Adding events at Google+ and Facebook

[Radek Suski]

Hi everybody,

I would like to start adding all events which are registered at http://events.joomla.org/ as a events at Google+ and Facebook.

I think it could help organisers to get a bit more promotion.

I've added the next upcoming event here: https://plus.google.com/b/112939345266070287086/events/cocs8rqkg00snashrktu850km70/112939345266070287086 as an example.

Let me know please what do you think. 

Regards,

Radek  

[saurabh ds16]

I like the Idea of adding/promoting events ton goole+ or Facebook. Defntly going to help organizers. I wondering who is going to add it all the time ? We need to communicate for every event we approve.
May be sort of bridge where once events will be approved then it will automatically post them to related Facebook / Google+ page.

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[Sandra Araneda]

Hi Radek:
I think an excellent initiative, here in Chile we are organizing a Joomla! Day, we have the time and place and confirmed, if you're interested.

Best Regards

Sandra

2012/7/11 Radek Suski <suski...@gmail.com>

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[saurabh ds16]

Sandra , Is it already added into events list at events.joomla.org  ?

[Radek Suski]

I can do this. However I think it would be enough adding only J!Days and bigger events. 

So no JUG meetings.

The only problem is, as Jon already realised, some of these organisers doing it by themselves so we would have to coordinate it some way.

Regards,

Radek

[Sandra Araneda]

Radek : Not sure if you already added, our joomla day will be in November.

regards
Sandra

2012/7/12 saurabh ds16 <saurab...@gmail.com>

[Mike Carson]

Personally as an event organizer of Joomla Day Chicago, I do not want my event duplicated on Google Plus.
I had my event published on the very first day that Google announce their new event feature on Google Plus, and now someone has DUPLICATED the event on the Joomla Google Plus account.

My original event posting: https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c512d8nft5bga3oo1alqjos5fnc/105834207656646528131
The DUPLICATED event by the Joomla Google Plus account: https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cocs8rqkg00snashrktu850km70/112939345266070287086

This actually pissed me off when I seen it because there is absolutely no reason for this to happen. Why not just promote the original event that was created in Google Plus and Facebook?
You are going to severely confuse the users by doing this. And now there will be comments, questions, RSVP's in multiple places and I personally feel it's a waste of time.
It is not the Joomla Project's responsibility to create events on social networks. That is the organizer's responsibility. Just like it is the organizer's responsibility to submit their event to the events.joomla.org site.
I think the people in charge of the social networking sites for the Joomla project should promote these events but only IF they are already created on the social networks.

I will make sure that we include a suggestion page on events.joomla.org  for event organizers to create their events on these social networks. However i will say it again, these event postings SHOULD NOT be duplicated as like Joomla Day Chicago was done.

[Sully Sullivan]

I’m totally sure that your event was not “duplicated” on Joomla!’s Facebook account.  I never go to Google+ but my understanding is that there’s not a huge lot of traffic there anyway.

I understand your feelings and the logic behind them. That said: Joomla! has 80,000 fans on Facebook. Joomla!Day DC (which I help organize) had somewhere around 20, I think. There’s a pedagogical aspect to posting an event to the worldwide account, even if reasonable only a tiny fraction of people following might attend the event.  Lots of stuff gets duplicated in the Joomla! world (and I don’t just mean copyrighted files!) because it expresses our culture; shows off new ideas; gives people the opportunity to do some distance learning if you’re posting slides or streaming video, etc;  gets discussion underway and inspires people to have a Joomla! event of their own.

 

If you want to talk more about this with the Joomla! social media team, please find me on Skype at terracemedia.

 

-Sully

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[Naod Yeheyes]

We are hoping for JoomlaDay Addis on October 

[Sully Sullivan]

Mike:

That duplicate Google+ event has now been deleted.

 

-Sully

 

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Personally as an event organizer of Joomla Day Chicago, I do not want my event duplicated on Google Plus.

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[Radek Suski]

@Mike: I'm really sorry that it pissed you off. I was just searching for a good possibility to help events organiser and took as example the first upcoming event.

Really sorry. Was apparently a bad idea :(

On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:57:08 PM UTC+2, Radek Suski wrote:

[brian teeman]

This just emphasises for me what I was saying about autonomy etc in the other thread

[Mike Carson]

Thank you Sully,
My real issue with this is that both Google Plus and Facebook have features to SHARE these events with your friends and circles, so why not just do that instead of duplicating and creating new events.
It just seems counter productive to me, confuses the user base, and adds absolutely no value.
Simply promoting and sharing the already created events will actually have just as much promotional power as creating a new event by the master joomla accounts, but it cuts down on the duplications and as I previously stated it is better to have one single place for users to comment, post questions, RSVP, etc.
That's all my issue with it was, and I cannot imagine my feelings are any different than any other Jday organizer.

