops about watchdog
reporting. Thanks to a note from Bill Densmore, I attended an IRE workshop
in New Haven, CT over the weekend. IRE now accepts bloggers and I would
love to see a lot of bloggers attend IRE workshops.
I wanted to mention spot.us and IRE in my
blog post, but it got to be too long as it is. So, perhaps I can do a plug
for both of them in a follow up blog post.
Aldon
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:37 PM
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Subject: Re: {JTM} The Future of the Newspaper
It is an excellent post - and I agree with your premise: "journalism will survive the death of its institutions."
It is very important that we don't conflate journalism with newspapers and assume that if one goes, the other will disappear.
That said: not all the tools are there that need to be in order to do in-depth reporting.
I strongly believe that it is up to the citizens of a city to ensure that journalism continues by either donating time or money. Both are helpful.
Take Spot.Us: We have one pitch which is just $135 shy of being fully funded! It's a good story too - on the rise of tent cities during this economic crisis.
http://spot.us/pitches/12
All we need is 13 or so citizens to stand up and make a difference by donating $10. I have to believe those people are there - which means that instead of paying for the large overhead of a newspaper - all the money will towards the reporting (the important part). Currently most newspaper budgets only give 10-25% of their budget towards actual reporting.
But it takes courage and so far I'm finding it very difficult to get people to donate towards journalism (both time and money). The tools need to be there to lower the threshold so that the amount of journalism that newspapers produce is matched by participatory journalism (either bloggers or people giving small donations).
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Aldon Hynes <Aldon...@orient-lodge.com> wrote:
Here in Connecticut, we are facing the possiblity of a couple newspapers
being closed down, which is generating some interesting discussions. I've
written my reactions to the discussions in a blog post
The Future of the Newspaper
http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/3312
It is fairly long and explores several angles. I would love to hear
thoughts from people on this list.
Aldon
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David Cohn
Nov 19, 2008, 8:02:42 PM11/19/08
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Aldon
I thought I saw you in the chat room. When they were asking about the value of twitter I was going to point to the chatroom as an example and say "I even know people here - Amy Gahran and Aldon Hynes."
Spot.us is indeed open source and I do want to launch it in other cities. But I think the code needs to be refined a bit more before we try and expand it into another city.
That probably won't happen until February or March of 2009. If you want, however, feel free to check out the git hub of spot.us' code: http://github.com/spot-us/spot-us/tree/master
In the meantime what I need more than anything else are proofs of concept that show indeed - a few citizens DO want meaningful journalism and are willing to make small tax-deductible donations for it.
This pitch for example only needs a few more donations and it could be important beyond the Bay Area:
http://spot.us/pitches/12
David
I thought I saw you in the chat room. When they were asking about the value of twitter I was going to point to the chatroom as an example and say "I even know people here - Amy Gahran and Aldon Hynes."
Spot.us is indeed open source and I do want to launch it in other cities. But I think the code needs to be refined a bit more before we try and expand it into another city.
That probably won't happen until February or March of 2009. If you want, however, feel free to check out the git hub of spot.us' code: http://github.com/spot-us/spot-us/tree/master
In the meantime what I need more than anything else are proofs of concept that show indeed - a few citizens DO want meaningful journalism and are willing to make small tax-deductible donations for it.
This pitch for example only needs a few more donations and it could be important beyond the Bay Area:
http://spot.us/pitches/12
David
Bill Densmore
Nov 19, 2008, 9:18:41 PM11/19/08
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David/Aldon:
Both of you are fabulous MGP/JTM collaborators -- let's figure out a way
to support an experiment in Bristol and New Britain if the papers go down.
I posted:
http://www.newenglandnews.org/?q=node/308
Perhaps the New England News Forum can help somehow. Could we rally
j-schools around New England to incubate local online news communities in
Bristol and New Britain? MGP/JTM has such a community now developing that
could provide expert advice -- Tracy in Seattle, the team at BaristaNet,
Paul Bass and Christine in Connecticut, and on and on . . . and now
Spot.us is one element of a support system. For the RepJ experiment in
Northfield, Minn., we hope to incorporate Spot.us support for some story
projects: http://pjnet.org/representativejournalism/
-- bill densmore
Peggy Holman
Nov 20, 2008, 7:30:16 PM11/20/08
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Dave - might there be synergy between NewsTrust and spot.us? It seems to me that Florian is cultivating an informed audience. They could be folks who would "get" the value of paying for journalism.
Aldon - thanks for the post. Your three C's - content, context and community are great. At the JTM session that happened alongside the AEJMC meeting in DC, a group identified three threads to the curriculum needed today for journalism education:
* broad-based media literacy,
* the craft of journalism, and
* the art of engagement.
