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I'm not sure I like the idea of requesting proposals as of yet.
...mainly because we have not quite identified the entire scope of the work. And obviously these points are not all for Brad to answer.
Just some questions that come to mind...
This leads to questions like, RFP for a paid gig? just for credit?
Who is paying for this work? If Joomla is paying for this work, who needs to approve that?
If it is paid, it seems that we lose community involvement or do we?
If a person submits a proposal and they win, will they lead the work?
Who will ultimately be responsible for the development, the actual production and the end product?
Is this really just a call for leadership and/or a facilitator?
Will this template work be hosted in such a place that Joomla community can actively participate in that development?
Does the current content stay? or is there going to be some content re-working?
The forums and the wiki's included? anything not included?
What is the timeline for deliverables?
My suggestion is that the proposals be made public from the start, in this case it would be nice to know who is interested in submitting a proposal sooner than when they are submitted, this way the process can be very open.
Would also seem logical that if several people or groups are wanting to donate efforts that all efforts are accepted and the exclusivity game does not play in.
If proposals will be made for a paid gig, should those proposals be managed the same as the volunteer proposals?
If it is paid, it seems that we lose community involvement or do we?I'd like to think it will not involve money.
If a person submits a proposal and they win, will they lead the work?
Yes
What is the timeline for deliverables?
What do you suggest?
If proposals will be made for a paid gig, should those proposals be managed the same as the volunteer proposals?
I'm not sure I follow this question, maybe you can explain.
Brad,
Do you see that the scope of the RFP would also include re-defining the information architecture (IA) for any or all of the J! websites, or are you primarily looking for new templates without possibly also overhauling the IA?
My 2c: I think that a major redesign is a good opportunity to also put a lot of thought around improving the IA, but the best new template creator(s) might not also be the best thinkers on a better IA. I think we might get a better outcome if any IA changes are pretty well agreed to before the serious work on new template designs starts. We could issue a separate RFP for IA changes in advance of the template RFP, or we could organize a group (with community input?) to issue recommendations for IA changes and then let the template RFP responders work off of those IA recommendations.
Also, what do you see happening when the sites are upgraded to 1.6? Do you think this redesign should happen before/at the same time/after releasing 1.6?
My 2c: I think it might make sense to do the redesign (& IA changes if applicable) after 1.6 is released. That might open up more possibilities due to new features, and could reduce some re-work compared to if the redesign was based on 1.5.
Thanks,
paul
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Ron your re-design of the sites was beautifully crafted, no one is in
any way lessening your considered and artful design. It is just time
to change, and there is no better time to prepare for that change than
with the expectation of 1.6. Involving the greater community in the
current process to re-design is beneficial in two ways - it offers
another opportunity for contributors or wish to be contributors to
contribute - it will allow you to concentrate on getting all the
templates and Joomla! UI ready for the release of 1.6.
On Dec 17, 2:50 pm, Brad Baker <brad.ba...@community.joomla.org>
wrote:
> I'm proposing a complete makeover. For one.. 1.6 is on the horizon, and
> secondly a number of sites, while well designed, still have not had total
> implementation of the common design... for whatever reasons..
>
> I also see this as an opportunity to open up this part of our project to
> some in the community.
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Paul Orwig <paul.or...@community.joomla.org
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > If what Ron proposes is the preferred approach, then Airton and I will get
> > to work on writing up a plan/proposal for Community site changes. So far we
> > have tossed around a number of ideas but it hasn't been an end to end review
> > and not much has been formalized. When Brad brought up the overall redesign
> > idea, I had figured on putting ideas for Community site changes on the
> > backburner in deference to a broader redesign effort.
>
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Ron Severdia <ron.sever...@joomla.org>wrote:
>
> >> When we did the current site design/setup, the sites didn't have the
> >> information they have now so the IA we created back then was not
> >> optimal even six months later. But, even with all the changes, I'd say
> >> that the only site that's really a mess is the community site. The
> >> main reason for that is that it's been torn inside out from what was
> >> the original plan. If you were to do a usability audit on the other
> >> sites, you'd be hard-pressed to find any minor issues, let alone major
> >> needs. Once Paul and Airton have their plan for the community site
> >> set, an IA and wireframes would be a good next step.
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Not much chatter here in 2 weeks...
Have any teams been formed? have any proposals been made? is there
any leadership on this particular issue at this time?
The feedback form and spreadsheet, not public yet? What if any
methods does the general public have to contribute at this time? What
is a planned next step for community contribution besides the feedback
form?
I would like to make a recommendation... before any IA or template
work, it seems most appropriate to simply update the actual content
of the Joomla website. Seems that many important pages have old news
and obsolete info.
If we are faced with a "complete re-working" should we at least have
some strategy at this point besides some emphasis on IA first?
Thanks
-Mike
On Dec 17, 12:50 pm, Brad Baker <brad.ba...@community.joomla.org>
wrote:
> I'm proposing a complete makeover. For one.. 1.6 is on the horizon, and
> secondly a number of sites, while well designed, still have not had total
> implementation of the common design... for whatever reasons..
>
> I also see this as an opportunity to open up this part of our project to
> some in the community.
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Paul Orwig <paul.or...@community.joomla.org
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > If what Ron proposes is the preferred approach, then Airton and I will get
> > to work on writing up a plan/proposal for Community site changes. So far we
> > have tossed around a number of ideas but it hasn't been an end to end review
> > and not much has been formalized. When Brad brought up the overall redesign
> > idea, I had figured on putting ideas for Community site changes on the
> > backburner in deference to a broader redesign effort.
>
> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Ron Severdia <ron.sever...@joomla.org>wrote:
>
> >> When we did the current site design/setup, the sites didn't have the
> >> information they have now so the IA we created back then was not
> >> optimal even six months later. But, even with all the changes, I'd say
> >> that the only site that's really a mess is the community site. The
> >> main reason for that is that it's been torn inside out from what was
> >> the original plan. If you were to do a usability audit on the other
> >> sites, you'd be hard-pressed to find any minor issues, let alone major
> >> needs. Once Paul and Airton have their plan for the community site
> >> set, an IA and wireframes would be a good next step.
>
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> Brad Baker
We've recently taken a look at the redesign process and various
approaches to efficiency in getting it done.
To that end, we have accepted kind offers of volunteer help from Steven
Pignataro and Casey Lee, two long time community members and Joomla
professionals.
Working together, the two will focus on structure, aesthetics and
consistency between the sites and at some stage of the process have some
design/structure ideas to present to the community for feedback.
We appreciate all of the feedback that was offered in December and will
be keeping it all closely in line with the development of the new
look/architecture.
We'll certainly keep everyone posted when there is more information to
share.
Kind regards,
Wendy
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Thanks Casey and Steven - I am excited to see what you guys come up
with.
Jenny
On Mar 23, 10:34 pm, Wendy Robinson