Sorry to break this to you, Brent...
Kyle Curtis
Liberals and Atheists Smarter? Intelligent People Have Values Novel in Human Evolutionary History, Study Finds
ScienceDaily (Feb. 24, 2010) — More intelligent people are statistically significantly more likely to exhibit social values and religious and political preferences that are novel to the human species in evolutionary history. Specifically, liberalism and atheism, and for men (but not women), preference for sexual exclusivity correlate with higher intelligence, a new study finds.The study, published in the March 2010 issue of the peer-reviewed scientific journal Social Psychology Quarterly, advances a new theory to explain why people form particular preferences and values. The theory suggests that more intelligent people are more likely than less intelligent people to adopt evolutionarily novel preferences and values, but intelligence does not correlate with preferences and values that are old enough to have been shaped by evolution over millions of years."
"Evolutionarily novel" preferences and values are those that humans are not biologically designed to have and our ancestors probably did not possess. In contrast, those that our ancestors had for millions of years are "evolutionarily familiar."
"General intelligence, the ability to think and reason, endowed our ancestors with advantages in solving evolutionarily novel problems for which they did not have innate solutions," says Satoshi Kanazawa, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics and Political Science. "As a result, more intelligent people are more likely to recognize and understand such novel entities and situations than less intelligent people, and some of these entities and situations are preferences, values, and lifestyles."
An earlier study by Kanazawa found that more intelligent individuals were more nocturnal, waking up and staying up later than less intelligent individuals. Because our ancestors lacked artificial light, they tended to wake up shortly before dawn and go to sleep shortly after dusk. Being nocturnal is evolutionarily novel.
In the current study, Kanazawa argues that humans are evolutionarily designed to be conservative, caring mostly about their family and friends, and being liberal, caring about an indefinite number of genetically unrelated strangers they never meet or interact with, is evolutionarily novel. So more intelligent children may be more likely to grow up to be liberals.
Data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health) support Kanazawa's hypothesis. Young adults who subjectively identify themselves as "very liberal" have an average IQ of 106 during adolescence while those who identify themselves as "very conservative" have an average IQ of 95 during adolescence.
Similarly, religion is a byproduct of humans' tendency to perceive agency and intention as causes of events, to see "the hands of God" at work behind otherwise natural phenomena. "Humans are evolutionarily designed to be paranoid, and they believe in God because they are paranoid," says Kanazawa. This innate bias toward paranoia served humans well when self-preservation and protection of their families and clans depended on extreme vigilance to all potential dangers. "So, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to go against their natural evolutionary tendency to believe in God, and they become atheists."
Young adults who identify themselves as "not at all religious" have an average IQ of 103 during adolescence, while those who identify themselves as "very religious" have an average IQ of 97 during adolescence.
In addition, humans have always been mildly polygynous in evolutionary history. Men in polygynous marriages were not expected to be sexually exclusive to one mate, whereas men in monogamous marriages were. In sharp contrast, whether they are in a monogamous or polygynous marriage, women were always expected to be sexually exclusive to one mate. So being sexually exclusive is evolutionarily novel for men, but not for women. And the theory predicts that more intelligent men are more likely to value sexual exclusivity than less intelligent men, but general intelligence makes no difference for women's value on sexual exclusivity. Kanazawa's analysis of Add Health data supports these sex-specific predictions as well.
One intriguing but theoretically predicted finding of the study is that more intelligent people are no more or no less likely to value such evolutionarily familiar entities as marriage, family, children, and friends.
Brent Wolters
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should i do the same for the Mormons and their lil polygamist sects?...didn't think so...
Kyle Curtis
No, you can keep your faux-"wisdom." I'll just stick with intelligence.
Thanks, though.
Brent Wolters
The retirement would seem to give Republicans, who'd been targeting the seat anyway, a good opportunity for a pickup. The district leans to the GOP, and Massa won a close race in 2008, beating incumbent Republican Randy Kuhl by just 5,000 votes. Two years before that, Kuhl beat Massa by 6,000 votes.
Kyle Curtis
Are their more Republicans retiring from office than Democrats?
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In the end, here's what the history of this attempt to reform health care comes down to: Barack Obama did everything wrong.
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In the end, here's what the history of this attempt to reform health care comes down to: Barack Obama did everything wrong.
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Yes we can repair this world.
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Obama will go down in history as the guy who got the farthest with HC reform, whether it passes or not...(which it will most likely pass)...
so its still a failure on the Reps part isnt it?...he did everything wrong and yet still managed to shut out the Reps...SWEET!
Alex Romero
"Right-wing critics howl that using reconciliation to pass sweeping policy changes like health care is an abuse of power — the tactic, they say, is supposed to be limited to spending measures — but they're full of shit. Newt Gingrich used it to pass the Contract With America in the mid-1990s, and Tom DeLay used it to pass the Bush tax cuts in 2001 and 2003."
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But i think everyone knows the true losers are...the right-wing-nuts, tea baggers and the whole Republican agenda...so keep living in that bubble...but we all know the truth. YOU LOSE.
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Kyle Curtis
What else is(n't) new?
Alex Romero
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Brent Wolters
SUBPRIME MORTGAGE CRISIS HITS WHOREHOUSES
It looks like Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes is on track to win
another endorsement from ACORN!