It strikes me that these three areas relate to the three C's:
* content - it can come from anywhere making media literacy vital
* context - how to tell a story that makes sense of a complex world and goes beyond an A vs. B storyline is an essential skill of the craft
* community - what it takes to engage people in a meaningful many-to-many way is a vital and emerging capacity, both online and face to face.
Peggy
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Aldon Hynes
Nov 20, 2008, 7:59:55 PM11/20/08
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Bill, David, et al.
My blog post yesterday generated some good discussion so I've written a
followup, which mentions the idea of NENF potentially rallying j-schools
around New England to incubate online news communities in Bristol and New
Britain, as well as talking about the potential to use Spot.Us as a means of
raising funds. I look forward to further discussions.
Aldon
The Future of the Newspaper, Part 2
http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/3313
Steve Collins
Nov 21, 2008, 12:00:24 PM11/21/08
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Hey everyone,
I'm keenly interested in the idea of online news in Bristol (and
Central Connecticut generally) because it's a hell of a lot better
option than seeing the Press die with absolutely nothing left to take
its place after Jan. 12. To be fair, I'll probably continue to do my
Bristol Blog (www.bristoltoday.com) for at least awhile until we see
how things shake out. But the idea of rallying j-schools is intriguing
because it can work.
My wife, Jackie Majerus, and I have run an online teen-written
newspaper (www.ReadTheTattoo.com) for many years so we have a pretty
good idea what it would take to pull it off. I'd be happy to talk to
anyone out there who wants to see what's possible.
As I have written about extensively on my blog, I'm deeply concerned
about what happens to this community if there is no news coverage, if
everything that happens just vanishes into a void. It's terrible to
contemplate.
I do believe there woud be at least local money to help get things
rolling. People are just waiting to see how they can lend a hand.
-- Steve Collins
majerus...@comcast.net
On Nov 20, 7:59 pm, Aldon Hynes <Aldon.Hy...@Orient-Lodge.com> wrote:
> Bill, David, et al.
>
> My blog post yesterday generated some good discussion so I've written a
> followup, which mentions the idea of NENF potentially rallying j-schools
> around New England to incubate online news communities in Bristol and New
> Britain, as well as talking about the potential to use Spot.Us as a means of
> raising funds. I look forward to further discussions.
>
> Aldon
>
> The Future of the Newspaper, Part 2http://www.orient-lodge.com/node/3313
I'm keenly interested in the idea of online news in Bristol (and
Central Connecticut generally) because it's a hell of a lot better
option than seeing the Press die with absolutely nothing left to take
its place after Jan. 12. To be fair, I'll probably continue to do my
Bristol Blog (www.bristoltoday.com) for at least awhile until we see
how things shake out. But the idea of rallying j-schools is intriguing
because it can work.
My wife, Jackie Majerus, and I have run an online teen-written
newspaper (www.ReadTheTattoo.com) for many years so we have a pretty
good idea what it would take to pull it off. I'd be happy to talk to
anyone out there who wants to see what's possible.
As I have written about extensively on my blog, I'm deeply concerned
about what happens to this community if there is no news coverage, if
everything that happens just vanishes into a void. It's terrible to
contemplate.
I do believe there woud be at least local money to help get things
rolling. People are just waiting to see how they can lend a hand.
-- Steve Collins
majerus...@comcast.net
On Nov 20, 7:59 pm, Aldon Hynes <Aldon.Hy...@Orient-Lodge.com> wrote:
> Bill, David, et al.
>
> My blog post yesterday generated some good discussion so I've written a
> followup, which mentions the idea of NENF potentially rallying j-schools
> around New England to incubate online news communities in Bristol and New
> Britain, as well as talking about the potential to use Spot.Us as a means of
> raising funds. I look forward to further discussions.
>
> Aldon
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Densmore [mailto:mediagira...@journ.umass.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:19 PM
> To: David Cohn
>
> Cc: Aldon Hynes; jtm...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: {JTM} Re: The Future of the Newspaper
>
> David/Aldon:
>
> Both of you are fabulous MGP/JTM collaborators -- let's figure out a way
> to support an experiment in Bristol and New Britain if the papers go down.
>
> I posted:http://www.newenglandnews.org/?q=node/308
>
> Perhaps the New England News Forum can help somehow. Could we rally
> j-schools around New England to incubate local online news communities in
> Bristol and New Britain? MGP/JTM has such a community now developing that
> could provide expert advice -- Tracy in Seattle, the team at BaristaNet,
> Paul Bass and Christine in Connecticut, and on and on . . . and now
> Spot.us is one element of a support system. For the RepJ experiment in
> Northfield, Minn., we hope to incorporate Spot.us support for some story
> projects:http://pjnet.org/representativejournalism/
>
> -- bill densmore- Hide quoted text -
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Densmore [mailto:mediagira...@journ.umass.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:19 PM
> To: David Cohn
>
> Cc: Aldon Hynes; jtm...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: {JTM} Re: The Future of the Newspaper
>
> David/Aldon:
>
> Both of you are fabulous MGP/JTM collaborators -- let's figure out a way
> to support an experiment in Bristol and New Britain if the papers go down.
