SHABAN KA HALWA

[Zaheer Bawany]

ASSAAM O ALAIKUM:

PLEASE READ THE ATTACHMENT.

JAZAK ALLAH

[samia raoof]

Zaheer Bawany Sahib apko kis ne kaha k halwa rakh diya jaata hai roohon k liye. Hum ne tou aaj tak nahin suna. Bara i karam ghalat qiafey phailaney sey gureiz karein.
 
Halwa banta hai, aur logon mein bantaa jaataa hai jo nahin banaa saktey. mutehqeen, hamsaye ya azeez. Allah aur rasool k naam ka khatam parah jaataa hai. Iss mein kiya harj hai. zinda mustehaq logon, bachon ko agar diya jaata hai tou. Saads si baat ko aap bila waja uljha ker paish kartey hain. Kuch hinduon sey nahin ayaa. Islam mein miskeen ko khana khilaney ki her jagah talkeen hai.       
 

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:01:17 +0500
Subject: **JP** SHABAN KA HALWA
From: zaheer...@gmail.com
To: bawany...@yahoo.com

ASSAAM O ALAIKUM:

PLEASE READ THE ATTACHMENT.

JAZAK ALLAH

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[Asif]

Harj as follows:

1- Halwa un logon mein banta jata hy jo  halwa kiya kheer ki daig bana saktay hn, miskeen ka to nam hy.
2- Halwa batna kon si sunnat hy aur 15 Shaban hi ko bantna??? kiya miskeen 15 Shaban hi ko zinda hotay hn.
3- Allah aur Rasool kay nam ka khatam Imam Abu Hanifa ny mana kiya hy kisi mufti sy pooch lain.
4- Islam mein khanay peenay ka din Juma hy  jo har 7 din baad aata hy, barahi karam har haftay halway khilain, kanjoosi acchi cheez nahi.
5- Jo ruh farishty qabz kar ky ILLiyeen ya Sijjeen my lay jatay hn wo Arwa wapis nahi aa sakti.
6- Masakeen ki nam par jo shikam sairee mutawamal hazrat kartay hn wo us sy kie gunah zayada hy jo masakeen ki pait mein jata hy. Aas pass ghurbat daik lein aur samaj jayain itni donations kahan jaa rahi hn.
7- Islam mein khanay khilanay sy koi mana nahi karta magar tahwar mana kr khana mahaz numod u numaish hy jo Riya ki badtarin soorat hy, parhaiz karain.

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[samia raoof]

Merey bhai Asif apkey khiyaalaat kahaan sey aye hain mwin nahin jaanti, aap kiss mahaul mei rehtey hain aur gardo nawah mein kaisey log hai jo apney aisay khayaalat apnai. Yeh apko kis ney bataya k  Sirf Jumma ka din khilaney key liye hai kahan likha hai. Agar likha ahi tou ghalat hai. Aap aisi soach ki akaasi kar rahe hain jo bilaa waja paichidgi paida karti hai.

Tehwaar mana ker khaan iska kayaa matlab hai. Kiya Eidulfitr Tehwaar nahin, Kiya Eiduzaha tehwaar nahin. Kiya in tehwaaron ko musslim ummah nahin manati aur kiya in tehwaaron per khayaa nahin jaata. Kiya sawaian makhsoos nahin hain.

 

Shab e baraat, Mahe Shabaan bartaton ka maheena hai.   

Halwa hi pakatey hain gala tou nahin kaat-tey, khoon tou nahin bahatey

 

Allah aur rasoolk naam ka khatam kahin manaa nahin. 

 

Halwey ki behas tou bilqul ghairzaroori hai. aap yeh farmain, logon ko batain k apney liye dua mangein, gunnahon ki bakshish ki, Allah ki rehmaton ki, rizq mein wussat ki, beemari sey shaifa ki, hamary mulk mein aman aur salaamti ki. Aao kahan HALWEY mein ulajh gaye.    