This week, Hynes announced that "no
criminality has been found" after his investigation of the videotapes made by
investigative journalists James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles, which show ACORN
employees counseling the pair on getting a mortgage for a house of prostitution.
(They got a choice of government loans: Phat Fannie Mae, Prince Freddie
Mac or Barney Fresh Daddy Frank ... aka "Sir Fix-A-Lot.")
I'm just glad
to know that Hynes conducted a thorough "investigation" first. Who did he have
screen the videotapes, Gov. Paterson?
If his investigators had actually
watched the videotapes, they would have found ACORN employees apparently
advising a pimp and prostitute on how to defraud mortgage lenders, deposit
prostitution money in a bank, hide money from the government and avoid detection
while running a whorehouse with teenage girls from El Salvador.
I'm not
a lawyer -- oh, wait, yes, I am -- but I count approximately a half-dozen state
law crimes being discussed on those tapes, from money laundering to advancing
prostitution.
In a "Eureka" moment, ACORN Employee-of-the-Month Volda
Albert identifies for O'Keefe and Giles the problem they had been having getting
a mortgage:
Albert: Um, is it legalized? Is prostitution legalized in
New York state?
O'Keefe: It's not. It's not, unfortunately.
Albert: Well see, that's your problem.
As ACORN employee
Milagros Rivera said, "You can't say what you do for a living because of the
law." But displaying ACORN's can-do attitude, she explained: "Honest is not
going to get you a house."
ACORN employees helped concoct a scheme to
hide from the lender the source of O'Keefe and Giles' down payment money. Albert
suggested that O'Keefe "pay a down payment -- or (Giles) can transfer to
somebody else, who is not in that business ... a close friend, then (Giles) can
transfer that, and then he can give you, like, a gift to purchase."
Under New York law, hiding the true source of down payment money from a
lender constitutes mortgage fraud. Also, using the proceeds of criminal conduct
in any banking transaction is money laundering.
Does anybody need a flow
chart at this point, or should I continue?
To help Giles hide her income
from turning tricks, ACORN employee Albert advised Giles to open two banking
accounts, depositing no more than $500 per week in each one. (This would not
only enable her to conceal her illegal earnings, it would also qualify her for
free checking.)
But Albert's most inspired idea was that Giles get a
"house with a backyard. You get a tin can ... and bury (your money) down in
there, and you put the money right in, and you put grass over it, and you don't
tell a single soul but yourself where it is."
Back when I was in
Louisiana, we advised people to put their illegal money in the freezer, but that
didn't work out so well. And I guess putting your money in a mattress isn't
advisable if you live in a whorehouse.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHA
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Alex Romero
Acorn Exonerated + O'Keefe Busted = You FAIL!
BWAHAHAHAHA
Im sure in yer Bizarro world, and Anne Cunter editorial about ACORN is proof...but here, nada, zilch, nothing.
Brent Wolters
Why would democrats not want to be seen with our overwhelmingly popular president...especially with a big election in only 8 months?
Alex Romero
Why would democrats not want to be seen with our overwhelmingly popular president...especially with a big election in only 8 months?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8556659.stm
How paedophile priest was allowed to evade justice
Watch Olenka Frenkiel's investigation in full
Former priest Bill Carney was named as one of the worst cases in Dublin's Catholic diocese in the Murphy report into clerical abuse there. However, for the last 10 years he has been free to live quietly in Britain.
Newsnight's Olenka Frenkiel has investigated his case and tracked him down in the Canary Islands.
Carney used to invite children to his house in Ayrfield to watch videos
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All the children in Ayrfield, Dublin, knew fun-loving Father Bill Carney - not just the altar boys and those who met him through school, but members of the Scout troop he ran and the groups of local children he took swimming.
His door was always open, there was a ready supply of Coke in the fridge and in the 1980s he had the very latest thing to lure youngsters in - a video player.
Adults disapproved of his swearing and crazy driving, but the Catholic Church was still so trusted, no-one suspected the truth about him.
Bridie Dwyer still lives in Ayrfield. Above the fireplace, with other family photographs is a picture of her youngest child, Paul, on his first Communion day.
At the age of 13 Paul went with other boys to watch videos at Father Carney's house and to have a sleepover, Mrs Dwyer told me. But at 2am Paul unexpectedly returned home.
"Thought you were going for a sleepover?" she recalled asking him as he pushed past her. "Didn't want to stay," he replied and shut his door.
Carney is accused of raping Paul Dwyer when Paul was 13
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"That's when he'd been raped," Mrs Dwyer told me, "but I didn't know".
What no-one, except Carney's bishop and the local police, knew was that the priest was a paedophile.
The Murphy report into the cover up by the Catholic Church and Irish state of clerical sex abuse was published in November 2009.
It described Carney as "a serial sexual abuser of children, male and female", saying that there had been complaints and suspicions "in respect of 32 named individuals" about him, adding that "there is evidence he abused many more children".
'Child in his bed'
Michael Wheeler, who as a boy was one of Carney's altar servers, said that following the report a strange but vivid memory from when he was young suddenly made sense.
He told me that when he was nine years old Carney was late for Mass one day, so, fearful that he might not turn up, he ran into the priest's house and called his name.
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"I heard a groan," he said, "and I saw in the bedroom, a boy, a little older than me, naked between the sheets.