>
> I posted:http://www.newenglandnews.org/?q=node/308
>
> Perhaps the New England News Forum can help somehow. Could we rally
> j-schools around New England to incubate local online news communities in
> Bristol and New Britain? MGP/JTM has such a community now developing that
> could provide expert advice -- Tracy in Seattle, the team at BaristaNet,
> Paul Bass and Christine in Connecticut, and on and on . . . and now
> Spot.us is one element of a support system. For the RepJ experiment in
> Northfield, Minn., we hope to incorporate Spot.us support for some story
> projects:http://pjnet.org/representativejournalism/
>
Aldon Hynes
Nov 21, 2008, 12:46:33 PM11/21/08
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Steve, et al.
It is great to see you on this list. It was the interview you did with
Rick Green together with my discussions with Doug Hardy that prompted my
blog post and some of the discussion on this list.
I do hope that the Bristol Press doesn't end up getting shutdown, because
I do believe there is an importance in maintaining paper distribution of
news. Also, Doug commented on my note as it appeared on Facebook about the
importance of maintaining the institutional knowledge that so many great
reporters around Connecticut have.
I'm in pretty bad shape financially, so I can't help on that front, but
you can count on me to help in whatever ways possible.
While I'm responding, I should comment about Peggy's message. I met
Peggy at JTM Memphis, I believe it was, and some of the thinking there
informs my writing about what I'm currently thinking about as the three Cs
of journalism. I wasn't in Washington for the JTM gathering that paralleled
the AEJMC meeting, but I think Peggy does a good job of drawing a parallel
between the these three Cs and what the group identified in DC.
I look forward to the continuation of this discussion.
Aldon
It is great to see you on this list. It was the interview you did with
Rick Green together with my discussions with Doug Hardy that prompted my
blog post and some of the discussion on this list.
I do hope that the Bristol Press doesn't end up getting shutdown, because
I do believe there is an importance in maintaining paper distribution of
news. Also, Doug commented on my note as it appeared on Facebook about the
importance of maintaining the institutional knowledge that so many great
reporters around Connecticut have.
I'm in pretty bad shape financially, so I can't help on that front, but
you can count on me to help in whatever ways possible.
While I'm responding, I should comment about Peggy's message. I met
Peggy at JTM Memphis, I believe it was, and some of the thinking there
informs my writing about what I'm currently thinking about as the three Cs
of journalism. I wasn't in Washington for the JTM gathering that paralleled
the AEJMC meeting, but I think Peggy does a good job of drawing a parallel
between the these three Cs and what the group identified in DC.
I look forward to the continuation of this discussion.
Aldon
Michelle Ferrier
Nov 21, 2008, 3:11:22 PM11/21/08
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I don't know if you all have contemplated a platform, but the students and faculty at the University of Tennessee have a news platform they've built at http://tnjn.com/. They are actively building a network of colleges and universities to join in a student "Associated Press" like platform and are giving away their open-source software for free to any college and university to use.
I've known Jim Stovall since he took over www.ehcwired.com, one of the first independent online student news publications that I developed back in 2001 at Emory & Henry College. Jim has since moved on to UT, but is passionate about educating young journalists for the new news ecology.
Contact him for your Central Connecticut project and tell him I sent you.
Jim Stovall
School of Journalism and Electronic Media
College of Communication and Information
University of Tennessee
Knoxville, TN 37996-0333
865.974.1358
sto...@utk.edu
Good luck!
Michelle Ferrier
Managing Editor, Online Community Hubs
Columnist, Daytona Beach News-Journal
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From: jtm...@googlegroups.com [mailto:jtm...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Collins
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:00 PM
To: Journalism That Matters
I've known Jim Stovall since he took over www.ehcwired.com, one of the first independent online student news publications that I developed back in 2001 at Emory & Henry College. Jim has since moved on to UT, but is passionate about educating young journalists for the new news ecology.
Contact him for your Central Connecticut project and tell him I sent you.
Jim Stovall
School of Journalism and Electronic Media
College of Communication and Information
University of Tennessee
Knoxville, TN 37996-0333
865.974.1358
sto...@utk.edu
Good luck!
Michelle Ferrier
Managing Editor, Online Community Hubs
Columnist, Daytona Beach News-Journal
Direct: (386) 681-2572
Tele: (386) 252-1511 ext. 2572
GoogleTalk: michelleferrier
Twitter: mediaghosts
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