Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!

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Zeeshan Siddiqui

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Nov 23, 2010, 3:44:19 PM11/23/10
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An Eye opener poem by Pandit Shankar Dayal Sharma (Ram Pur District Chattis Garh madhya Pardesh)
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How sad for us that non-muslim poet has wrote his poem such ironic. If we would be acted upon Quran & Sunnah then that kafir could never do this. Kaash!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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if he is true, then why don't you become a HUNDU... :)

Irfan Ashraf

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Nov 24, 2010, 11:30:13 AM11/24/10
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Dear friend this poem is not even worth reading. I am surprised as to
why you have given it so importance to import it impatiently from
across the border and present it before us. Please don't deal in
trading hatred. We already have tons of it. Do something more
constructive.

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Syed Irfan Ashraf,
Peshawar

Usmani Associates

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Nov 25, 2010, 12:46:39 AM11/25/10
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I agree with Syed Irfan Ashraf, Peshawar. There are so many problems which we are facing. It is time to be positive and trained our mind according to according to Islamic form. Islam does not believe in cast system. This poem lead us to wrong direction.

Muhammed Hussain Vegelpoory
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Aamir Rasheed

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Nov 25, 2010, 12:49:09 AM11/25/10
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Poem is equally good. Its about true spirit of Islam, which we have lost on
the way to lives.

Doing anything constructive at the cost of basic faith can never be deemed
good.


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Sapphire

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Nov 25, 2010, 1:11:39 AM11/25/10
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Yes, its nothing except wrong presumptions and creating hatred in the name of ISLAM...

Muhammad Sharif

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i fully agree with Aamir Rasheed .we have to accpet our shortcoming as
Muslim [SUCH HAMASHA KARTVA HOTAY HA]
sharif

Zeeshan Siddiqui

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Nov 25, 2010, 12:32:55 PM11/25/10
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Dear All,

I can’t able to understand that why we wish to close our eyes and why non-muslims has become derider upon us. Why we left teachings of Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) when Allah’s apostle (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) taught us that we should worship of saints and build their tombs. Aren’t we going on the track of Hindus & Christians. Yes indeed we are doing same thing more or less. We all should do our betterment according to Quran & Sunnah.

We should go on the narrow way by Allah’s mercy.

AMEEN





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Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina

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Dear All


Agar ek hindu poet kuch likhey or aap log itna serious ley kar, usey haq maantey ho tho, Aap musalmaan or Mushrik k beech faraq saabit karney k liye kisi hindu poet ka sahara leingey?

Kya aapney sahi Aalim-e-deen sey is baarey mein ruju (tazkira) kiye ho?

Aaj siraf or siraf ek he religion apni sahi haalat mein zinda hai, tho woh siraf or siraf Muslim religion hai, Deen-e-Rasool Allah (SAW). is baat ko saari duniya maanti hai, per kuch Musalmaan he hain jin ko shak hai, woh bhi kisi Hindu poet ki waja sey.

Woh hindu poet jisey khud uska religion ka sahi naam tak nahi pata, woh Musalmaano per poem likhey tho kuch padhey likhey log usey sahi samajh kar fatwey dena shuru kar detey hain. 

Kya aap log Sahi ho? or yeh kis Hindu ney likhi hai? kon hain woh? kaha rehta hai? kuch pata hai aapko? 

Jab nai maalum tho kyon apni zubaan islam k liye kholtey ho?

Yeh Deen-e-Islam hai, Allah ka deen, kisi ki soch ya falsafa nai k jo chaho kehlo.

Hope you guys understand it.

Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina

Farooq Sumar

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Indeed, it's so true !

Sapphire

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Tanqeed karna in ka vateera ban chuka hai, yeh kisi surat baaz nahi a'ain gay aur ghair muslimon ka sahara la kar musalmanon ko degrade karna aur un ma fasaad phelana in ki purani aadat ho chuki hai...
 
In kay ilm o aqqal ka yahin se andazah ho jata hai k yeh aik hindu ki poetry se mutasir hain jesay Nauzubillah woh Qurah ho...
 
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Usman Qasim

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Jazbatii taqreer karnay say kuch nahi hota.. baat hindu ki poem say mutasir honay ki nahi hai. baat ya hai k us may jo likha hai kya wo galat hai???? agar galat likha hai tu baat khatam ho jatii.. zaida gussa app logo ko tu ese baat ka hai us nay sach likhaaa hai kyun k aisa he ho raha hai


 
 
 





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Sherish Theba

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I so second usman qasim, islam aur sab se uppar Quran mazaar banane, aur un pe sajda karne ka hukum nahi deta, kisi paare ki kisi surah ki koi ayaat nahi deti, quran mei shirk karne se bara gunah aur koi nahi maana gaya, aur hinduon ki rah par chalte hamara kuch tabqa haqeeqat bhool gaya hai k Quran hamein yeh taleem nahi deta,

n @ Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina, n Sapphire i m sorry dont mean to hurt you, but akaal ka koi takaza bhi hota hai, har baat ke liye agar moulviyon se poochne ki zaroorat hoti, tou aaj nabuwat khatam hi na hoti, Allah ne quran mei kai daffa likha hai k "hum ne tumhare liye quran ko asaan kar diya", ho sake tou in pak ayaaton pe yaqeen hum insano se zyada kar lijiye ga, i m sure kisi aalim-e-deen se kam se kam shirk jaise gunahon ke clearance ki zarurat nahi pare gi,,, jawabbat kafii hadd tak aapko khud mil jaye ge....

May Allah bestow mercy on all of us n direct us to the right path...  n give us the  power to hear the truth wid patience n strength to grab what is right rather then argue n listen to what is wrong to do tehqeeq n find the utter truth.. Ameen...

Dat is how we can learn by still remaining unified....Inshaa Allah
Take care, n 
Allah hafiz

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"Ilam hasal karo, chahay tumhain china jana paray".
 
There were no Muslims in china at the time, so, who do you think the prophet (PBUH) was suggesting to get the knowledge from?
 
Muslim or non Muslim, regardless, if one is stating the truth/ reality, we should accept it. We must correct our wrong doings and thank that person for putting us on the right path.
 
May God show the poet the right path too?
 
Wassalam
Fayyaz

 

 
 

 

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chand logon kay aik bauhtan o tauhmat ko sach kehnay se kabhi sach nahi ho jaata. Jab log (Auliya jo deen kay Alambardar the) unhain peechary chor kar apni aqqal kay ghoray dauranay shuru kar den to unhain ma to kya, duniya ki koi bhi taaqat clarify nahi kar sakti...
 
Logon se pehlay apni fikr karo k kiya aap Allah SWT kay Ahkamaat ki paabandi karte hain....???.

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yahii tu masla hai ka asal baat per tu app log atay nahi hai bas edhar udharr....  yaha kisi nay b Auliya Ikram ki respect say inkar nahi kiaa. unka bht bara contribution hai islam k leyee. laykin daynay walii zaat sirf ALLAH ki hai aur usii say mangnay ka hukam hai.. aur na he ALLAH ka siwa kisi ko sajjdaa jayiez haii.

aur yaha general baat ho rahi hai mainay kisi pay personal attack nahi kia.. "in...@lhr.sapphire.com.pk: kya he acha hota agar app bhi ess baat ka khayal kartayyy baatt zaror karay but logic k saath
 
 
 





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Zeeshan Siddiqui

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Janab Aap ka jo bhi naam hai! sab se pehlay tau aap mujhe yeh bataye keh Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) ka sab se pehley kiya hukum hai keh mere saath kisi ko sharik nahi karo. Tau janab-e-wala mai aap ko batana chahta hoon keh mai Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) ke shukar se shirk nahi karta hoon. Doosra hukum yeh hai keh namaz parho tau mai Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) ki taufeek se namaz parhta hoon. Allah ke Rasool (Sallalaho Wa Alaihi Wa Sallam) ka hukum hai keh bida'at nahi karo tau mai bida'at nahi karta hoon.
Aur doosron ko is se baaz rakhne ki koshish karta hoon. Kyunkeh yeh bhi deen ka ek kaam hai. Mai koi Aalim-e-Deen nahi hoon lekin mazeed kuch maloom karna chahte hain tau koshish karonga acchi baat batane ki.
Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) hum sab ko acchey kamon ki taufeeq atta farmaye aur in buriyon se saray musalmano ko mehfooz farmaye.
AAMEEN




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Zeeshan Siddiqui

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Bhai Sahab! kiya aap mujhe sahih aalim-e-deen ki tareef batayenge. Kiya aap ko pata hai keh ghulam ahmed qadiyani bhi alim tha kiya woh sahih aalim tha aur pervaiz jis ne inkar-e-hadith kiya tha woh Quran aur hadith ka kitna ilm rakhta tha kiya woh sahih aalim tha. mansoor bin hallaj ek sufi tha jis ne aan-ul-haq kar na'ara lagaya tha kiya usay aalim kahengay aur muhi-ud-din al arbi jis ne wahadat al wujud jaisa mushirkana aqeeda muslamano mai phelaya usay aalim kahengay pehlay tau sahih aalim ki tareef kijiye us ke baad yeh baat karen.
Doosray us hindu ne ya whatever woh jo bhi hai us ko itni jurrat kaisey hui keh woh musalmano par tanzia shayeri kare hum ne aisey amaal kiye hain tau us ko yeh moqa mila keh us ne musalman aur hindu ka aqeeda ek kaha (Naouzibillah) aap ne kaha keh Islam wahid deen hai jo apni asal halat mai mojud hai is mai koi shak nahi lekin musalmano ke bhais mai jo log mojud hain unhone is ki halat badalne mai koi kasar nahi chhorhi hai Allah ke Rasool (Sallaho Alaihi Wa Aalihi Wa sallam) ne farmay qamat tak ek guroh haq par qaim rahega aur woh taifah mansoorah ho ga aur usi guroh ke zarye Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) ne Islam ko asal halat mai rakha hai aur inshaAllah rahega bhi. Zara Quran aur Hadith khol kar dekhain kiya aap taifah mansoorah mai shamil hain. Agar nahi tau bara-e-meherbani aitraz ke bajaye apni islah karen aur doosron ki bhi islah karen. Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala) aapko is ka ajar deingay inshaAllah.