"This boy sat up, stared groggily at me, and fell back into the bed. I was terrified and ran out. As a child I couldn't understand why he was there. Now I know."
We now know that complaints about Carney were diverted away from the Irish criminal justice system to Bishop James Kavanagh, a man described by the Murphy Report as someone with "a soft spot for Carney".
Kavanagh did what he could to protect Carney from the law to avoid scandal for the Church.
One conscientious policeman, praised in the Murphy Report, did investigate complaints and they came to court. But the press were kept away as Carney pleaded guilty to two counts of indecent assault and got probation.
Six families were paid compensation and Carney was soon back working, with access to children.
Paid to leave parish
Carney got married in Scotland in 2004
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In its 40 pages on Carney, the Murphy report said that his was one of the worst cases the commission investigated and that the Church's handling of his case was "nothing short of catastrophic".
"It was inept, self-serving and for the best part of 10 years displayed no obvious concern for the welfare of children," the report said.
In 1992, the Church convicted Carney internally, under Canon law, of child sexual abuse.
But this compulsive paedophile refused to leave the parish house. So the Church paid him £30,000 to go away.
He moved to Cheltenham and then to Scotland, where he has lived for the last 10 years running a family-friendly guest house in St Andrews.
Back in Dublin, it took Bridie's son Paul Dwyer 21 years to come forward, but in 2004 he told the police about his rape.
The police said they had received two other complaints like his and sent the file to the Irish director of public prosecutions (DPP), but the DPP said there was not enough evidence to prosecute.
"So the case stopped," his mother told me, "and, a couple of weeks later Paul committed suicide. He couldn't handle it any more.
"He wanted Carney in court so he could ask him why, why had Carney raped him? That never happened and the way things are going, the way the police and the clergy are handling it now I can't see it ever happening," she added.
No warnings given
That same year, in Scotland, Carney got married.
Newsnight has established that the Irish authorities knew his address but no-one, either from the Church or the Irish state, thought to warn his new wife about his past, or protect any children who might be at risk.
Nothing was done to prevent him leaving, as usual, for his winter holiday in the Canary Islands, a popular destination for families with children, and no-one warned the local police.
The Murphy report quotes a psychiatric assessment which says he suffers from a "psychopathic personality disorder".
"His refusal to acknowledge his paedophilia," it said, "means the prognosis for a cure is bleak".
Confronted over abuse
I tracked Carney down in the Canary Islands, first at a restaurant on the sea front and then to the flat where he was staying, to ask about the abuse.
He refused to comment on the Murphy report, saying he had not read it.
He claimed that when he pleaded guilty to child sex abuse in 1983 it was not because he was guilty, but because: "I was told if I plead guilty the press would be kept away."
When I asked "Why did you rape Paul Dwyer?" his response was: "Rape. I'd like to explain that. Put it into context."
Bishop James Kavanagh protected Carney from the law
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What kind of context, I asked, could excuse the rape of a child? But he did not answer.
And when I asked "Are you still abusing children?" his answer begged more questions.
"I haven't done that in 26 years and I have had no inclination," he said. But he refused to be drawn on whether that was admission that he had abused before.
Assistant Garda Commissioner John O'Mahoney has been assigned the task of investigating whether anyone should be prosecuted as a result of the revelations in the Murphy report.
These investigations, his office has said, are ongoing.
In Britain, the Home Office said that because Carney's two convictions for indecent assault pre-date the 2003 Sex Offender's Act and took place in Ireland he would not be on the Sex Offenders Register and would pass unseen through the new stricter vetting procedures for child protection.
Carney meanwhile remains free to disappear beneath the radar.
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"Even worse for the church are two issues that may directly involve Pope Benedict XVI himself. One is that in 2001, when he was still Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he signed an ill-phrased document that appears to order that child-abuse cases be dealt with in secret."
http://www.economist.com/world/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15731518&source=hptextfeature
Evil orders
The growing scandal about child abuse reaches the top of the Vatican
Mar 18th 2010 | ROME | From The Economist print edition
A SUBTLY disquieting photograph greets visitors to the website of the northern Italian diocese of Bozen-Brixen. The dark recesses of a sunken passageway end in a flight of steps leading to daylight. A click leads to an e-mail address for reporting sexual or physical abuse by priests. The first person to use it spoke anonymously to the newspaper Corriere della Sera. As a wartime evacuee, he recalled how a village curate “felt my trousers, tried to kiss me and asked me to caress him”. His younger brother told him the priest was still molesting boys 13 years later.
The web initiative has recently been praised as an exercise in openness and may be extended to other parts of Italy. Yet the e-mail address had long been on the site, and came to prominence only amid the mushrooming worldwide scandal involving hundreds of people molested by priests or in church-run institutions.
The scandal is more widespread than the one that swept through the United States in recent years, costing the church up to $2 billion in compensation payments. In recent weeks at least 350 victims have come forward in the Netherlands, along with around 300 more in Germany and Austria. In Brazil a priest and two monsignors have just been suspended from their church duties following allegations of involvement in the making of a sex video involving a youth. Most of the cases date back to a time when the church was less aware of the terrible harm caused by sexual abuse (see article) and before it had introduced stricter controls. But many old scandals touch clergy alive today. Some are now in positions of great responsibility. One is the primate of Ireland, Cardinal Sean Brady, who admits taking part in a grotesque inquiry in 1975 when two children, reportedly aged 10 and 14, were made to swear secrecy about their ordeal. Their abuser, though inculpated by the church, was never reported to the police.