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 13:13:13 +0500
From: as...@simag.com.pk
To: joinpa...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **JP** SHABAN KA HALWA

Harj as follows:

1- Halwa un logon mein banta jata hy jo  halwa kiya kheer ki daig bana saktay hn, miskeen ka to nam hy. Aap ko dawat deti hoon app aa kar deikhein balko khud loogon ko milker ain aur
2- Halwa batna kon si sunnat hy aur 15 Shaban hi ko bantna??? kiya miskeen 15 Shaban hi ko zinda hotay hn. Al-e-dard 15 Shabaab

[Asif]

Dear Sister,
I apologies if somehow I hurt you and you go to such extreme  Halwa hi pakatey hain gala tou nahin kaat-tey, khoon tou nahin bahatey

Firstly I do not want to indulge myself in ghairzarori bahas of halwa but in your reply below you try to portray me as some kind of "kunwain ka maindak" so I reluctantly sending you this reply which is the last one because I agree it is very ghair zaroori. Secondly I live in same country and among same people and I do not care what my personal soch is regarding Islam but I try to follow Quran and Sunnah and whatever is in Quran and Sunnah I unconditionally accept and reject whatever is not in it.

My dear sister extremism in anything is not good and extremism without knowledge is most dangerous thing. If you want to make halwa and give to poor and needy without condition of 15 shaban then please go ahead no body will raise any objection.

Regarding your reply "Yeh apko kis ney bataya k  Sirf Jumma ka din khilaney key liye hai kahan likha hai. Agar likha ahi tou ghalat hai. Aap aisi soach ki akaasi kar rahe hain jo bilaa waja paichidgi paida karti hai." Well I did not say "Sirf Jumma ka din khilaney key liye hai" but I was merely indicating to fact that Jummah is like Eid and Eid are days of eating and hosting so it is a known fact that Jummah is a day of eating and hosting and known to Ahle Sunnah and it is not preferable to fast on Jummah even many scholars prohibit it unless you fast a day before and after i.e. on Thursday and Saturday on authority of very authentic hadith of bukhari and muslim. If you do not heard these hadith then it is your loss not mine and such an ignorant saying "Agar likha ahi tou ghalat hai". I again say hadith of Bukhari and Muslim even some marfoo tradition in Hakim and Ibe Shaiba can not negated or neglected by your saying so. Please be very careful regarding negating anything you do not know, maybe it turn out that likha huwa was very sahih likha huwa. If you do not want to give halwa on Jummah and insisting on only 15 Shaban then it is up to you. I hope the matter is not complicated to many of our readers now, even it is still complicated and paichida to you and I sincerely hope that it is not the case with you I mean Jummah being paichida.

Please eat and drink on both Eids and Ayam e Taskrik even sawaiaan (eat sawaiaan not as a sunnah) but it is not up to Ummah to declare Eid whatever day they like or choose.

If we are Muslim then every month is barkatoon wala month but there are significance of four months (mostly many muslims do not even know them) and ramadan as it is month of obligatory fasting and with nights of Qadr and in this month doors of heaven opens and hell closes (please do not ask how) etc. etc. Regarding other months nothing authentic and trustworthy is there.

As I have told you before Allah aur Rasool ky naam ka khatam is manna by Imam Abu Hanifa (Rahmatullah Alyhe), please ask some knowledgeable person and enlightened yourself because Imam Abu Hanifa insisted upon Allah kay naam par and khatam was not known to him. 

So my dear sister lets not ulajh with halwa and along with praying Allah for all the good things you mentioned in last lets start with helping poor and needy not after a year on 15 shaban but on as soon as possible basis.


 On 6/16/2014 12:08 AM, samia raoof wrote:

Merey bhai Asif apkey khiyaalaat kahaan sey aye hain mwin nahin jaanti, aap kiss mahaul mei rehtey hain aur gardo nawah mein kaisey log hai jo apney aisay khayaalat apnai. Yeh apko kis ney bataya k  Sirf Jumma ka din khilaney key liye hai kahan likha hai. Agar likha ahi tou ghalat hai. Aap aisi soach ki akaasi kar rahe hain jo bilaa waja gi paida karti hai.

Tehwaar mana ker khaan iska kayaa matlab hai. Kiya Eidulfitr Tehwaar nahin, Kiya Eiduzaha tehwaar nahin. Kiya in tehwaaron ko musslim ummah nahin manati aur kiya in tehwaaron per khayaa nahin jaata. Kiya sawaian makhsoos nahin hain.

 

Shab e baraat, Mahe Shabaan bartaton ka maheena hai.   