 





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     Waisey yeh Muzakira bohot lamba ho gaya hai, Kai logo ney ikhtelaaf kiya, k Hindu poet ki poem pesh ki gayi, jisey apney aapko Musalmaan kehney walon ney dusrey musalmano ko Mushrik kehna shuru kiya. Us poem k Mutabiq, Pehley Aitrazat huvey. k

1) Mazarat-e-Auliya per jana shirak, (iska jawab diya gaya tho)
2) Phir kisi ney aitraaz kiya jaana nahi bal k waha jaakar ziyarat karana shirak.( Iska jawab diye tho)
3) phir kisi ney aitraaz kiya nai nain wahan jaakar Maangney per aitraaz hai.
4) kisi ney kaha k nai Pakki Mazaar bananey per Aitraaz hai. Aitrazat tho bohot huvey or Ab bhi ho rahey hain, or yeh jitney bhi Aitraazat hain sab Mazarat-e-Auliya ko lekar he ho rahey hain.

Kuch ney itna Maan liya k Mazaar per Jaaney mein koi haraj nai, Magar Manney sey problem hai or kuch kehtey hain Pakki mazaar sey problem hai.       

Sherish Theba,

          Aapney jo yahan per kaha ha, kis had tak sahi hai? Main aap sey ek request karta hu jo aap log kehtey ho. kehney sey pehley zara tehqeeq karlo. Hum per nahi khud per he ek Ehsaan karlo badi meharbaani hogi.

Agar aap log kuch galat nigah sey dekh letey ho or us ki tehqeeqat kiye bagair Agar koi bad kalemaat kehtey ho tho ismein kis galat kon hai?

Galat(Buri) Nigah or Galat(Buri) Soch ki ek misaal deta hu.

Ek Gair Shaadi shuda (Unmarried) Ladka, ek ladki ko Madarsa bike per chor kar aaya tho us ladkey k dost ney kaha, kyon miya Dadhi(beared) rakhey phirtey ho, Aalim, Moulana, shareef jaisey lagtey ho per phir bhi Ladkiyon ko apni bike per bitha kar ghumtey ho? kaisey besharam insaan ho? Sab jaantey huvey bhi galat kaam kartey ho?

Tho jaantey ho us ladkey ney kya jawab diya?

Usney kaha "woh meri (Didi)behan hai".

Main yeh kehna chahata hu, kai baar aisa hota hai, jo hum dekhtey hai or jisey hum galat feel kartey hai, woh dar haqeeqat galat nai hota. kyon k waha hamari soch galat hoti hai. Isiliye jab bhi kuch dekho or kisi k baarey mein kuch galat ya bura kehna chaho tho pehley confirm karlo kya haqeeqat mein woh galat hai?

Main sab sey pehley is baat ko clear karna pasand karuga, jo aapney yeh ilzaam lagaya hai woh bilkul galat or beybunyaad hai.

Pehley Hum Ahl-e-Sunnat o Jama-at ka Aqeeda maalum karo phir fatwey lagao.

Hum Sunni Mazarat-e-Aauliya per sajdey nai kartey, Or na he kisi Sunni Jama-at k Aalim ney kabhi hukum diya hai k Mazarat-e-Auliya per sajdey karo.

Magar Sabsey badi galat fehmi aap logo mein jo moujud hai woh yeh hai.

Hum Mazarat-e-Auliya ko bosa(chumney) k liye jhuktey hain, Or Hum Sahib-e-Mazar k Qadmain shareefain ka bosa letey hain, unhey sajda nai kartey. or is amal ko aaplog sajda samajhtey ho apni Naaqis Aqal ka istemaal kar key. kyon k aap log Aalim sey puchna apni shaan k khilaf samajhtey ho or apney aapko duniya ka sab sey bada aalim samajh baithy ho. Allah aapko neik hidyat dey or Sahi Aalim-e-Deen sey contact mein rehney ki tofique dey.

Is Amal ko Huzur Mufti-e-Azam ney apney Naatiya Ashar mein u farmaya.

Sang-e-Dar-e-Jana per karta hu jabeein sei
Sajda na samajh najdi sar deta hu nazrana.

Ab bhi aap k dil mein ab bhi kuch shak baaqi hai jisey main mehsus karsakta hu, yeh merey Rab ney Nabi-e-Paak(SAW)  k Sadqey mein hum Gulaman-e-Muhammed(SAW) ko ata kiya hai. or woh shak jo aap k dil mein baaqi hai woh yeh hai. k Aaj bhi kai log Khawja Ghareeb Nawaz Rehmatullah hi tala Alai ya dusrey Auliya k mazaarat per sajda kartey hain. tho unkey baarey mein kya kaho gey?  ( Am i right? )

Tho yeh lo iska jawab.

Mazarat-e-Auliya per Musalmano sey zyada tadad(count) mein hindu jaatey hain, yeh baat main nahi aap khud kisi hindu sey puchu, kyon k aapko ek musalmaan sey zyada ek hindu ki baat per bharosa hai, jiski daleel wo nazam(poetry) hai jisey kisi hindu ney likha or aap ney us k base per musalmaano ko Mushrik kehna shuru kar diye. Yeh Hindu aap logo k aalim-e-deen maalum hotey hain kyon k aap ek Sahi Momin Aalim-e-deen ki bajaaye, insey Mashawara(Advice) letey ho.


Agar koi Hindu Topi (Muslim Cap) lagar kar Khawja Garib Nawaz Rehmatullah hi taala Alai k maazar per sajda karta hai tho kya aap us k Amal sey purey Ahl-e-Sunnat wo Jamat ko Mushrik kahogey?

Abhi ek or Aitraaz aap k dil mein mojoud hai.

or aap kaho gey "Nai nai, Main tho kai Musalmano ko bhi dekha hai sajda kartey huvey. tho ab un k liye kya kahogey?" (Am i right?)

Iska bhi Jawaba hai. or woh yeh padho.

Agar koi Musalmaan jo Mazarat-e-Auliya k aadab sey na wakif hai, agar woh nahi jaanta k Ziyarat-e-Mazarat-e-Auliya kaisey ki jaati hai? Tho Humara yeh kaam hai k hum usey Aadab sikhayen, na k us per Shirak ka fatwa dey dien. or us sey keh dein k nai, Mazar per jaana he shirak hai, Na jaayega Mazar per or na karey ga shirak.  tho yeh jo tareeka aapka hai, woh bilkul galat hai.

iski b misaal deta hu, Main misaal isliye deta hu k Aap Aqal waley maalum hotey ho.

Agar koi baccha Namaz galat tarika sey padhey tho aap us ko Namaz ki adaigi ka sahi tarika batatey ho. Aap usko namaz sey nai roktey.  Kyon k agar woh namaz galat tarika sey padh raha hai, agar aap usko samjaho gey tho woh sahi tarika sey padhey ga. Magar aap kaho k nai bhai, Namaz he rok do, Na pahey ga namaz or Na hi kareyga galati. tho yeh Soch aap ki galat hai.


Ab rahi baat Shirak ki, tho Suno Hum Ahl-e-Sunnat wo Jama-at ka Aqeeda.

Allah ek hai, Allah ka koi Shareek nai, or Mohammed Sallahu Alaih wa sallam Allah k Bandey or Rasool hai.

Mohammed Sallah hu Alaih wa sallam Allah k Mehboob hain, Allah k Nabi(SAW), ka Darja Allah k Baad hai, Agar Allah k Baad, Sabsey Afzal,Aala  wo Bala Zaat, koi hai tho who Humarey Nabi Sarwar-e-Kaainat, Fakhrey Moujdaat, Hum Gunah gaaron ki Shafat karney waley, Hum gareebo k madagar, Aasiyon k Gamkhwar, Syed-ul-Abrar, Hazrat Mohammed Mustafa, Noor-e-Mujjasam (Sallah hu Alaih wa sallam) ki zaat-e-babarakat hai.

or Auliya Allah,      Allah k barguzida bandey hain. jinho ney Allah ki raza haasil kar li.