Even worse for the church are two issues that may directly involve Pope Benedict XVI himself. One is that in 2001, when he was still Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he signed an ill-phrased document that appears to order that child-abuse cases be dealt with in secret. Catholic leaders say it refers only to canon-law procedures and does not preclude criminal charges.
Secondly, while archbishop of Munich from 1977 to 1982, his diocese accepted a paedophile cleric who was supposedly intended to undergo therapy. But the priest (who for legal reasons may not be identified in media that can be read in Germany) was assigned to a parish where he taught at a school and abused at least one more child. The pontiff’s then deputy has taken the blame for the decision and says the future pope knew nothing about it.
After being convicted in 1986, the Bavarian priest was banned from working with children but not unfrocked. Two years ago he was sent to yet another parish where by last summer he was saying mass at a camp site for young people. It was only on March 15th, three days after the archdiocese released details of his case, that he was suspended for breaking the ban. His boss, the parish priest in Bad Tölz, in deeply Catholic rural Bavaria, said he had never been told of the offending cleric’s past. The previous day brought dramatic scenes at the parish church, as members of the congregation barracked a replacement priest taking the mass. Some walked out.
The pope’s response to this and other cases is attracting criticism, including from prominent laymen such as Wolfgang Thierse, a former Social Democrat president of Germany’s lower house of parliament, the Bundestag. He said: “The church needs to be more honest and stricter with itself, and that naturally includes the pope.” One lay organisation has even called on Pope Benedict to resign. Germany’s chancellor, Angela Merkel, demanded “truth and clarity about everything that has happened”.
The head of the German Bishops’ Conference, Archbishop Robert Zollitsch, said after briefing him on March 12th that the pope had listened with “great shock, keen interest and deep sadness”. But in some eyes, that is not enough, for a man who before his election as supreme pontiff implied that he wanted to sweep out the “filth” from the church. A Catholic lay movement noted sharply that he did not send a message of sympathy to the latest victims. That stokes suspicions that the Vatican still puts its own prestige and secrecy above solace for the abused.
Indeed, the pope’s main pronouncement on the affair has been on a different front: to reject, apparently out of hand, a suggested reform that some feel would deal with the roots of the problem. The cardinal archbishop of Vienna, Christoph Schönborn, first advanced, then hastily disowned, a proposal for reconsidering priestly celibacy. This is obligatory for priests of the main Roman church (but not for former Anglican clerics, or for most of the priests in Eastern-rite churches that also come under papal authority). The pope declared that celibacy was not to be sacrificed for “passing cultural fashions”.
Comments by his officials have shown little appreciation of the scope and depth of the crisis. No working group or individual is fully in charge of clearing up the mess. Nor has any systematic explanation been forthcoming of the (numerous but piecemeal) steps already taken, ranging from compensation for victims to new rules on child protection. Instead the papal spokesman has hinted at an anti-Catholic plot and complained that the church is being unfairly treated because paedophiles are at least as common in other walks of life. That sits oddly with the Church’s claim to represent God on earth and with the trust and respect it expects from the faithful, particularly from children (exemplified in the priestly title, “Father”).
Much hope now rests on a pastoral letter that the pope is preparing for Catholics in Ireland. Speaking to pilgrims on March 17th, he said he hoped it would help “repentance, healing and renewal” of a “severely shaken” church. A second test concerns Cardinal Brady. He said on March 15th that when he helped to silence a sex offender’s victims, he was “doing what I was required to do.” That sounds a bit like the notoriously flimsy defence of “only obeying orders” which goes down especially badly with Germans. Removing the Irish primate, who has said he will only go if the pope requests it, could signal that the era of cover-ups is finally over.
Kyle Curtis
Alex Romero <axm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Seems like this "wisdom" goes all the way to the Pope!
>
>"Even worse for the church are two issues that may directly involve Pope
>Benedict XVI himself. One is that in 2001, when he was still Cardinal Joseph
>Ratzinger, he signed an ill-phrased document that appears to order that
>child-abuse cases be dealt with in secret."
>
>
>http://www.economist.com/world/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15731518&source=hptextfeature
>
>Evil orders The growing scandal about child abuse reaches the top of the
>Vatican
>
>Mar 18th 2010 | ROME | From *The Economist* print edition
>
>A SUBTLY disquieting photograph greets visitors to the website of the
>northern Italian diocese of Bozen-Brixen. The dark recesses of a sunken
>passageway end in a flight of steps leading to daylight. A click leads to an
>e-mail address for reporting sexual or physical abuse by priests. The first
>person to use it spoke anonymously to the newspaper *Corriere della Sera*.
>As a wartime evacuee, he recalled how a village curate “felt my trousers,
>tried to kiss me and asked me to caress him”. His younger brother told him
>the priest was still molesting boys 13 years later.
>
>The web initiative has recently been praised as an exercise in openness and
>may be extended to other parts of Italy. Yet the e-mail address had long
>been on the site, and came to prominence only amid the mushrooming worldwide
>scandal involving hundreds of people molested by priests or in church-run
>institutions.
