Jsp deprecated by Oracle?

[Johannes Amtén]

I couldn't find any references to jsp in either the java EE 6 or java EE 7 tutorials on Oracle's site. Has the jsp technology been officially deprecated since facelets were introduced in JSF?  /Johannes

[Sang Shin]

On 8/28/2014 3:16 PM, Johannes Amtén wrote:

I couldn't find any references to jsp in either the java EE 6 or java EE 7 tutorials on Oracle's site. Has the jsp technology been officially deprecated since facelets were introduced in JSF?  /Johannes

I am not sure it there was any formal announcement on this but
in my opinion, it is safe to say "JSP is indeed being deprecated".

-Sang

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[Ice-Man]

I think I am not the only one deeply disappointed with Oracle. (And, oh yes you can call me nostalgic, but I miss the time of the Sun, which we can not say she never made ​​any atrocity (see the Harmony issue with Apache), but at least it was not as harmful as absurdly Oracle (see the Oracle JSR discontinuing the SAF-Swing Application Framework).
What I mean is that simply to mention such thing the JSP being discontinued is one of the most reckless things I've heard in my life. It is ridiculous. It's a shame. We may say this is the final nail in the coffin to say that Java is a simple language/platform (to use) .
It is a pity we realize that the mercenary Oracle only invests in technologies / projects that give her guaranteed financial return, rather than the things that are consensually best for Java technology and its community.
It's my disappointment and it's too sad ...

[Johannes Amtén]

I was actually developing in Java EE when Sun was in charge. Now, I haven't coded Java EE for 8-9 years, so I signed up on this site to brush up my old knowledge. Sorry to hear that Oracle is doing such a bad job of maintaining the framework. I guess that is why Spring is so popular(?)

[Peter Rajesh]

it is still there
http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/5/tutorial/doc/bnagx.html

Chapter 5

JavaServer Pages Technology

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Johannes Amtén <johanne...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was actually developing in Java EE when Sun was in charge. Now, I haven't coded Java EE for 8-9 years, so I signed up on this site to brush up my old knowledge. Sorry to hear that Oracle is doing such a bad job of maintaining the framework. I guess that is why Spring is so popular(?)

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[Johannes Amtén]

That is the tutorial for Java EE 5. It has been removed from the tutorial for Java EE 6 and Java EE 7.

[Ice-Man]

No, 'Spring FrameWork' has nothing to do with it (say, in passing, the Spring ALWAYS be one step ahead of the 'Java EE').
As it is well known that JSP is such a popular technology into our field (gee, it's the ASP's "Java Web"), Oracle (and it was a little bit as well at the time of Sun Microsystems) does everything to promote their JSF (a technology in which it is easier to make easy things and more difficult to do the difficult things) and is a schizophrenic thing because Oracle itself split the former certification ' SCWCD- Sun Certified Web Components Developer' into 2 ("JSP & Servlet Developer" and " JSF Developer"). For instance: nowadays if you want to get SCEA, Oracle forces you to take a course (for a change, too expensive).
Summing up, today if you want to become "Web Components Developer for Java 6 +" you also need to take a certification of a technology that Oracle is keen to demerit (in favor of his darling JSF).

Derlon V. Aliendres

Em quinta-feira, 28 de agosto de 2014 16h16min26s UTC-3, Johannes Amtén escreveu:

[Anoop Gupta]

As per the technologies listed for Java EE 7, JSP (JSR 245) is still part of it. See: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaee/tech/index.html

Since there has been no update to JSR 245 since Java EE 5, so the JSP tutorial in Java EE 5 is still valid and up to date.

No where do I see that JSP is being deprecated! 

I think people here are getting confused by the following statement in Introduction to facelet:
"JSP technology is considered to be a deprecated presentation technology for JavaServer Faces."

It does not mean JSP is deprecated as a whole, it is deprecated only for JSF. That is, for JSF, Facelet should be used as the view instead of JSP.

Clearly, this JSP deprecation confusion is due to statement taken out of context!

Thanks,

Anoop

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[Maharsh]

This link explains all discussion about JSP in JEE6. Pl go through it, it will solve all your doubt. 

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4845032/wheres-the-official-jsp-tutorial

To be in short, JSP is not at all deprecated.

- Maharsh

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[Neil Franken]

Not trying to start a flame war but JSP is getting older and there is not a lot of updates coming out. Java HAS to remain relevant and that means companies might have to make moves that are sometimes unpopular with me and you. The question would be is the technology that replaces JSP an improvement? 

I was a huge JSP and servlet fan. Took me a while to get to grips with JSF, Facelets and the new kids on the block. Are they a improvement? Well in a lot of ways they do simplify development. I found that I am spending less time on boiler plate code in some instances. However there are some nuisances I don't like. Would I use JSF,Facelets for everything? Certainly not. I use the best tool for the job. I have no favourites, no scared cows only techniques and tools to solve problems.

As a developer of any kind sticking to one technology and one way of doing things severely limit your toolbox. All languages, frameworks and techniques have their place and having the ability to use a vast array of these techniques,tools and frameworks will make you a Coding Monkey Ninja or Evil Mad Scientist.

Keep a open mind and learn the new things. No I don't support what Oracle has done, I went postal when I heard they are dropping Glassfish support. I loved that server it really got me into JEE in a big way. However instead of standing on a soap box trying to change the course of a multi million dollar corporate machine, I switched to WildFly.  I cant change their minds but I certainly wont change to their paid product. 

Having said that JSP is still relevant and will be around for a long time. Oracle has to remain ahead of the curve to ensure that I don't end up coding in .Net (shudder), not that .Net is bad I just love the ease of development in the Java world and the choices of technologies is just far beyond than being tied into a M$ architecture. So yes Oracle will have my grudging support at times. 

We all need to keep on supporting the open source initiatives such as Apache(Camel in particular is a passion of mine), PrimeFaces for example and nurture the creative can do spirit of people that are not bound by bean counter making decisions.

Anyways my 2c.

[Richard Kolb]

Hi Neil

+1 for that.

I must admit I am not a JSP fan and actually I am not a JSF fan either :)

GWT and Vaadin keep me coding Java and not scripty tag thingies.

regards,

Richard.