Hum Nabi-e-Paak, sey maangtey hain tho Unhey Ya Rasul Allah key kar pukaartey hain, Hum Unhey Allah k Rasul keh kar pukartey hain, Allah nai kehtey.or na hi Allah samajhtey hain, Or jo kuch bhi Rasul Allah (SAW) detey hain tho woh Allah ki Ata sey detey hain, Nabi-e-Paak Sallah hu Alaihwa sallam Kareem or Sakhi hain tho Allah ki Ata sey, Nabi-e-Paak Sallah hu Alaih wa sallak k paas jo khazaney hain woh Allah k ata kiye huvey hain.

isi tarah Auliya Allah bhi Allah ki Ata sey hum gareebo ko ata kartey hain. Hum sab sunni unhey Allah keh kar yaa Allah samajh kar nai pukartey, Hum unhey Allah k paak barguzeeda bandey samajh kar pukartey hain. or aisa karna Shirak nai hai.

or Agar aap is ko Shirak kehtey ho tho Challange hai aap sab ko Quraan or Ahadees ki Roshni mein aap saabit kar k batao yeh shirak hai. I challange to All, (Wahabi, Deobandi, Tabligee, Shia, Ahl-e-Hadees, Naayaki, Chakdalwi, Rafizi, etc etc or jo jo bhi tabkey firkey hain sab ko challange).


Aap sab log apney Badey badey Aalim-e-deen or Scholars ko ikkhata karlo, or Hum Ahl-e-Sunnat wa jamat ek taraf.

Dekhney waly, Padhney waley, Jaaney waley, sunney waley, or apney aapko zyada Aqalmand kehney waley bhi dekh lein kon Haq per hai?

Pehley two points ka jawab diya ja chuka hai.

1) Mazarat-e-Auliya per jana shirak, (iska jawab diya gaya tho)
2) Phir kisi ney aitraaz kiya jaana nahi bal k waha jaakar ziyarat karana shirak.( Iska jawab diye tho)

Teesrey point ka jawab is email mein diya hu.

Pehley or Dusrey point per tho aap logo ko koi aitraaz nahi, Agar koi kahey nai bhai, ab bhi aitraaz hai, tho Main kahuga previouse emails padho aap mein sey chand ney khud kaha hai k jaaney per aitraaz nahi hai. Or Agar koi kahey k hum ney nahi kaha tho main email or Date dono k saath aap logo ko reply karsakta hu.

4th ) Pakki Mazarat tho Pehley 3rd point per baat karlein, phir 4th Point per baat karein gey.

To  Zeeshan Siddique

           Zeeshan ney kaha k main ney email mein jhoot kaha hai Ahl-e-Hadees k baarey mein,

Yeh baat jo main kehney jaarah hu, yeh main apney dil sey nai kehra hu, Yeh baat  Ahl-e-Hadis ki kitaab mein likhi hai, or Ahl-e-Hadees yeh baat kehtey huye fakhar mehsoos kartey hain, Even Ahl-e-Hadees k Scholars b yahi baat kehtey hain.
wo Ahl-e-Hadees jamat k  Kalimaat yeh hain.
"Agar hamein taaqat haasil hoti, Ya phir hamari zyada mazahimat na ki jaati tho hum Gunbad-e-Khazra ko dha detey,"
Nauzbillah min Zalik, Maz Allah suma Maz Allah.
Mujehy unki kitaab or Aalim ka naam yaad nahi, but yeh main ney khud kisi Ahl-e-Hadees ki zubani or usney he kitaab mein padh kar sunaya tha. but main usko ab bhi jaanta hu, agar aapko yakeen na ho tho kisi Ahl-e-Hadees k scholar ya Aalim sey puch kar dekhlo or jab tak main b woh kitaab or Aalim-e-deen ka pata laga luga.

Agar main yeh Sabit kardu tho aap kya karo gey?

or jo aapney link bheji  hai woh yaha open nai hori,
http://www.shiatv.net/view_video.php?viewkey=24074754035a5a937d2e

or Waisey bhi yeh Shiatv.net  Shia website hai, or Shia ki main baat per yaqeen b nai karta, Shia is not Muslim.

Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina

Zeeshan Siddiqui

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Janab Talib-e-Madina,

Aap ne baghair sochay samjhay ek bohat barha challenge kardiya hai shayad aapne kabhi Quaraan-e-Pak ko sahih se nahi parha verna aapse yeh himakat kabhi na hoti. Is k liye kisi aalim ki zarurat nahi hai bas Quraani Aayat ko sahih se parh liya jaye tau shirk ki haqeeqat samajh mai aa jayegi. Chand aayaat darj-e-zail hain mulahezah kijiye:

“Aur in se poochho keh tum ko aasmaan aur zameen mai rizk koun deta hai ya tumharay kaanon aur aankhon ka malik kaun hai aur bejaan se jaandar kaun paida karta hai aur jaandar se bejaan kaun paida karta hai aur duniya ke kamon ka intezaam kaun karta hai? Jhat kehdaingay keh Allah. Tau kaho keh phir tum (Allah se) dartay kyun nahi?” (Soorah-e-Younus:31)

“In maise aksar Allah ko mantay hain magar istarah keh iske saath doosron ko shareek thratay hain” (Soorah-e-Yousuf”106)

Shah Waliullah Muhadith dehalvi (Rahimahullah) apni kitab Hajjatul Balighah Jild: 1 Page: 347 per mushrikeen-e-jahiliyat ke baray main farmatay hain:

“Arab ke mushrikeen musalmano ke saath is akeeday mai mutafik thay keh zamen o aasmaan mai jo barhay barhay aham tasarrufat hotay hain in ki tadbeer khud Allah Ta’ala fermata hai’ in ke hal o akad ke silsilay mai kisi doosri hasti ko kuch bhi dakhal nahi’ lekin is se aagay in ko muslamano ke akeeda-e-tauheed se ikhtelaf tha. In ke akeeday ka khulasha yeh tha keh Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala) ke ba’az naik banday hain jinhone apni aziz umrain is ki yaad aur is ki ibadat main sarf kein aur who kaam kartay rahay jin ki badotal inko Allah (Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala) ke haan bohat barha darja-e-qurb hasil huwa. Isliye isne inko khla’at aluhiyat se sarfaraz farmaya aur inko is alam ke ba’az tasarrufat ke ikhtiyar diya aur isliye woh is baat ke mustahik hain keh hum inki parastish karain. Iski misaal who yeh bayan kartay hain keh jis tarah ek barha azeem-ul-iktedaar shahenshah apne mataheton mai jab kisi aisay aisey shakhs ki khidmat se khush hota hai jisni apney aapko is daman-e-sultanate ke saath wabista kar rakha hai tau isko kisi soobay ka hakim banadeta hai aur is soobay ke muamlaat mai har tarah ka tasarruf karne ka isko poora poora ikhtiya de deta hai aur is soobay ke bashindon ka yeh farz hai keh who dil o jaan se iski ita’at  karain aur ike wafadar rahain. Isi tarah jab tak hum in burgazeedgan-e-bargah ki parstish aur oobudiat ka haq ada nah karain. Barah-e-raast Haq Ta’ala ki ibadat karma besood hai. Balkeh haqeeqat yeh hai keh is ki Zaat-e-Akdas ka darja is kadar baland hai keh hum barah-e-raast uski Bargah-e-Akdas mai faizyab ho hi nahi saktay aur inke tawassul ke baghair hamaray liye uska qurb hasil karma mumkin nahi. Janab-e-Bari Ta’ala ne apne kalam-e-mukaddas mai in ke is akeeday ki in alfaz mai tarjumani farmayi hai: (ma na’abudohum illa liyuqrriboona ilallahi zulfi)hum tau inki parastish sirf isliye karte hain keh who hum ko Allah Ta’ala ke bargah-e-qurb tak pohoncha dain. Inka yeh bhi akeeda tha keh yeh ma’abood jin ko Allah Ta’ala ke qurb hasil karnay ka waseela banatay thay. Hamaray sab ahwaal ke hazir o nazir aur dekhtay hain . isliye jab hum inki ibadat karne se inki khushi hasil kar laingay tau who Allah Ta’ala ke haan bamari shifa’at karaingay: (wa yaquloona haoolaaye shufa’aau na ‘indallahi) inka yeh akeeda tha keh yeh hamaray hajat rava aur mushkil kusha hain.