>
>The scandal is more widespread than the one that swept through the United
>States in recent years, costing the church up to $2 billion in compensation
>payments. In recent weeks at least 350 victims have come forward in the
>Netherlands, along with around 300 more in Germany and Austria. In Brazil a
>priest and two monsignors have just been suspended from their church duties
>following allegations of involvement in the making of a sex video involving
>a youth. Most of the cases date back to a time when the church was less
>aware of the terrible harm caused by sexual abuse (see
>article<http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15720386>)
Alex Romero
And Kyle, do you see any wisdom in the acts of the Catholics?...i mean we know they aren't intelligent...but wise?...i don't think so!...I'll hit the Evangelicals next...I think Brent is one of those...as he never says anything except he is the next Moses...then its hard to say.
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enuf said...Catholics...bad?...check...on to the Evangelicals!
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Bush would've been a hero if he misspelled Syracuse. It would've shown "how much in touch he was with the common man."
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Its so tough right now for you Brent I know, I know, poor baby....yes the mis spelled word was wrong...you need a hug?
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Rep. Earl Pomeroy, a North Dakota Democrat - is apparently undecided on his vote. To my understanding, undecided currently means "What have you done for me lately?" and not "Is this for the good of the American People as a whole". In the "not so surprising transparent back room dealings", Representative Earl Pomeroy has secured a tidy little money making deal for his state - the entire United States Federal Student Loan Program.
According to The Washington Times article "A North Dakota payoff attempt for a health care bill 'yea'?
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Back room deals?...Republicans are kings of this...just look into the Oil Companies and Shrub...viola...back room deals...so if its good enough for your party Then its good enough for the country...
sorry but you are still losing and furthermore you don't have any idea what HC reform is gonna cost this country...HC reform could boost our economy!...you don't have a clue!...no one does, but the speculation is not that the US will collapse financially in the world market?..Shrub already did that....We do know how lame the Bush administration was, because the truth is coming out right now, and its not good...in 10 years when you couldn't pry HC from the American people if you tried, maybe then you will admit defeat.
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Alex Romero
I love how Obama is fixing EVERYTHING Bush ever tried to do....HAHAHAHA...2012? Bush is getting gutted right NOW!...BWAHAHAHAHAHA
One question Brent?...is there anything left of Bush's policy that ISNT getting gutted?
Brent Wolters
Oh and the PAI is at -21... Of course that is coming from Rasmussen so it can be easily dismissed as biased...even though they have one of the best polling firms when it comes to actual results. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_pollWhether HC passes or not, it's going to be a democrat bloodbath in 2010 and 2012.
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Alex Romero
And didn't you predict HC reform wouldn't happen, yet it is...hmmm...seems, from your track record on predictions, that 2010 and 2012 will do exactly the opposite of what you say...so yap it up...no credibility here.
So again I ask, Is there any Bush Policy left that Obama isn't fixing?....didn't think so
Back to the Mayan Calendar with ya!...soon the Mayans and the Republicans will suffer the same thing...extinction...BWAHAHAHAHA
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Alex Romero
Officer: "Zee Americans are at zee door my Fuhrer....What should we do?"
Hitler: "Light ourselves on FIRE!...THAT WILL SHOW THEM"
Officer: "Right Away...(Spark)...ARGHHHHH"
Go Light yourself on Fire Brent...BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Daniel Curtis
Alex Romero
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20000771-503544.html
Read some of the comments...as its not on Fox News, the real America is speaking in the comments...
Glenn Beck, Steve King: Health Care Bill Vote an Affront to God
Conservative lawmakers and pundits already have many grievances against the Democratic health care reform plan, but Rep. Steve King of Iowa and Fox News personality Glenn Beck are adding one more to the list -- the vote scheduled for Sunday.
Democrats are scrambling to get the bill to the president before leaving for Easter recess, prompting the House to schedule a vote for the bill this Sunday.
"They intend to vote on the Sabbath, during Lent, to take away the liberty that we have right from God," King said on Beck's radio program Thursday, the Hill reports.
Beck chimed in, "Here is a group of people that have so perverted our faith and our hope and our charity, that is a -- this is an affront to God."
"I think that it is absolutely appropriate that these people are trying to put the nail in the coffin on our country on a Sunday," he added, "something our founders would have never, ever, ever done. Out of respect for God."
The liberal blog Think Progress points out the Senate in 2005, under Republican control, passed a bill on Palm Sunday that allowed a federal court to intervene in the Terri Schiavo case, the controversial case surrounding keeping a brain dead woman on life support.
Alex Romero
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/19/doc-fix-memo-of-unknown-o_n_506335.html
Best Part:
"The memo is a fake," Kristie Greco, a spokesman for Majority Leader James Clyburn (D-S.C.), told Grim. "It's an under-handed and unethical attempt to distract from the health care debate. If opponents of health insurance reform had a credible policy alternative they wouldn't have to resort to nefarious games."...BOKSHAYA!
'Doc Fix' Memo Of Unknown Origin Circulates, Trips Up Politico
First Posted: 03-19-10 03:10 PM | Updated: 03-19-10 04:59 PM
HuffPost's Ryan Grim and TPM's Christina Bellantoni both report that Democratic aides are claiming that a memorandum suggesting that Democrats have plans to make substantial changes to Medicare if health care reform passes is a hoax. (Grim was actually handed the memo by a spokesman for Republican Minority Leader John Boehner.)