Halwa hi pakatey hain gala tou nahin kaat-tey, khoon tou nahin bahatey

 

Allah aur rasoolk naam ka khatam kahin manaa nahin. 

 

Halwey ki behas tou bilqul ghairzaroori hai. aap yeh farmain, logon ko batain k apney liye dua mangein, gunnahon ki bakshish ki, Allah ki rehmaton ki, rizq mein wussat ki, beemari sey shaifa ki, hamary mulk mein aman aur salaamti ki. Aao kahan HALWEY mein ulajh gaye.    

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 13:13:13 +0500
From: as...@simag.com.pk
To: joinpa...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: **JP** SHABAN KA HALWA

Harj as follows:

1- Halwa un logon mein banta jata hy jo  halwa kiya kheer ki daig bana saktay hn, miskeen ka to nam hy.

2- Halwa batna kon si sunnat hy aur 15 Shaban hi ko bantna??? kiya miskeen 15 Shaban hi ko zinda hotay hn.

[iqbal sheikh]

ye to wohi baat ho gai k " hangama he kio barpa thorhi c jo p li he, daka to nhi dala chori to nhi ki he" yeni ghalt kam karna phir kehna k 

'halwa hi khilana he koi gala to nhi katna khoon to nhi bahana" yahi wo biddat he jise neki samajh k kia jata he meri behn biddat gumrahi he jis ka thikana jahannam he ALLAH hum sub ko deen samajhne ki to feeq ataa farmae. behn ko meri kisi baat pe ghussa aae to peshgi moaafi.

asif bhai aap ne boht umdgi se wazahat farma di. bura ho angrezon ka jo firqe bna k chalegae aur india se imported deen yahan chorh gae.aap ne tafseel byan kar di behn samia ko deen samajhne ki zaroorat he un se guzarish he SAHAH E SITTA ki kisi kitab ka mutal'aa kren.

[samia raoof]

Kisi baat per ghusey ki baat nahin hai,  Afsos bohat hai. aur sad afsos k siwa kuch nahin kaha jaa sakta. Aapko bidat kaa pataa bhi hai kiya mainey hain. Iss tarah k fatwey laganey ka haq apko kis ney diya. Barah-e-karam gumrahi phailaney sey guraiz karein. Behan nahin mein shaid apki waalda k baraabar hongi.    
 

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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 19:13:12 +0500

Subject: Re: **JP** SHABAN KA HALWA

From: iqba...@gmail.com
To: joinpa...@googlegroups.com

[Qaiser Mehmood]

Iqbal Sheikh tujy pata b hy k Biddat kehty kis ko hn??,

Tum log to is raat (15 Shaban) ko ebadat karna b galt samjty ho.

Tum logo k lyy attachments send kar raha hno, ye hi kafi hn.

Agar Muslman is raat ko ebadat karna chahty hn ya kuch sweet like (Halwa ya Savayyain) bana kar bant ty hn to tum logoo ko ye b hazam ni hota.Khud kabi Eid per b ni dety hon gy erd gird apny hamsayyo ko.

Yar kuch to khuda ka khuf karooooooo .......

 

Rana Qaiser Mehmood

[iqbal sheikh]

mere bhai qaisar jazbati hone ki zarooratnhi pya nhi ye hawaale jo aap de rahe hen ye ye in men se boht se bilkul sahih nhi hen jahan tak roze ka t'allaq he 13,a4 aur 15 ka roza rakhna chahiay ye sunnat he aap apni soi sirf 15 pe na atkae rakhen, aap ne kabi SAHAH E SUTTA kochuwwa he k nhi ya aap ko pta b he k ye SAHAH E SITTA he kya cheez? mere khyal men agar aap ko pta hota to aap kabi hawai fire na karte, zra SAHA E SITTA ki kisi kitab ko parh k dekhen sub wazeh ho jaega aur brah e karam ye biddaten na phailaen aap gumrah honge Allah hum sub ko deen samajhne ki t0feeq ataa farme.