“Aey Nabi (Salllahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wa Sallam) keh do keh logon! Agar tum abhi tak mere deen ke muta’aliq kisi shak mai ho  tau sunlo keh tum Allah ke siva jin ki bandage kartey ho mai in ki bandage nahi karta balkeh sirf usi Khuda ki bandage karta hoon jis ki kabsay mai tumhari maut hai. Mujhay hokum diya gaya hai keh mai eeman lanay walon mai se hoon aur mujh se farmaya gay hai keh yaksoo ho kar apne aapko theek theek is deen par qaim karday’ aur hargiz hargiz mushrikon mai se na ho aur Allah ko chhor kar kisi aisi hasti ko na pukar jo tujhey kisi musibat mai daley tau khud uske siva koi nahi jo is museebat ko taal dey’ aur agar woh terey haq mai kisi bhalai ka irada karey tau uske fazal ko bherney wala bhi koi nahi. Woh apney bandon mai se jis ko chahta hai apney fazal se nawazta hai aur woh darguzar karney wala aur raham farmaney wala hai.” (Soorah-e-Younus:104-107)

“Woh Allah hi tau hai jisney tumharey liye zameen ko jaye karar banaya aur ooper aasman ka gumbad bana diya’ jisney tumhari soorat banayi aur barhi umda banayi jisney tumhain pakeeza cheezon ka rizk diya. Wohi Allah (jiskey yeh kaam hain) tumhara Rab hai. Behisab barkaton wala’ woh kainaat ka Rab’ wohi zinda hai. Uskey siva koi ma’abood nahi. Usiko tum pukaro’ apney deen do uskey liye khalis karkey. Saari ta’areef Allah Rabbil ‘aalameen hi key liye hai. Aey Nabi (Salllahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wa Sallam)! In logon sey kehdo keh mujhey tau un hastiyon ki ibadat sey mana’a kardiya gaya hai jinhe tum Allah ko chhorh kar pukartey ho. (mai yeh kaam kaisey kar sakta hoon) jab keh merey paas merey Rab ki taraf se beenat aachuki hain. Mujhe hokum diya gaya hai keh mai Rabbil ‘aalameen key aagay sar tasleem kham kardoon.” (Soorah-e-Momin:64-66)

“Aur Allah theek theek belaag faisla karey ga. Rahey woh jinko(yeh mushrik) Allah ko chhorh kar pukartey hain’ woh kisi cheez ka faisla karney waley nahi hain. Bilashubah Allah hi sab se behtar sunney wala aur dekhney wala hai.” (Soorah-e-Momin:20)

“Aey zindan ke saathiyo! Tum khud hi socho keh bohat se mutafarrik rab behtar hain ya woh ek Allah jo sab par ghalib hai? Usko chhorh kart um jinki ibadat kar rahe ho who is key siva kuch nahi hain keh bas chand naam hain jo tumney aur tumharey aaba-o-ajdad ne rakh liye hain’ Allah ne unkey liye koi sanad nazil nahi ki. Farman ravai ka iktedar Allah key siva kisi ke liye nahi hai us ka hokum hai keh khud us ke siva tum kisi ki bandagi na karo. Yehi thaith seedha deen hai magar aksar log jantey nahi hain.” (Soorah-e-Yousuf:39-40)

“Aey Paighambar (Salllahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wa Sallam)! Faisley ke ikhtiyarat mai tumhara koi hissa nahi’ Allah ka ikhtiya hai chahey unhe mu’aaf karey’ ya chahey saza dey’ kyunkeh woh zalim hain. Zameen aur aasmaan mai jo kuch hai uska malik Allah hai’ jisko chahey bakhash dey aur jisko chahey azaab dey’ wo mu’aaf karney wala aur raheem hai.” (Soorah-e-Aale Imran:128-129)

Hazarat Abu Huraira (Radhi Allah Anhu) ney kaha jab Allah Ta’ala ney yeh aayat uteri: (wa anzir asheera takal aqrabeena) tau Aan Hazarat (Salllahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wa Sallam) kharhey huye aur farmaney lagey’ aey quraish key logo! Ya kuch aisa hi kalmia kaha tum apni apni janon ko moul lo (bachao) mai Allah key samney tumharey kuch kaam nahi aaney ka. Aey abd manaf key baito! Mai Allah key samney tumharey kuch kaam nahi aaney ka. Aey Abbas (Radhi Allah Anhu) Abdul Muttalib key baitey! Mai Allah key samney tumharey kuch kaam nahi aaney ka.  Aey Safia (Radhi Allah Anha) meri phoopi! Mai Allah key saamney tumharey kuch kaam nahi aaney ka. Aey Fatima (Radhi Allah Anha) Muhammad (Salllahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wa Sallam) ki baiti! Merey maal mai se jo tujhey chahiye maang ley (mai doonga) magar Allah key saamney mai terey kuch kaam nahi aaney ka.” (Sahih Al Bukhari, Kitab Al Tafseer)

“Aey Nabi (Salllahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wa Sallam) kaho keh mai tau apney Rab ko pukarta hoon aur uskey saath kisi ko shareek nahi karta. Kaho’ mai tum logon key liye na kisi nuqsaan ka ikhtiya rakhta hoon’ na kisi bhalai ka. Kaho’ mujhey Allah ki grift se koi bacha nahi sakta aur na mai uskey daman sey siva koi jaye panah pa sakta hoon. Mera kaam iskey siva kuch nahi keh Allah ki baat aur uskey paighamaat pohonchadoon. Ab job hi Allah aur us ke Rasool (Salllahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wa Sallam) ki baat na maney ga uskey liye jahanam ki aag hai aur aisey log us mai hamesha rahengay.” (Soorah-e-Jin:20-23)

Hazarat Ibn-e-Abbas (Radhi Allah Anhu) bayan kartey hain keh mai ek roz Rasoolullah (Salllahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wa Sallam) key peechhey sawar tha keh Aap (Salllahu Alaihi Wa Alihi Wa Sallam) ney farmaya’ aey bacchey! Allah Ta’ala (key ahkamaat) ki hifazat kar Allah Ta’ala teri hifazat kerega’ Tu Allah Ta’ala (key huquq) ki hifazat kar tu Allah Ta’ala ko apney saamney payega. Aur jab tu sawal (ka irada) karey tau Allah Ta’ala se sawal kar aur jab tujhey madad talab karni ho tau Allah Ta’ala key saat madad talab kar aur yaqeen  kar keh tamam makhlooq agar (bilfarz) is baat par jama hojye keh tujhey kuch fayeda pohonchaye tau tujhey sirf is kadar hi fayeda pohoncha sakti hai jis kadar Allah Ta’ala ney terey liye  mukaddar kardiya hai aur agar tamam makhlook is baat par jama ho jaye keh tujhey kuch takleef dena chahey tau tujhey is kadar takleef de sakti hai jis kadar Allah Ta’ala ney terey barey mai likh diya hai. Qalam utha diye gaye hain aur sahifon ki siyahi khushk ho gayi hai.” (Mishkat Al Masabeeh:5302). Is hadith ka apney risaley fatahul ghaib (muqala # 42) mai zikar karney key baad Hazarat Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (Rahmatullah Alaihe) farmatey hain: “Tau har momin par lazim hai keh is hadith (mubarak) ko apney dil ka aaina banaley’ usey ek orhna bichhona aur apni guftugu banaley. (yani) usey chahiye keh is (hadith mubarak) par apni tamam harkaat o saknaat mai amal kaey’ takeh who duniya aur aakhirat mai salamti paa sakey aur (usi key sabab) who dono (duniya o aakhirat) mai Allah Ta’ala ki rahmat o karam nawazi se izzat payega.”

Merey khayal se itni ahadith aur Quraani aayaat kafi hain aap ke challenge ke liye agar ab hi aap na maney tau wohi baat hai keh hidayat dena Allah ka kaam hai jisey chahta hai deta hai.

InshaAllah agli e-mail mai yeh bataney ki koshish karonga keh asli ahle sunnat kaun hotey hain apne munh se khud ko ahle sunnat kehne se koi ahle sunnat nahi ho sakta hai aur aapney jo likha hai keh: Agar main yeh Sabit kardu tho aap kya karo gey? Tau bhai sahib jhoot ka wabal tau aap par hai sabit kar saktey ho tau karo verna suni sunai baat aagey barhaney se bacho. Aap ko ek cheez aur batana chahonga keh aap keh tau rahe ho keh shia is not muslim lekin aap logon mai aur shia mai koi fark nahi hai agar shia muslim nahi hai tau aap bhi nahi ho aur agar aap khud ko muslim kehtey ho tau shia bhi muslim huye koshish karonga keh agli e-mail mai is baat ko sabit karney ki.





From: sage...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:31:56 +0530

Subject: Re: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!

Usman Qasim

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App replay karnay say phelay email phartay b ho ya aisay he reply kar daytay. ya phir app ki urdu bht kamzoor hai kaha kon c baat kis context may ki gaee app wo samaghay bagair he shoro ho jatay hoon. Phelii baat jis cheez ka apnay zikar kia wo sajjdah ka tareeqa zaror hai sharat nahi.. sharat aur tareeqay mai farak hota hai...jukhnay aur sajjdah ka farak mujay pata hai aur agar app pura jumla context may pharay tu wazay hai k wahan juknay say kya matlab hai.. aur akhree baat mainay apni kisi bhi email mai kisi b mazar pay janay walay ko mushrik nahi kaha.. mazar pay jana aur waha ja k shirk walii harkatay karna duno alag batainnn hai.. mainay apni 1st email mai b kaha tha debate zaror karay laykin facts ki base pay personal attack nahi agar mai kuch galat kah raha ho tu mujay quran aur hadith k reference day correct karay .. edhar udhar ki batain na karay
 
 
 





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Subject: RE: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:22:50 +0500

 
Chalain yeh bhi ma bata deta hon.  Sajidah kay liye jusm ki 7 hadiyon ka zameen se lagna shart hai.. baqi tafseel agar aap ka koi Alam hain un se pooch len.  Ma kay qadam choomnay par kiya fatwa lagao gay Agar aap ko jhuknay aur sajidah ka farq maloom nahi to behs hi fazool hai, lehaza khud ko un logon ma shamil honay se bachao jo bghair tehkeek k mazarat par tamam janay walon par mushrik honay ka fatwa laga kar tehkeek khud kaafir ho rahay hain..
 
