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Jsmog

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Jul 5, 2007, 4:52:18 PM7/5/07
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Altitude Drop For Lieberman the Hawk

When Connecticut's voters returned him to the Senate as an Independent, a new power-broker, coveted equally by both parties, had been born. Yesterday it became clear just how much his influence has waned.

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Joe Lieberman and John McCain discuss the Iraq war back in 2005.


Early last week, a distressing, if not entirely unsurprising, Newsweek poll found that fully 40 percent of American adults continue to believe that Iraq was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks.

It must, then, have been this exasperating chunk of the electorate that Joe Lieberman had in mind when he declared Sunday on ABC's "This Week" that Democrats are doomed in the 2008 presidential race unless they re-embrace the Iraq War.

"I think that's the best tradition of our party, and if we don't recapture it ... the Democratic candidate is going to have a hard time winning that election next year," Mr. Lieberman said, likening his own hawkish Iraq posture to Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey, and Henry "Scoop" Jackson – all of them much too deceased to protest such a questionable comparison.

And if losing to the Republicans isn't enough, Mr. Lieberman also made clear that any Democratic nominee who favors "retreat" risks losing his  personal endorsement. After offering praise for Republicans John McCain and Rudy Giuliani for showing independence from their party's base (and conveniently ignoring the abuse Ron Paul has suffered from the G.O.P. establishment for his war opposition), Connecticut's junior Senator told ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "It does seem to me now that the leading Democratic candidates for President are competing with each other to see which one can more quickly pull more of our troops out of Iraq, while our troops are there fighting and now succeeding with a lot on the line for the future security of the United States of America."

In truth, the front-running Democratic candidates, all of whom favor a withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, are doing just fine ignoring Mr. Lieberman's electoral prescription. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards all generally hold leads over the most likely Republican nominees. Moreover, surveys show that voters lopsidedly prefer a generic, unnamed Democrat to an unnamed Republican for President. With President Bush's approval ratings in the toilet, thanks almost entirely to Iraq, the next election is the Democrats' to lose.

In all, Mr. Lieberman's "This Week" appearance lasted about 11 minutes, and if anything became clear in that time it's that his influence over the national political debate is waning – a decline that not many foresaw last November, when Connecticut's voters returned him to the Senate, prompting talk that a new power-broker, coveted equally by both parties, had been born.

Given the Senate's partisan balance – 49 Republicans, 49 Democrats (one still recuperating from a December cerebral hemorrhage), and two tie-breaking independents who caucus with the Democrats – Democrats are still technically at Mr. Lieberman's mercy, their fragile control of the chamber dependent on his continued willingness to live up to his campaign pledge to side with his old party for organizational purposes.

But it's now apparent that they need nothing more than that from him. Republicans have labored to portray Mr. Lieberman's defeat in last year's Senate primary as evidence that the Democratic Party has been over-run by weak-willed McGoverniks, a contention that Mr. Lieberman, in making reference to Democrats' past vulnerabilities on foreign policy and national security issues, sought to reinforce on Sunday.

That game, however, has ceased to work. In years past – 2004 and 2002, say – a public association with Mr. Lieberman was helpful to Democrats, a reassurance to a more hawkish electorate that they were as "tough" as the G.O.P. But in 2007, embracing Mr. Lieberman's intransigence is a decided political liability – evidenced most startlingly by a recent poll that found that even 58 percent of Republicans in Iowa want a troop withdrawal in the next six months. When, as he did on Sunday, Mr. Lieberman uses a national television interview to dust off old attacks on the Democratic Party's foreign policy credentials while at the same time actually declaring that "the surge is working," it only benefits his former party's standing with the war-wary public. There are few, if any Democrats, quaking at his threat to endorse a Republican in '08.



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Jenna

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Jul 5, 2007, 5:15:30 PM7/5/07
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Can Conneticut go on the POS list?

On 7/5/07, Jsmog <junea...@gmail.com> wrote:

When Connecticut's voters returned him to the Senate as an Independent, a new power-broker, coveted equally by both parties, had been born. Yesterday it became clear just how much his influence has waned.

0702kornacki.jpg

Photo: Getty Images

Joe Lieberman and John McCain discuss the Iraq war back in 2005.


Early last week, a distressing, if not entirely unsurprising, Newsweek poll found that fully 40 percent of American adults continue to believe that Iraq was directly involved in the 9/11 attacks.

It must, then, have been this exasperating chunk of the electorate that Joe Lieberman had in mind when he declared Sunday on ABC's "This Week" that Democrats are doomed in the 2008 presidential race unless they re-embrace the Iraq War.

"I think that's the best tradition of our party, and if we don't recapture it ... the Democratic candidate is going to have a hard time winning that election next year," Mr. Lieberman said, likening his own hawkish Iraq posture to Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey, and Henry "Scoop" Jackson - all of them much too deceased to protest such a questionable comparison.