Naturally, this went right from Politico to the Drudge Report, where the link read at the time this was written: "LEAKED: Secret Dem plan to add $371 BILLION MORE to health mess..." [UPDATE: The link is now down from Drudge.]
"The memo is a fake," Kristie Greco, a spokesman for Majority Leader James Clyburn (D-S.C.), told Grim. "It's an under-handed and unethical attempt to distract from the health care debate. If opponents of health insurance reform had a credible policy alternative they wouldn't have to resort to nefarious games."
Democratic aides insisted to Bellantoni that it's a trick:
"We have checked with every Democratic office, no one has ever seen it. It did not come out of a Democratic office," the aide said, adding that media outlets printing the memo have not checked with leadership offices if the memo is authentic. A second Democratic leadership aide confirmed the memo was not sent by the Democrats. A third Democratic aide also said the memo is fake, citing the "draft" stamp and saying no one uses such things.
"If this were a Democratic communications person who wrote this, they should be fired, because this looks like Republican talking points," the third Democratic aide told TPMDC.
Politico has now retracted its original post on the memo. Its current entry reads:
An earlier post in this spot detailed what was purported by Republicans to be an internal Democratic memo regarding the upcoming health reform vote Sunday. Democratic leadership has challenged the authenticity of the memo. POLITICO has removed the memo and the details about it until we can absolutely verify the document's origin.
Of course, if you look at Politico's URL, it reads: "http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/EXCLUSIVE__Democrats_plan_doc_fix_after_reform.html?showall". So Politico got an memo, never verified the source or it's authenticity, stamped it as an exclusive, and fed it to the Drudge Report. By contrast, The Hill's Mike O'Brien tweets: "TPM reporting Dems say the big healthcare memo is a hoax. Full disclosure: We had a copy, opted not to publish."
Brent Wolters
Subject: Re: Obummer or Odumber...
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Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net> wrote:
>CORRECTION: "If congress would listen to the American people, opponents of
>ObummerCare wouldn't have to resort to nefarious games."
>
>Subject: Re: Obummer or Odumber...
>
>
>It is the best day ever!...the Reps are trying every underhanded trick in
>the book!
>
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/19/doc-fix-memo-of-unknown-o_n_506335.
>html
>
>Best Part:
>
>"The memo is a fake," Kristie Greco, a spokesman for Majority Leader James
>Clyburn (D-S.C.), told Grim. "It's an under-handed and unethical attempt to
>distract from the health care debate. If opponents of health insurance
>reform had a credible policy alternative they wouldn't have to resort to
>nefarious games."...BOKSHAYA!
>
>
>'Doc
><http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/19/doc-fix-memo-of-unknown-o_n_506335
>.html> Fix' Memo Of Unknown Origin Circulates, Trips Up Politico
>
>
>First Posted: 03-19-10 03:10 PM | Updated: 03-19-10 04:59 PM
>
>
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>HuffPost's Ryan Grim
><http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/19/doc-fix-memo-fake-health_n_506338.
>html> and TPM's Christina Bellantoni
><http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/03/health-care-wars-on-capitol-hill
>-as-dems-cry-doc-fix-memo-is-a-fake.php> both report that Democratic aides
>are claiming that a memorandum suggesting that Democrats have plans to make
>substantial changes to Medicare if health care reform passes is a hoax.
>(Grim was actually handed the memo by a spokesman for Republican Minority
>Leader John Boehner.)
>
>Naturally, this went right from Politico to the Drudge Report, where the
>link read at the time this was written: "LEAKED: Secret Dem plan to add $371
>BILLION MORE to health mess..." [UPDATE: The link is now down from Drudge.]
>
>"The memo is a fake," Kristie Greco, a spokesman for Majority Leader James
>Clyburn (D-S.C.), told Grim. "It's an under-handed and unethical attempt to
>distract from the health care debate. If opponents of health insurance
>reform had a credible policy alternative they wouldn't have to resort to
>nefarious games."
>
>Democratic aides insisted to Bellantoni that it's a trick:
>
>"We have checked with every Democratic office, no one has ever seen it. It
>did not come out of a Democratic office," the aide said, adding that media
>outlets printing the memo have not checked with leadership offices if the
>memo is authentic. A second Democratic leadership aide confirmed the memo
>was not sent by the Democrats. A third Democratic aide also said the memo is
>fake, citing the "draft" stamp and saying no one uses such things.
>
>
>"If this were a Democratic communications person who wrote this, they should
>be fired, because this looks like Republican talking points," the third
>Democratic aide told TPMDC.
>
>
><http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/EXCLUSIVE__Democrats_plan_doc_fix_af
>ter_reform.html?showall> Politico has now retracted its original post on the
>memo. Its current entry reads:
>
>An earlier post in this spot detailed what was purported by Republicans to
>be an internal Democratic memo regarding the upcoming health reform vote
>Sunday. Democratic leadership has challenged the authenticity of the memo.
>POLITICO has removed the memo and the details about it until we can
>absolutely verify the document's origin.