 
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Subject: RE: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!



 to "in...@lhr.sapphire.com.pk" agar nam likh daytay tu zara jawab daynay mai ahsani rahtii.. masla he yahi meray bhai bahass baraayy bahasss ka koi hall nahi, aur logical baat app kartay nahi hoon. aik baat bata chaloo, app nay aik jaga likha "Sajidah ki kya shartain hain..???" tu meray bhai sajjdah ki koi sharatt nahi sajjdah sirf aik he zaat k agay jaiz hai aur wo ALLAH ki, aur yaha kisi nay aur app nay mazeed kaha "Allah, uskay Rasool aur Auliya per emaan rakhnay walon ko bghair tehkeeq k, mushriq kaha ja raha hai, us per aap ko koi takleef nahi hui" tu meray bhai yaha kisi nay ALLAH uskay Rasool pay emaan waloo ko mushrikk nahi kaha agar kaha hai tu qabroo ko sajjdah karnay waloo ko kaha hai aur haan agar koi ALLAH ki zaat k elava kisi aur k agay jukhna hai aur kisi aur say mangta hai tu usnay shirkk kia...aur mai tu bht say mazarat pay gea hon qabaroo pay jana mana nahi hai... aur mainay mazarat pay ya sab dekha haii ab app pata nahi konsay mazarat pay jatay hoon jo app ko ya sab jhoot aur bauhtan lagta hai...
 
 





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Subject: RE: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:02:25 +0500

Bohat khoob Usman Mian...
Allah, uskay Rasool aur Auliya per emaan rakhnay walon ko bghair tehkeeq k, mushriq kaha ja raha hai, us per aap ko koi takleef nahi hui... Sajidah ki kya shartain hain..??? Kabhi wahan ja kar ghaur kiya hai, kitnay log sajidah kar rhay hain..??? Jhoot aur bauhtan aap kay moun lag chuka hai aur Allah SWT ki taraf se saza kay taur par aap log is ma hamesha mubtala raho gay aur Yeh Allah SWT ki hi zaat hi hai jo aisay logon ko apnay khaas bandon kay nazdeeq bhi phtaknay nahi deti...
 
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Subject: RE: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!


salam to all, i dont want to write agian on this topic, laykin ya " Sag-e-Taiba " sahab nay jis tarha ki language estamal ki hai aur dusroo kafir sabit karnay pay tulay hoe hain tu " SAG-e-Taiba" sahab ya kuch  ahadith aur qurani ayat hai. koi b akal mand insan ya phad kar es ka andaza laga sakta hai k in ka kya matlab hai.. koi tafseer ya kisi alim k pass janay ki zarorat nahi.. ab ya na khana k mazaroo pay sajjdayy nahi hotayy. mazaroo pay sajjday aur qabroo ko chuma jata hai.. hota tu aur b bht kuch hai.. laykin wo aik alag bahass hai.. nechay app nay aik misal de thi (snake) walii ab wo kis per suit kartii hai app achay say andaza laga saktay hain.. aur akhree request ya debate meaning full honi chaee hai logicss pay baat karayy kisi ko kafir sabit karnay ki koshish na karayyy tu acha hai





From: sage...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:45:06 +0530

Subject: Re: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!
Bazmi and Zeeshan. And All

Must read whole reply. or Please aaplog kuch kehtey ho or mera Id Block kardiye ho. tho aap jo kahogey woh tho group mein spread hoga magar jo main reply karuga woh nai hoga. its not fair.

Aapk email ka jawab main aap he ki email mein likh raha hu, ta k confusion Avoid ho. or aapko or Padhney walon ko aasan ho isliye main apna text green mein likh raha hu.

aapka email ka text black hai, or mera answer aap text k aagey ( ) braket mein green colour mein hai. .

Or please mujhey Talib-eMadina ki Bajaye agar Sag-e-Taiba kaho tho Accha hoga. yeh such hai k hum Talabgar-e-Madina hain, Magar Sag-e-Taiba kaha karo.

Sabsey pehley main yeh kehna chahuga. 

Ek bachha apni Ammi sey kehta hai, Ammi main ney sharat lagai hai, k Saanp(snake) k per(wings) hotey hain, Tho us ki Ammi kehti hain bacha Sanp(Snake) k per(Wings) nahi hotey tu sharat haar jaayega. tho woh baccha kehta hai, main nai haaruga, Uski Ammi kehti hai woh kaisey, tho wo baccha jawab deta hai, main maanuga he nai. tho sharat haaruga b nai.

or Aisa he kuch aap yaha per karrey ho.

Chalo aapko aapka jawab deta hu.



On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 8:15 PM, I Am BazMi <soul_o...@yahoo.com> wrote:

 Assalam o alaikum ...

janab e mohtaram ... apne ab tak kisi bhi bat ko mana na hi apni kisi bat ki theek daleel din ..
well...

ap ne apni is emails main kaha k...


1) Mazarat-e-Auliya per jana shirak, (iska jawab diya gaya tho)
2) Phir kisi ney aitraaz kiya jaana nahi bal k waha jaakar ziyarat karana shirak.( Iska jawab diye tho)
3) phir kisi ney aitraaz kiya nai nain wahan jaakar Maangney per aitraaz hai.
4) kisi ney kaha k nai Pakki Mazaar bananey per Aitraaz hai. Aitrazat tho bohot huvey or Ab bhi ho rahey hain, or yeh jitney bhi Aitraazat hain sab Mazarat-e-Auliya ko lekar he ho rahey hain.

chalen aitiraz se ap ko uljahn ho gai hey ...munderjah bala aitirazat k jawabat hi de detey but ye ho nahin saka ap se or ap ne kaha k jawabat de dye ... (Reply of Sag-e-Taiba : Jawbat diye hain, magar aap inkar kartey ho k nai diye, chalo aapk email sey he copy kar k bata hu.

{email wrote by I Am BazMi <soul_o...@yahoo.com> on Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:48 PM

ap ki email shroo hoti hey kuch youn k ''good news ye hey ap ne man lya k qabr per jana jaiz hey'' mery bhai ham ne inkar hi kab kia tha ..but ek bat maine kahi thi qabr nahin Quboor mean qabristan.}

Main ney aapko siraf ek Aam musalmaan ki Qabar ki ziyarat ki Ahadith bataya tha, Tho jab ek Aam Musalmaan ki Qabar ki Ijaazat hai tho Phir Nabi or Vali mein aapko kyon Aitraaz hai? Main ney aap k saamney abhi tak Vali or Nabi ki Qabar ki ziyarat k Ahadeeths nai pehs ki. or waja yeh hai k aap pehley ek aam musalmaan ki Qabar ki ziyarat kiya karein phir baad mein aana Nabi or Vali ki Bargah mein.

Phir aapney Bida-at bhi kaha, or aap ko bid-at ki sahi definatin b nai maalum thi, phir main ney aapko bidaat ki defination bataya woh b emai main hain, agar copy karu tho email bohot lamba ho jaayega. aapney uska reply nai diye, aisey bohot saarey sawal hain.

aap tho ab galat bolna shuru kar chukey hain main ney keh raha hu k main ney jawab diya or aap kehtey hain k main ney jawab nai diya. Agar main ney jawab nai diya tho yeh kalimat jo main ney uper aapk email sey red copy kiya hu tho woh aapney kyon kahey?

Aitraaz, aapney tho bohot kiye, aap bata do purey Quraan shareef mein sey, k kahin bhi likha ho. Mazarat-e-Auliya per jana Shirak hai. yeh ek Jumla bata do main jana chor du ga. Chalange again.

chalo aapka email aagey padhtey hain.)
 
chalen is behes se bahir atey hen....

bunyad per jatey hen...

bunyad hey Qabr.....

ap sirf Qabr ka pukhta honey wala aitiraz ka jawab de den ... baqi guftugu us k bad hoti hey ...mazar, shirk or etc jo bhi ho us per behes hoti rahegi .....
(Reply of Sag-e-Taiba: Pehley Andar tho aao, matlab, pehley mazaar per tho aao, phir bataingey Pakki Qabar k baarey, Pakka batain gey, Mazaar per he nai aatey Pakkey kacchey mein lagey ho, pehly aapko andar tho ley aau)
 
Ab main baqi baton ko chor ker ap k dye gay chelllange per bat karonga...

ye ajeeb c bat nahin ... ap ne poori dunya ko challenge de dya or main naqis ilm rakhney wala ap ka challenge qubool kartey howey main apney dalail paish karney ki koshish karonga ,,, 
 (Reply of Sag-e-Taiba: aapney ney apney aapko Naaqis ilam wala kahey, Jab koi ilam-e-deen mein Naaqis ho tho usko haq nai k woh kisi bhi musalmaan ko mushrik kahey. Ya kisi per Nukta chini karey, Ya phir Anbiya Auliya ki mazarat ya un k ilam k baarey mein kahey, jab wo khud adhura aalim hai, N you r most welcome aapney challange Qubul kiya hai) 

ALLAh se ummmed hey wo meri madad farmay ga .... (Reply of Sag-e-Taiba: Is baat ko yaad rakho aagey bayaan karuga.

ap k text ye hen..



or Auliya Allah,      Allah k barguzida bandey hain. jinho ney Allah ki raza haasil kar li.