And if losing to the Republicans isn't enough, Mr. Lieberman also made clear that any Democratic nominee who favors "retreat" risks losing his  personal endorsement. After offering praise for Republicans John McCain and Rudy Giuliani for showing independence from their party's base (and conveniently ignoring the abuse Ron Paul has suffered from the G.O.P. establishment for his war opposition), Connecticut's junior Senator told ABC's George Stephanopoulos: "It does seem to me now that the leading Democratic candidates for President are competing with each other to see which one can more quickly pull more of our troops out of Iraq, while our troops are there fighting and now succeeding with a lot on the line for the future security of the United States of America."

In truth, the front-running Democratic candidates, all of whom favor a withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, are doing just fine ignoring Mr. Lieberman's electoral prescription. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards all generally hold leads over the most likely Republican nominees. Moreover, surveys show that voters lopsidedly prefer a generic, unnamed Democrat to an unnamed Republican for President. With President Bush's approval ratings in the toilet, thanks almost entirely to Iraq, the next election is the Democrats' to lose.

In all, Mr. Lieberman's "This Week" appearance lasted about 11 minutes, and if anything became clear in that time it's that his influence over the national political debate is waning - a decline that not many foresaw last November, when Connecticut's voters returned him to the Senate, prompting talk that a new power-broker, coveted equally by both parties, had been born.

Given the Senate's partisan balance - 49 Republicans, 49 Democrats (one still recuperating from a December cerebral hemorrhage), and two tie-breaking independents who caucus with the Democrats - Democrats are still technically at Mr. Lieberman's mercy, their fragile control of the chamber dependent on his continued willingness to live up to his campaign pledge to side with his old party for organizational purposes.

But it's now apparent that they need nothing more than that from him. Republicans have labored to portray Mr. Lieberman's defeat in last year's Senate primary as evidence that the Democratic Party has been over-run by weak-willed McGoverniks, a contention that Mr. Lieberman, in making reference to Democrats' past vulnerabilities on foreign policy and national security issues, sought to reinforce on Sunday.

That game, however, has ceased to work. In years past - 2004 and 2002, say - a public association with Mr. Lieberman was helpful to Democrats, a reassurance to a more hawkish electorate that they were as "tough" as the G.O.P. But in 2007, embracing Mr. Lieberman's intransigence is a decided political liability - evidenced most startlingly by a recent poll that found that even 58 percent of Republicans in Iowa want a troop withdrawal in the next six months. When, as he did on Sunday, Mr. Lieberman uses a national television interview to dust off old attacks on the Democratic Party's foreign policy credentials while at the same time actually declaring that "the surge is working," it only benefits his former party's standing with the war-wary public. There are few, if any Democrats, quaking at his threat to endorse a Republican in '08.

Jsmog

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Jul 5, 2007, 5:27:04 PM7/5/07
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Conneticut has the highest average IQ rate over any other state. How does that compute?

Noah Walden

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Jul 6, 2007, 3:35:11 PM7/6/07
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Joe's brought home the bacon to CT for a long time, and a ton of people owe their jobs--in some case fortunes--to all the defense dollars he's funneled there. I doubt he'd beat Lamont today, but it's incredibly difficult to unseat a longterm senator, let alone one who's receiving many of the establishment dem votes along with all of the republican ones.
 
CT is about as liberal--and smart--as it gets. The fact that an unknown running soley as an anti-war candidate against Lieberman did as well as he did is a testament to that.
 
Lamont wouldn't have polled 10% in most of the country.

 

Jsmog

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Jul 6, 2007, 10:53:31 PM7/6/07
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Still, Lieberman's a flaming gaytard:
 
 
Lieberman may back Republican in '08 race

Thu Jul 5, 7:18 PM ET

HARTFORD, Connecticut (Reuters) - U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman, an independent who supports Democrats in Congress despite his backing of the Iraq war, said on Thursday he was not ruling out endorsing a Republican in the White House race.

The 2000 Democratic vice presidential candidate said he also wants to see if an independent enters the crowded field of 2008 presidential hopefuls.

"I'm going to chose whichever candidate that I think will do the best job for our country, regardless of the party affiliation of that candidate," the Connecticut senator told reporters in the state capital Hartford.

"I'm not going to get involved until after both parties have their presumptive nominees and, frankly, to see if there is a strong independent candidate," he said.

Lieberman was re-elected to a fourth Senate term in November as an independent in Connecticut after his support for the Iraq war cost him the backing of the Democratic Party. He continues to caucus with Democrats in the Senate.

Many Democrats last year abandoned Lieberman in favor of his Democratic rival, Ned Lamont, a millionaire and political outsider who ran on an anti-Iraq-war platform focused on public discontent over President George W. Bush's policies.

Lieberman, 65, described the 2008 presidential race as the most important election of his adult life.

"There's a lot on the line both in terms of the terrorist threat that we face but also all the things here at home that seem broken: our health-care system, our education system, the environmental problems we have," he said.

Jenna

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Jul 7, 2007, 3:21:25 PM7/7/07
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He's picked the dumbest political strategy ever. Support a party that is hitting all-time approval lows in one of the smartest and liberal states in the country? This will work only if special interests will continue to overpower the public. But I don't think the climate is in their favor.
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