>
>Of course, if you look at Politico's URL, it reads:
>"http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0310/EXCLUSIVE__Democrats_plan_doc_fix_af
>ter_reform.html?showall". So Politico got an memo, never verified the source
>or it's authenticity, stamped it as an exclusive, and fed it to the Drudge
>Report. By contrast, <http://twitter.com/MPOTheHill/status/10736362232> The
Alex Romero
Brent Wolters
Noah Walden
Alex Romero
Noah pegged it...but I would only add...if you give 39 million people HC who didn't have it before...then they need people to bill and handle claims, Salesmen to take on these new clients, Doctors and Nurses to provide the Care...wouldn't that boost the job numbers?...those 130 economists, (ehem BULLSHIT), should look into that..
Brent Wolters
Subject: Re: Jobs, jobs, jobs???...
Brent Wolters
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Subject: Re: Jobs, jobs, jobs???...
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Alex Romero
But people who are too sick to work well they don't deserve to be raked over the coals for insurance company profits, just to get meds and stay alive...thats Pay or Die (life savings or not you would go broke just trying to stay healthy)....those who are unemployed can still function and don't have to over pay any doctors...and no Giant company is taking their money because they paid off some politicians to grease the wheels...Sorry Chumly...wrong again....
I dont understand this question tho Tubby:
Alex Romero
Alex Romero
http://washingtonindependent.com/79800/a-strange-call-from-reid-to-vote-on-the-public-option-later
A Strange Call From Reid to Vote on the Public Option … Later
What began as one of the most controversial issues of the months-long health care debate continues to be so: The public option — a government-backed insurance plan designed to compete with private companies — wasn’t included as part of the Democrats’ reconciliation bill, sending some liberals through the roof.
Yesterday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) attempted to appease some of the chamber’s most ardent public option supporters, vowing to hold a separate vote on the issue later this year, the Huffington Post reported today. In a letter to Sens. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Reid said he was “very disappointed” that the Democrats didn’t have the votes to keep the provision as part of the reform bills.
“I remain committed to pursuing the public option,” Reid wrote.
Alex Romero
could it be that they pay lobbyists to tweak the Federal regulations to keep taxes low?
Yep: http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/mediapolitics/4264.html
He joined Illinois-based Clark Consulting in 2002. His blue-chip client list on tax issues there is the best in town. Caterpillar, Michelin, and Microsoft all count on Kies to keep their taxes low in a political atmosphere that could require all of Kies’s contacts and experience.
uhhhh maybe they should stop paying that money then? (its not working)...and invest in the HC of the Employees they feel sooooo bad about...{SARC}
I gots one thing to say to Caterpillar: Cry Me A River and Pay Up you corporate whore you!
Brent Wolters
Hey Look Brent, the people will get what they want....Later....sweet dude, ask and you shall receive!
http://washingtonindependent.com/79800/a-strange-call-from-reid-to-vote-on-the-public-option-later
A Strange Call From Reid to Vote on the Public Option … Later
By Mike Lillis 3/19/10 3:43 PMWhat began as one of the most controversial issues of the months-long health care debate continues to be so: The public option — a government-backed insurance plan designed to compete with private companies — wasn’t included as part of the Democrats’ reconciliation bill, sending some liberals through the roof.
Yesterday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Ned.) attempted to appease some of the chamber’s most ardent public option supporters, vowing to hold a separate vote on the issue later this year, the Huffington Post reported today. In a letter to Sens. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Reid said he was “very disappointed” that the Democrats didn’t have the votes to keep the provision as part of the reform bills.
“I remain committed to pursuing the public option,” Reid wrote.
Alex Romero
Reps cant come into a public option plan with high poll numbers...then throw their monkey wrenches in and ruin it, then say its not what folks want...Sorry but the Pathetic little lies are all on your end there Fat Stuff.
Juneau Smog
Alex Romero
here is the link that says 78% of Nevadans want the Public option...we already slammed you on this...nice try
Brent Wolters
Subject: Re: Obummer or Odumber...
Brent Wolters
Alex Romero
but don't you worry...the public option is coming...back to the sand box! FFS
Alex Romero
Alex Romero
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704094304575028820708323574.html
stop paying the lobbyists!...your getting ripped off Caterpillar!
Brent Wolters
Subject: RE: Obummer or Odumber...HC might pass, but at what cost? Does it really matter? The GOP will gut it in 2012. And why all the backroom deals? If this is truly the right thing to do...and if this is really what the American people want...then why am I reading about Trillion dollar payoffs to the Bank of North Dakota?Rep. Earl Pomeroy, a North Dakota Democrat - is apparently undecided on his vote. To my understanding, undecided currently means "What have you done for me lately?" and not "Is this for the good of the American People as a whole". In the "not so surprising transparent back room dealings", Representative Earl Pomeroy has secured a tidy little money making deal for his state - the entire United States Federal Student Loan Program.
According to The Washington Times article "A North Dakota payoff attempt for a health care bill 'yea'?
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Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:18 AM
To: js...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Obummer or Odumber...
So lets see HC reform coming this week, Jobs bill Done, Winning War...but misspelled a word!...FUCK IT...GET HIM OUT! {SARC}
Its so tough right now for you Brent I know, I know, poor baby....yes the mis spelled word was wrong...you need a hug?
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Juneau Smog <junea...@gmail.com> wrote:
I was sitting here just off the coast of California where 59% of those under 20 years old believe Alaska actually exists, wondering if I could spell Syrocuse myself.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Kyle Curtis <calic...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well I don't like him anymore.