Hum Nabi-e-Paak, sey maangtey hain tho Unhey Ya Rasul Allah key kar pukaartey hain, Hum Unhey Allah k Rasul keh kar pukartey hain, Allah nai kehtey.or na hi Allah samajhtey hain, Or jo kuch bhi Rasul Allah (SAW) detey hain tho woh Allah ki Ata sey detey hain, Nabi-e-Paak Sallah hu Alaihwa sallam Kareem or Sakhi hain tho Allah ki Ata sey, Nabi-e-Paak Sallah hu Alaih wa sallak k paas jo khazaney hain woh Allah k ata kiye huvey hain.

isi tarah Auliya Allah bhi Allah ki Ata sey hum gareebo ko ata kartey hain. Hum sab sunni unhey Allah keh kar yaa Allah samajh kar nai pukartey, Hum unhey Allah k paak barguzeeda bandey samajh kar pukartey hain. or aisa karna Shirak nai hai.

or Agar aap is ko Shirak kehtey ho tho Challange hai aap sab ko Quraan or Ahadees ki Roshni mein aap saabit kar k batao yeh shirak hai. I challange to All, (Wahabi, Deobandi, Tabligee, Shia, Ahl-e-Hadees, Naayaki, Chakdalwi, Rafizi, etc etc or jo jo bhi tabkey firkey hain sab ko challange).

chalen ibtida kartey hen ... (Reply of Sag-e-Taiba : Sure)

Qura'an Majeed ki pehli soorat pehli ayat..

sab ta'areefen ALLAH k lye hen jo tamam jahanon ka palney wala hey..(soorat:1,ayat:1)

   (Reply of Sag-e-Taiba : No Objection, its true.)


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ham sirf teri hi ibadat kartey hen or sirf tujh hi se madad chahtey hen .(soorat:1 , ayat:5)
 (Reply of Sag-e-Taiba : No Objection, its true. but is mein yeh kahan likha hai k Auliya or Anbiya sey Maango gey tho Mushrik ho jaao gey? I need answer.)
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jab merey bandey merey barey main AP(Nabi Kareem S.A.W) se sawal karen to Ap(Nabi Kareem S.A.W) keh dijye k main(ALLAH) bohot qareeb hon, her pukarney waley ki pukar ko jab bhi wo mujhey pukarey qubool karta hon, isi lye logon ko bhi chahye k wo meri(ALLAH) bat man lya karen or mujh(ALLAH) per eeman rakhen, yahi un ki bhalai ka bais hey (soorat:2.ayat:186)

 (Reply of Sag-e-Taiba : Main pehley b keh chuka hu aap log Puri Aayat ya phir puri Hadees nai padhtey or na hi us ki tafseer padhtey ho. Or dawa karney nikal jaatey ho? Is it correct?
Aap yahan kya batana chahtey hain? Main apni samajh k aitebar sey aapki sohc likh raha hu. Aapka is aayat k mutabiq yeh batana chahatey hai k :

(jab merey bandey merey barey main AP(Nabi Kareem S.A.W) se sawal karen)

Yahan per sawal karney sey muraad, Mangna hai, aapk mutabiq, yeh aap batana charahey hain is aayat k hiwaley sey right?


Per Sawal k do meaning hain, ek ka meaning hai, Maangna, or ek meaning hai, Jo nahi  maalum hai wo malum karna, or yaha per sawal k meaning hain Maalum karney k, Yeh main apni taraf sey nahi, Quraan sey pesh karra hu, main scanned copy is aayat ki tafseer yahan attach karra hu, or main ney is ki Tafseer ko Under line b kiya hai, Must read. Attachement 1.jpeg mein aayat ka tarjuma hai or Attachment 2.jpeg mein aayat ki Tafseer.

Or Important baat yeh hai k aap shirak k baarey mein kehna chahatey hain, or is aayat mein bhi kahi nahi likha hai K Anbiya or Auliya sey mangna shirak hai. I NEED ANSWER?

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aye Nabi kaho k na to main(Nabi Kareem S.A.W) tum se ye kehta hon k merey pas ALLAH k khazaney hen or na main(Nabi Kareem S.A.W) ghaib janta hon , or na main(Nabi Kareem S.A.W) tum se ye kehta hon k main farishta hon.main to sirf jo kuch merey pas wahi ati hey us ka ittiba'a karta hon, ap kahye k andha or beena kahin barabar ho sakta hey , so kia tum ghor nahin kartey .(soorat:6,ayat:50) $$$

Ittiba'a
: yani merey pas ALLAH k khazaney bhi nahin hen ( mean k har tarah ki qudrat o taqat) k main tumhen ALLAh k uzn o mashiyat k baghair koi aisa bada mo'ojaza sadir kar k dikha doon k tumhen meri sadaqat ka ilm ho jay , or merey pas ghaib ka ilm bhi nahin k mustaqbil main pesh aney waley waqiat se tumhen muttali'e kar don, mujhey farishta honey ka da'awa bhi nahin k tum mujhey aisey kharq adat umoor par majboor karo jo insani taqat se balatar hon. main to sirf us wahi ka pero hon jo mujh per nazil hoti he or is main hadith bhi sahmil he ..
jesa k ap(S.A.W) ne farmaya... ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½mean mujhey Qura'an k sath is ka misl bhi da gaya hey jesey k hadith e Rasool(S.A.W)

andha o beena:
ye istifham Inkar k lye hen ya'ani k andha or beena , gumrah or hidayat yafta or momin or kafir barabar nahin ho saktey ..

(Reply of Sag-e-Taiba : Allahu Akbar, kya aapko zara si bhi Aqal hai, ya phir aap mein zari si bhi sharam hai? Aapney ney jo tafseer likhi hai, ya phir jo wazahat ki hai jisye main ney red kiya hai ,  yeh aapney khud sey ki hai, or aap ek Naaqis Aalim ho. aapko kis ney haq diya? k aap tafseer likho. Toba karo.

Kya aap jaantey ho ismein Allah, Mohammed SAW ko kin sey mukhatib honey ko keh raha hai? Aap hi ki line mein Allah ney kaha k Aye Nabi SAW kaho. Per kisey kehna, or kin ko kehney k liye kaha hai.

Kya Allah k Nabi ney yeh Kalimaat, Momino or Musalmaano k liye kahey they, Ya phir Tamam logo k liye? Kye yeh aap jaantey ho? Agar Nahi tho Tafseer kyon likhi, Deen mein or Quraan mein kyon milawat karney ki koshish karrey ho?

Jab Allah ko kehalwana hota hai Momino ya Musalmano  k liye tho Allah kehta hai Quraan mein : Ya Aayu Hal Lazina Aamino (Aye Imaan walon Ya Aye Momino) or Jab Allah kehna chahata hain Tamam logo sey tho kehta hai, Ya Ayuh ha nnaas(Aye logo) Magar Yaha per Allah ney kaha k Aye Nabi keh do
tho aapko sochna chahiye yeh kin sey kaha jaaraha hai?

Yeh Farmaan hua tha Munfiqeen or Kaafiro k liye, Jo Allah k Nabi per Shak kartey they, or aaj bhi kuch log shak kartey hain, tho yeh farmaan un k liye hai. Or yeh main nahi kehta aap khud Quraan Padhein, See attachment 3.jpeg       Is attahment mein main ney Quraan ki Aayaat or uski Tafseer ko Under line kiya hai. apni aankho sey padhey.

or yeh Farmaan Aaj bhi unhi Kafiro Munafiqin k liye hain, jo Nabi paak SAW per shak kartey hain, hum Momino k liye nahi. ab faisla aap ko karna hai aap kya ho?

Or Sab sey ahem baat, Is aayat mein bhi kahi bhi yeh nahi kaha gaya hai, k Anbiya or Auliya sey mangna shirak hai. I NEED ANSWER?

Allah k Nabi SAW ko Allah ki Ata sey ilam-e-Gaib hai, yeh bhi is ayat sey sabit hai, kyon k baat shirak per ho rahi hai, is liye main zyada wazahat nai karuga, Aqal mand woh jo is aayat ki tafseer or Maani sey samajh jaaye. main Quran ki aisi bohot saari aayat hain jin sey saabit kar sakta hu k Nabi-e-Paak SAW ko ilam-e-Gaib Allah ki Ata sey hai.  Jo Inkaar karey yani Quraan ka Inkar karey woh Kaafir hai.


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Ap farma dijye k main khud apni zat khas k lye kisi nafa'a ka ikhtyar nahin rakhta or na kisi zarar ka , magar itna hi k jitna ALLAh ne chaha ho or agar main ghaib ki baten janta hota to main bohot se munafi'e hasil kar leta or koi nuqsan mujh ko na pohonchta , main to mahaz daraney wala or basharat deney wala hon un logon k lye jo eeman rakhtey hen
(soorat:7, ayat:188)

ye ayat is bat main kitni wazih heyk Nabi Kareem(S.A.W) alim ul ghaib nahin . alim ul ghaib sirf ALLAH ki zat hey.
Halan k ba'az jangon main Ap(S.A.W) k dandan e mubarak bhi shaheed howey Ap(S.A.W) ka chehra e mubarak bhi zakhmi howa,  or Ap.S.A.W ne farmaya k
ye qom kesey falah pa sakti hey jis ne apney Nabi Kareem S.A.W k sir ko zakhmi kia.