[Sully Sullivan]

They’re a bit different from mine, but your point about sharing rather than copying is a good one and we’ll take it to heart.

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[Mike Carson]

Everyone, just to make it clear and appologize about my previous comment "This actually pissed me off ", it may have come across much more harsh than I intended.
Radek, I was not mad, it just struck me as a strange way to do things and you owe me no apology. I only wanted to state my own feelings about this situation and since I guess I was the first and only one to have experienced this it's no big deal. I never intended for it to create so much discussion and for anyone to feel bad about it.

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[Victor Drover]

I agree with Mike here. Lets use these social networks to share existing events. Perhaps the Social team can request the URL to the FB/G+ event doing promotion?

Mike, we could add an optional field at EJO for the URL to the FB/G+ event as a reminder for folks to create one?

-V

 

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[brian teeman]

On Friday, 13 July 2012 00:06:00 UTC+1, Vic Drover wrote:

I agree with Mike here. Lets use these social networks to share existing events. Perhaps the Social team can request the URL to the FB/G+ event doing promotion?

Mike, we could add an optional field at EJO for the URL to the FB/G+ event as a reminder for folks to create one?

Thats a GREAT idea

[Radek Suski]

I have to say I'm pretty astonished about some reactions to this. I had an idea which was, I have to admit, in this very form not perfect. Therefore I proposed to add a question to the form while someone is submitting an event to the event site.

The argument about responsibility taken from us (Joomla!) for other's event is wrong I think because it can be explained with a disclaimer and these events are at an official Joomla! website anyway.

The argument about loosing control by the organisers is even more wrong. As I said in the chat, I'm one of the organisers of Joomla! Day Poland. I would be more than happy for getting this kind of support from the social media team. I don't care about us loosing control over the event (its social media version) 

And apparently I'm not the only one with this feeling so what's the problem?

Additionally some of these events organisers do not creating event pages on social media for various reasons. 

For me this is a very simple calculation:

- Joomla! Facebook fanpage: over 80k likes

- Joomla! Polska Facebook fan page: non existent

- Joomla! Polska user group at Facebook: 130 members

- Joomla! Day Poland event page at Facebook: 173 likes

Another problem is that in the Polish community (German as well) there are generally two types of users:

- These more committed to the national, local pages and these are not participating much in the international community. This one can be reach vie our websites. Social media in the "polish only speaking" community are barely used.

- These more committed to the international community (like me). Some of them sometimes even don't know that there are local, national sites or forums. These people tending also to use these social media.

I truly don't understand why we (Joomla!) cannot help events' organisers with promotion. There are tools for an active event promotion in social media and if the organiser wish to be helped why shouldn't we do this? And, I know, we can post a link on our sites but it is not the same as this is more passive way of action where the event sites are in my opinion more active way. 

[brian teeman]

Radek 

It might be a subtle difference but its an important one

There is a difference between the global might of joomla using its social media power to promote links to an event and joomla creating those social media links itself.

This is perhaps a good example of how globally we cannot ever truly understand the local environment. We should concentrate our global efforts on "helping" to promote and not "doing" the promotion.

It's a subtel difference to most but a massive deal for others

[Radek Suski]

Brian,

but we are not talking here about creating a fan page but only about entering it as event.

It's for me comparable to entering it into a calendar and letting people know about. And only if they wish so.

Regards,

Radek

[Victor Drover]

Here's one example to consider: what if an event organizer changes the venue at the last minute? In this case, you could have people seeing the wrong detail on the Joomla FB page for example and showing up to buy tickets at the door at the wrong venue.

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[Sully Sullivan]

Folks,

 

1.       I assume Vic’s example below is purely hypothetical. No one has reposted or shared anything yet concerning Joomla!Day Chicago on the Joomla! FB page, except for a link to a JCM article about the event. With rare exception, the only things posted to Facebook by the team are links to items on the Joomla! sites.

2.       As an experiment, Radek copied a Google+ announcement to the Joomla! Google+ account. After Mike objected, the social media team deleted it and had a policy discussion. So that no longer impacts the three or four dozen Google+ users in the world.

3.       As I said yesterday, we will not be copying or reproducing or cloning or whatever you want to call it anything a Joomla! local event. Everyone involved is in agreement that it’s preferable to share or reblog or whatever the platform calls it than to copy.

4.       We’re all volunteers. Sometimes we make mistakes. That can happen particularly when a role or an audience is new to to volunteer (as it was in this case). Let’s assume each other’s good faith, please.

 

Best,

Sully

 

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Here's one example to consider: what if an event organizer changes the venue at the last minute? In this case, you could have people seeing the wrong detail on the Joomla FB page for example and showing up to buy tickets at the door at the wrong venue.

Sent from my iPhone

[Victor Drover]

o yes, completely hypothetical. Just answering radek as to why creating a duplicate event could lead to confusion. I don't think anyone made a mistake, but its  good opportunity to discuss the issue.