Bush would've been a hero if he misspelled Syracuse. It would've shown "how much in touch he was with the common man."
Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>We already know that Obummer can't do percentages. And he can barely speak
>w/o a teleprompter and now we discover that the gaffe master can't even
>spell "Syracuse"...
>
>(fwd to 2:45)
>http://www.thefoxnation.com/espn/2010/03/18/did-obama-misspell-syracuse-espn
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Alex Romero
How about some proof that didn't come from someone using Asian Porn as a metaphor...BWAHAHAHAHA...
Your losing...and on monday we can officially call you a LOSER...BWAHAHAHA
Alex Romero
39 million folks is alot of new revenue for alot of different types of things...BOOKSHYA!...put that in your ass and rotate Brent!
Kyle Curtis
Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net> wrote:
>"ObamaCare will result in the creation of at least 16,500 new jobs. Doctors?
>Nurses? ...
>
>http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=527933
>
>Subject: RE: Obummer or Odumber...
>
>
>HC might pass, but at what cost? Does it really matter? The GOP will gut
>it in 2012. And why all the backroom deals? If this is truly the right
>thing to do...and if this is really what the American people want...then why
>am I reading about Trillion dollar payoffs to the Bank of North Dakota?
>
>Rep. Earl Pomeroy, a North Dakota Democrat - is apparently undecided on his
>vote. To my understanding, undecided currently means "What have you done
>for me lately?" and not "Is this for the good of the American People as a
>whole". In the "not so surprising transparent back room dealings",
>Representative Earl Pomeroy has secured a tidy little money making deal for
>his state - the entire United States Federal Student Loan Program.
>
>According to The Washington Times article "
><http://www.washingtontime.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/mar/19/another-nebra
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><http://www.washingtontime.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/mar/19/another-nebra
>ska-payoff-attempt-health-care-bill-y/> North Dakota payoff attempt for a
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The US government has developed an operating system which will soon be rolled out to the rest of the nation. It will be free to all US citizens, and every citizen will be required to install it. Known as “Obamaware,” this software will not be perfect at first, but the US government has promised to fix it once it’s installed.
Citizens will be allowed to keep their current operating systems if they are happy with them. However, they must install Obamaware alongside their current operating systems. Installation of Obamaware will disable all non government-approved applications, but your computer will continue to run government-approved software.
Optimum system requirements for Obamaware include 286, 386, and 486 processors. These are the computers for which you cannot otherwise obtain an operating system. Faster computers, such as anything developed after 1996, will experience a decrease in performance. This is by design. It is to help equalize the processing power for all computers so they do not overwhelm the nation’s network infrastructure. The performance degradation will only affect the top 2% of the fastest computers and any computer that is on the Internet as those fastest 2%.
Although initially resisting the OS distribution, Apple and Microsoft now support Obamaware. Although the details of the deal are unclear, it appears someone was promised ice cream.
The US government anticipates a small amount of civilian pushback to the Obamaware program. To address this pushback, Nancy Pelosi has issued the following statement:
“This program will be good for everyone. Many people are resisting now, because they like their current software. It is important we get Obamaware installed right away so they can see what surprises Obamaware has for your computer.”
The most difficult hurdle with the Obamaware program will be for those who do not own computers. The US government has developed a corresponding program to give those people free computer vouchers. These vouchers can be turned in to any ACORN office for a computer that had been donated to that office. The donation program is fully voluntary by owners of more than 2 computers. These owners will be fined $100 per day for each computer in their household beyond the allowed 2.
To address concerns about Obamaware, the US government will release the code for the operating system 72 hours before installations begin. Any US citizen is welcome to read the 1.8 billion lines of assembly code so they completely understand the software before rollout.
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Republicans Voting 'No' On Health Care Reform At Their Own Peril. Republican challengers may see a Democratic vote for health care reform as a genuine opportunity to unseat an incumbent, but Republicans could find themselves voting no at their own peril.
While much has been made of the downside of supporting the bill, little has been said about the risks of opposing the most sweeping health care reform in decades -- after all, there are millions of voters who are either uninsured, have preexisting conditions or otherwise will benefit from provisions in the bill.
Billy Kennedy, the Democrat opposing Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.), is one of the first to take advantage of a GOP no vote on health care.
"Virginia Foxx is betraying her constituents as she prepares to vote 'no' on the health care reform bill," Kennedy said in a statement. "It will be devastating for Northwestern North Carolina's working families if reform is not passed."
Kennedy cited recent figures released by the House Energy and Commerce Committee showing the benefits of the bill that Foxx is opposing: 12,000 people with preexisting conditions could get insurance; 119,000 Medicare beneficiaries would have the doughnut hole closed in their prescription coverage; 800 families would be kept from going bankrupt from medical costs; and more than 14,000 small businesses would be subsidized to provide health insurance to their employees.
One Foxx constituent challenged her at a recent town hall, saying he was tired of Washington's excuses for why health care reform couldn't pass.
The bill would extend coverage to 53,000 people in Foxx's district, according to the analysis. Meanwhile, Kennedy noted, Foxx benefits from taxpayer-funded health care.
"This health care bill has a lot of compromises on all sides," said Kennedy, who supports a public insurance option. "It's not perfect, but doing nothing is unacceptable."