Hazrat Ayesha siddiqah(Radhya ALLAH u anha) per tohmat lagi to Nabi Kareem S.A.W sakht muztarib rahey .....
ek yahoodi orat ne Nabi Kareem S.A.W k  khaney main zehre mila dya or (Nabi Kareem S.A.W) ne tanawul bhi farmaya..

(Reply of Sag-e-Taiba :   Bazmi shahab Aap ney kufar kiya hai, Or Kaafir ho chukey ho. Toba karo, Kalima wapas sey padho or Agar Shadi shuda ho tho Nikah phir sey karo. Aapko Naaqis hotey huvey yeh baat keh gaye.  Main Agar main aapki walida per tohamat lagao tho aap kya feel karo gey? or jo Nabi-e-Paak SAW ki Zoja or Hum Musalmaano ki Maa per Tohmat lagaye phir had sey guzar kar Aap SAW per bhi Tohamat lagaye k woh nahi jaantey they? tho aap aisey shaks ko kya kaho gey? Wallah wo kaafir hai, or Gustaakh-e-Rasul SAW hai, Woh Deen ka Gaddar hain Wo Munafiq hai. or Allah usey kabhi nai bakshey ga.
Khamosh hona, ya Muztarib hona is baat ki daleel nahi k unhey maalum na tha, Jistarah aap muztarib ho jaaogey k aapki Walida per main ney ganda sa tohmat lagaya hu isee tarah Nabi-e-Paak SAW bhi Muztarib ho gaye, Or Agar Nabi SAW jab he jawab ata farma detey  tho yeh Munafiq kehtey k dekho Ghar ki baat aayi tho direct bol diye.  Khuda sey bhi nai puchey.  Allah or Allah ki Ata sey Gaib daan Nabi SAW jaantey they k 14th Century mein kuch Aqal waley munafiq aisi baat bhi kahey gey isliye Allah k Nabi ney Khamoshi ikhtiyar  ki or Allah ney Jawab dey diya Quraan mein 11 aayat bhej di. 1 nai 11 aayat. taa k Munafiq bhi dekh ley k Allah Paak, Allah ka Nabi Paak, Allah k Paak Nabi k Ahl-e-Bait Paak or wo saabit hai Quraan sey main puchta hu Yazid Naapak, uski paaki Quraan sey saabit karo? Or jo Napaak ink baarey mein napaak khayalat rakhey woh Napaak or woh Napaak ka thikana jahanam hai.

Yahan Baat ho rahi thi shirak k baarey mein Bazmi yeh kaha chaley gaye aap?
or Mujhey kehtey ho k main ney jawab nai bal k idhar udahr ki baat kahi? Yeh lo aap ney jo aayat pesh ki hai us k baarey mein padho.

Nabi Paak k ilam per hamesha sawalat or Shak o Shubat karna yeh Munafiqon Nishani hai, or yeh main nahi khud Nabi-e-Paak SAW ney farmaya is aayat ki Tafseer mein padho. ab aap hi samajh jaao Shak kis ko hai? kon or jo shak karrey hain woh kon hain?

QURAAN ki aayat ko pura or samajh kar padho.  Naaqis Aalim, Khatra-e-Emaan hota hai.

Aap log is aayat ki Tafseer or Tarjuma dono padhein, See Attachment 4.jpeg. or Aap he batao jo log Naaqis hon or Quraan k Aayat ko Adhoora padhkar or uski Tafseer jaaney bagair fatwey detey hain un logo ko aap kya kaho gey?

Allah k Nabi ki Shaan mein Gustaakhi Kartey hain, Quraani aayat ko logon mein Galat tarikey sey bayaan kartey hain. or Allah ki madad sey umeed rakhtey hain.  Jaisa k inho ney uper email k start mein likha hai.

Beshak Allah or Allah k Rasul SAW unhi ki madad karta hai,  Jo Allah or Nabi-e-Paak Sallah hu Alaih wasallam ki Shaan mein Gustaakhi nai kartey.

Bazmin sahab, Aapko batana hai shirak k baarey mein or yeh kya bayaan hai aapka?

I NEED ANSWER?



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Ap keh dijye k main tum jesa hi ek insan hon, han meri janib wahi ki jati hey k sab ka Ma'abood sirf ek hi hey, to jisey bhi apney perwardigar se milney ki arzoo ho usey chahye k nain a'amal karey or apney parwardigar ki ibadat main kisi ko bhi shareek na karey.(sorat:18.ayat:110)

amal salih wo hey jo sunnat k mutabiq ho , ya'ani joapney RAb ki mulaqat ka yaqeen rakhta he, usey chahye k har amal sunnat k mutabiq karey. or doosrey , ALLAh ki ibadat main kisi ko shareek na karey (dua bhi ibadat hey) is lye k bid'at or shirk donon hi habt a'amal ka sabab hen..ALLAh in donon se haemn mehfoos farmay ameen

(Reply of Sag-e-Taiba : Please zara inki tafseer chor kar Quraan ki Tafseer padho. Seet Attachment 5.jpeg.

Or Bazmi Sahab, Hum tho Allah ki hi Bandagi kartey hain, Main ney kab kaha k hum Anbiya or Auliya ki Bandagi kartey hain? Yaha baat ho rahi hai Shirak per, Kya Anbiya or Auliya sey mangna shirak hai? or is aayat mein yeh kaha hain k Anbiya or Auliya sey madad maango gey tho mushrik ho jaao gey. yeh kahan hain k Mazaraat-e-Auliya ya Anbiya per jao gey tho Mushrik ho jaaogey?

I NEED ANSWER.

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wo rat ko din or din ko rat main dakhil krta hey or aftab o mahtab ko isi kam p lagaya howa hey , har ek mi'aad mo'ayyan par chal rahey hen, yahi hey ALLAh tum sab ka palney wala usi ki saltanat chal rahi hey. jinhen tum us k siwa pukar rahey ho ! wo to khajoor ki guthli k chilkey k bhi malik nahin hen .(13)
agar tu unhen pukaro to wo tumhari pukar sunte hi nahin , or agar (bilfarz) sun bhi len to faryad rasi nahin karengey , bal k qayamat k din tumharey is shirk ka saf inkar kar jaingey, ap ko koi bhi ALLAH jesa khabardar khabren na dega(sorat:35, ayat13-14)

(Reply of Sag-e-Taiba : Zara aap batao gey, yeh jo word hai jinhen or unhen in sey kya Auliya or Anbiya muraad hain? Kya yeh aayaat mein Anbiya or Auliya likha hai?  Yeh aayat Buton k liye hain, Yahan per jinhen or unhen sey murad But(idols) hain, Anbiya or Auliya nai?  Kaafir hai woh shaks jo butoon(idols) ki aayat ko Anbiya or Auliya sey munsalik kardey. or Kaffiron ki aayat Musalmano sey munsalik kardey jaisa k is sey pehley uper pesh gayi aayat ki (soorat:6,ayat:50)  aayat  mein karney ki koshish ki gayi. (sorat:35, ayat13-14) Must seet the Attachment 6.jpeg

Kya is Aayat mein likha hua hai, Anbiya or Auliya sey mangna shirak hai?
I NEED ANSWER.

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Ap keh dijye ! k main koi bilkul anokha paighambar to nahin, na mujhey ye maloom hey k merey or tumhary sath kia kia jay ga, main to sirf  Us ki pairwi karta hon jo meri taraf wahi bheji jati hen or main to sirf alal e'lan agah karney wala hon(soorat:46,ayat:9)

(Reply of Sag-e-Taiba : Bazmi sahab aap bata ney waley they Anbya Auliya sey mangnga shirak hai, or aap tho ilam-e-Gaib k baarey mein shuru ho chukey ho? yeh kya hai, Chalo hamara tho Imaan hai k Nabi-e-Paak SAW ko Allah ki Ata sey ilam-e-Gaib hai. or yeh bhi isi aayat ki tafseer mein mojud hai. Must read Tarjuma with Tafseer. Attachment 7.jpeg and 8.jpeg.  is aayat ki Tafseer Adhi 7.jpeg mein or Aadin 8.jpeg mein hai. read both.


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wesey poora Qura'an majeed Us ki har ek ayat dil karta tha likh don ...well

(Reply of Sag-e-Taiba : Bami sahab, Main ney kaha tha k Anbiya or Auliya sey mangna shirak nai hai. or us per aapney Quraan ki Chand aayat pesh ki, Main ney us ka jawab aapko Quraan ki unhi aayat sey diya. or mera chalange tha k koi sabit kar k dikha dey k Anbiya or Auliya sey mangna shirak hai. main ney sab ko chalange kiya tha magar aapney aisi ek aayat bhi nai bataye jismein kaha gaya ho k Anbiya or Auliya sey madad mangna shirak hai. aapney kaha poora Qura`an. Main chahata hu agar aap ab bhi kuch pesh karna chahatey hain Quraan sey tho Sabit karo. Ek aayat Pura Qur`an tho door ki baat hai, Ek aayat dikha do jismein likha ho k Anbiya or Auliya sey mangna Shirak hai.


ab ek tareekhi waqia arz hey ... main zyda tool nahin donga is email ko isi ley ek wo waqia jo main pehley bhi share ker chuka hon wo yahan phir se share kerta hon ...