[asla...@gmail.com]

Mukhtalif masaalik kay darmiyaan 99 feesad cheezoan per ittefaq hay.
Jaiasy kay namaz roza haj, zakat tawheed, rasool, malayeka, kitaabain, yome aakhrat, jannat dozakh, waghaira.
In masaalik main iss per bhee ittefaq hay kay kaun see cheezain achhi hain (akhlaq, sach, eemaandari, parosi kay huqooq, insaanoan say mohabbat, har jaandaar ka khayal rakhna, poora tolna, poora naapna, saaf aur paak rehna, baroan ka adab, bachchon say shafqat, mulazmeen ka khayal rakhna, masakeen kee madad, waqt kee pabandee, waghaira, waghaira).
Tamaam masaalik main iss per bhee ittefaq hay keh kin cheezoan say bachna hay (jhoot, fahashee, gheebat, chughal khoari, larayee, jhagra, rishwat, bay eemani, waqt barbaad karna, chor daku aur badmaash ka saath dayna, waghaira, waghaira ).
Hum ko chahyeey ke achhee baton per amal karain aur doosroan kee achhee batoan kee sataaish aur taareef karain.
Sirf aik feesad batoan main shayed ikhtelaaf hoga. Iss ikhtelaaf ko uchhalnay say hamaray bachchoan per bura asar per sakta hay. Aur hamaray dushmanoan ko moqa milta hay kay voh hamaray darmiyan mazeed tafreeq paida karain.
Baraaye meherbaani ghaur karain.

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From: samia raoof <samia...@hotmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 16:30:05 +0500

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Subject: RE: **JP** SHABAN KA HALWA

[Qaiser Mehmood]

Iqbal sb,

SAHA E SITTA  Ahadis ki kitaboo ko hi kehy hn ya ap ki zaban m kesi or kehty hn,,,,,,,.

M ny Biddat ka pocha tha or app ny SAHA E SITTA ka mujsy poch lia.Allah ka shukar hy K Islam ki "A" "B" ka kuch pata hy is ly to keh raha hno k ap loog is masly ko ly kar gumrahi na phelyyyy...

Agar ap kahy to m apko app k gar 13,14,15 ko halwa ya Sawayian Bajwa dia karo ta ky ap kuch kha kar meth demag sy kuch to sahiii socy and samjyyyy.

Biddat wo chez hy jo apny sy khud hi deen m daal dy...............

Ap koi aik chez jo ap ye keh saky k is m Allah ki merzi shamil ni hy batta deyyy.

Ye shuban k 3 rozy ya ramzan k rozy,( Or Tum Apny rab ki kon kon c namet ko jutlao gy) ya kisi ko kuch khela dena ya sub Allah ki hi merzi hy.

Ye to Nabi e Akram SALLALAHO ALY HY WASALM.NY KABI NI KAHA K KESI KO HALWA NA KHELAOOO.

Mera Khial hy ap baat samj gy hon gay.??????????????

 

Apka Mukhlis

[Muhammad Mussa]

ap ko biddat ki tareef b maloom hai janab k biddat hoti hai kia hai

[Tahir Rana]

شاید آپ لوگوں کو یا ہو کہ کچھ عرصے پہلے کسی نے منگولوں اور امام ابنِ تیمیہ رضی اللہ عنہ کا قصہ سنایا تھا۔ ایک طرف مسلمان تھے جو کوے کے حلال یا حرام ہونے پر بحث کررہے تھے، اور دوسری طرف منگول۔ 

کہیں ہم بھی تو وہی نہیں کررہے۔ 

حلوہ حلال ہے یا حرام، کھانے والا اور پکانے والا اللہ کو جوابدہ ہوگا، اور وہ تو وہ سب بھی جانتا ہے جسے ہم نہیں جانتے، تو احسن یہی ہے کہ آپ خوب تحقیق کرکے اسے پکائیں اور کھائیں۔

مگر میری نظر میں اسوقت یہ حلوہ اتنا بڑا مسئلہ نہیں، نہ ہی طاہر قادری کی یلغارِ پاکستان، مسئلہ تو اس بہن کا ہے جو کل تک گھر کی چار دیواری میں تھی مگر آج وزیرستان آپریشن کی وجہ سے کھلے آسمان تلے غیر مردوں کی نظروں کے سامنے، مجھے فکر اس چھوٹے بچے کی ہے جو کل تک یتیم نہیں تھا مگر آج ہے شاید ابھی کچھ دیر پہلے ہی ہوا ہو، مجھے فکر اس حرم کی حرمت کی ہے جسے چاروں طرف سے کفار نے گھیر رکھا ہے ، مجھے فکر

پاکستان کی ہے، کہ کوئی عرب ہے ، کوئی ترک۔۔۔۔ ایک ہم ہیں جو الحمدللہ بس مسلمان ہیں، نبی کا پیار ہمارا کل اثاثہ۔۔

تو جس نے حلوہ کھانا ہے کھالے، یہ شاید کبیرہ گناہ نہ ہو(اگر یہ حرام ہے تو)، مگر عالم کفر کے خلاف اٹھے اور اور ہر سطح پر مقابلہ کرے، کہیں تاریخ پھر یہ نہ لکھے کہ مسلمانوں پر کفار حملہ آور تھے اور مسلمان یہ بحث کررہے تھے کہ شعبان کا حلوہ حرام ہے یا حلال۔۔۔۔

You can delete from Internet Browser history, but how will you delete from your " aamal"? Woman wearing skin tight " burqa" can hide her body from herself, but that shows off her body to everybody else... You can cheat yourself, not Allah. Or aakhir main mery Rab ka hi nam baqi reh jaeyga.

[iqbal sheikh]

qaisar bhai ye baat zehn men rakhiay k deen men aap ki ya meri marzi nhi chalti deen mukammal kar k hamare hawale kya gya he aap jis halwe ki baat kar rahe hen wohi to biddat he bhaiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, deen men kisi cheez ko apni marzi se shamil karna biddat he aur aap ka ye shobaan ka halwa b biddat he. esa nhi hota k aap ko jo cheez achi lage usse deen men shamil kar len men to LA HOL WALA QUWWAAT hi keh sakta hun Allah aap ko deen ki samajh ataa farmae aur biddat se bachae. deen hamen mukammal mil gya he QURAAN aur AHADITHS ki soorat men aap ussi pe chalne ki koshish kren chrhen halwe shalwe ye aap kabi b ghar men paka k kha sakte hen, kisi ko zaroor kuch khilaen magar kisi din b, Nabi e Akram SALLALAHO ALY HY WASALM.NY kaha k murde ka janaza parha kro to aap hindu ka b janaza parhen ge? mere bhai aqal ko use kren men ne SAHAH E SITTA  ki kisi kitab ka mutal'aa karne ko kaha tha wahan se aap ko SHAABAN k halwe ka pta chal jaega. ALLAH  k deen ka  palrha pakrhen.aap sub samajh jaenge.

[NaveedAmer]

I think we are sense less peoples. We are wasting our time in time consuming issues and ignore our core issues. If we are really muslims then we have to proof and show to the non muslim world that we are unit under one umbrela of our Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him) and their sunnah. I request to my all Muslim brothers and sisters please don't waste your precious time in " use less " topics like Halwa of Shaban or irrelevant topics of dirty politics of Pakistan. Help those peoples who are hungry, un educated, home less, or poor peoples.

BR.

Naveed 

[Abdullah Umer]

برادر بدعت کوئی چھوٹا یا سینسیلیس موضوع نہیں ہے . براہ کرم اٹیچ کی ہوئی فائلز کو پڑھیں.
شب برات کی حدیثیں سب ضعیف ہیں اور شب قدر کی صحیح احادیث سے متعا رض ہیں لہذا ناقابل اعتبار ہیں . دوسرا جتنے فضائل قیام الیل کے بیان کیے جاتے ہیں وہ ہر رات کو حاصل ہیں. آپ کی مرضی ہے کے الله کی رحمت کو جو پورا سال عام ہے اسے صرف ایک رات تک محدود کر لیں.
ہاں کتنی عجیب بات ہے شیخ صاحب تو روزے رکھیں رات کو جاگیں اور شاگرد حلوے کھائیں اور پٹاخے پھوڑیں.

[shu...@bhimratextile.com]

Salam to all brothers and sisters,
Last 3/4 posts are very encouraging and our consensus is that discussion on HALWA is not that important at this hour in time. So, let us start helping IDPs and earn the manifold blessings of Almighty Allah in the month of Ramzan.

Rabig fir warham wa anta khair ur rahimeen

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