Hazrat Anas (ra) kehtay hain k Jab qehet prta, Umer-bin-Khattab(ra) Hazrat Abbas(ra) -ibne-Abdulmutlb k waseelay se baarish ki dua krtay aur kehtay:

"Ay hamaray Allah! ham teri taraf apnay Nabi(peace be upon him) ka waseela ikhtiyaar krtay thay (yani un ki zindagi main un say dua krwaatay thay). Aur Tu hamein seraab krta tha. Ab (Aap (peace e pon him) ki wafaat k baad) teri taraf apnay Nabi(peace be upon him) k chacha ka waseela ikhtiyaar krtay hain (Yani un se dua krwaatay hain) ps tu ham ko paani pila." Anas-bin-Maalik(ra) kehtay hain "Ps wo seraab kiyay jaatay thay".
[Sahih Bukhari , Hadeeth 1010]


(Reply of Sag-e-Taiba : isey kehtey hain Haq, Main ney kaha tha k Anbiya or Auliya sey mangna shirak hai aap sabit karein, Magar yahan aapney he Bukhari ki ek Hadeeth Pesh ki hai, Jismein aap ney likha hai K

Umer-bin-Khattab(ra) Hazrat Abbas(ra) -ibne-Abdulmutlb k waseelay se baarish ki dua krtay aur kehtay

or tho or aagey
"Ay hamaray Allah! ham teri taraf apnay Nabi(peace be upon him) ka waseela ikhtiyaar krtay thay

in dono baaton sey tho bilkul saaf hai, k Allah k Nabi SAW ka waseela ley kar Sahaba ney dua ki hai, or tho or Ahl-e-Bait Yaani Abbas(ra) -ibne-Abdulmutlb (Chacha) k Wasiley dua ki bhi hai, or woh dua Qubul bhi hai. tho ab is mein shirak kahan hua?



ALLAH k bargazeedah bandey bhi merey or ap jesey hen ...but unhone apni ibadat or sakht jaddojuhad or ALLAH ki mohabbat main aik khas muqam hasil kar lya ...or hamen bhi ek rasta bata gay k is tarah chalo gay to falah pa jao gey...

ALLAH ham sab ko rah e hidayat p chalay or har har qadam per hamari madad farmay ...behsak Ya RAb teri madad k baghair ham kuch nahin ...

Main ney jab bhi Chalange kiya tha or Ab bhi usi chalange ko wapas yaha copy karra hu:


Hum sab sunni unhey Allah keh kar yaa Allah samajh kar nai pukartey, Hum unhey Allah k paak barguzeeda bandey samajh kar pukartey hain. or aisa karna Shirak nai hai.

or Agar aap is ko Shirak kehtey ho tho Challange hai aap sab ko Quraan or Ahadees ki Roshni mein aap saabit kar k batao yeh shirak hai. I challange to All, (Wahabi, Deobandi, Tabligee, Shia, Ahl-e-Hadees, Naayaki, Chakdalwi, Rafizi, etc etc or jo jo bhi tabkey firkey hain sab ko challange).

To
     Zeeshan

kyon k main Bazmi sahab ka email ka answer likhraha tha isliye aapka answer na likh saka, magar aapka answer bhi Zarrur dunga, Merey paas waqat ki Qillat hai, warna aapka b answer zarur likhta. Insha Allah aapko mera reply ek do din mein zaroor milega.

Aasi O Gunah Gaar Talib-e-Madina
Sag-e-Taiba



Subject: Re: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!
Allah hafiz


Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina


Dear All,

I canï؟½t able to understand that why we wish to close our eyes and why non-muslims has become derider upon us. Why we left teachings of Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) when Allahï؟½s apostle (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) taught us that we should worship of saints and build their tombs. Arenï؟½t we going on the track of Hindus & Christians. Yes indeed we are doing same thing more or less. We all should do our betterment according to Quran & Sunnah.

We should go on the narrow way by Allahï؟½s mercy.

AMEEN

Sapphire

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Aap ko kis nay haq da diya k jhuknay ka matlab khud se akhaz kar len. Deen ko apni aqqal kay taabe mat samjho.  Maa ki Qabar ya kisi buzurg ki Qabar kay paon choomna Quran o Hadith se saabit kar den k na-ja'aizi hai, shirk to boht door ki baat hai. Baqi rahi sajidah ki baat to us ko kabhi bhi, kisi daur ma aur kisi Alam na aaj tak ghair Allah ja'aiz nahi kaha na likha.  Aap aisay chand logon ki misaal pesh kar kay dahndora kun peetna shuru kar detay ho. Kiya aap kay is fail se log mazaron par jana band kar den gay bulkeh Allah SWT ki Anwaraat o Tajalliyaat kay hasool kay liye aqeedat mandon ki tadaad barhti ja rahi hai.  Lekin un tamam logon par yeh waajib hai jo kisi shakhs to sajidah kartay dekhain to usay piyaar se us haram kaam se rokain, na k usay sir dekh kr aa ja'ain ya kisi se sun kar shirk shirk ka shor machana shur kar den.  Aisa karna sirf khud ko halaaq karnay wala fail hai, agar koi samajhna chahay to....
 
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Subject: RE: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!


jesa k ap(S.A.W) ne farmaya... أوتيت القران ومثله معهmean mujhey Qura'an k sath is ka misl bhi da gaya hey jesey k hadith e Rasool(S.A.W)

andha o beena:
ye istifham Inkar k lye hen ya'ani k andha or beena , gumrah or hidayat yafta or momin or kafir barabar nahin ho saktey ..

Allah hafiz


Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina


Dear All,

I can’t able to understand that why we wish to close our eyes and why non-muslims has become derider upon us. Why we left teachings of Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) when Allah’s apostle (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) taught us that we should worship of saints and build their tombs. Aren’t we going on the track of Hindus & Christians. Yes indeed we are doing same thing more or less. We all should do our betterment according to Quran & Sunnah.

We should go on the narrow way by Allah’s mercy.

AMEEN

Zeeshan Siddiqui

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Bhai Sahab! Najayez sabit karney ki jo baat aapne ki hai keh sabit kiya jaye pehley aap tau sabit kar dain keh qabar ko choomna jayez hai. Quaran ki kisi bhi aayat se ya kisi bhi hadith se!!!

Subject: RE: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 15:47:58 +0500
jesa k ap(S.A.W) ne farmaya... ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½mean mujhey Qura'an k sath is ka misl bhi da gaya hey jesey k hadith e Rasool(S.A.W)

andha o beena:
ye istifham Inkar k lye hen ya'ani k andha or beena , gumrah or hidayat yafta or momin or kafir barabar nahin ho saktey ..

Allah hafiz


Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina


Dear All,

I canï؟½t able to understand that why we wish to close our eyes and why non-muslims has become derider upon us. Why we left teachings of Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) when Allahï؟½s apostle (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) taught us that we should worship of saints and build their tombs. Arenï؟½t we going on the track of Hindus & Christians. Yes indeed we are doing same thing more or less. We all should do our betterment according to Quran & Sunnah.

We should go on the narrow way by Allahï؟½s mercy.

AMEEN

Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina

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Zeeshan

     Chalo aapko pata tho chala k main jhoot nai bola tha k mera email id block, aapka bhi tha shayad, magar main ney tho aap per tho aap per ilzam nai lagaya tha is baarey mein. kisi ney kaha k main jhoot bol raha hu jab k merey email sab ko phonch rahey hain, Tab main ney jawab mein kaha k CC dekho kis kis ko email pohchi hai?

Tho ab aap kuch or he story bayan karrey ho aap ki email id ko lekar.

leave it about it. Aap ney jo kaha k aap ney Hazarat Shahwailullah ki kitaab sey jo ikhtesab bheja hai, Tho Jo kitaab aapney bheji hai, woh kitaab hai banaam Aadab-e-Quboor Likhney waaley Ahl-e-Hadees k Aalim Mohammed bin Ibrahim Jona gadhi hain. or Chapi Maktaba Ahl-e-Hadess Trust Karachi sey hai,

Insha Allah, Bohot Jald main b is k jawab mein kitaab bheju ga. Process chal raha hai.

Ahl-e-Hadeeso ney Quraan ki Tafseer mein Gadbad ki. Chand Ahl-e-Hadees ka kehna hai k Tafseer ki Zarurat he nai. Kyon k Inki Tafseer galat sabit huvi.  Ahl-e-Hadees k Aalim Rabbani ney tho Bukhari k saath bhi chedkhani ki tho woh Hazarat Shahwailullah ki kitaab k saath kyon kar riayaat karein gey?

Ahl-e-Hadees k Badey Mufti Rabbani ney Bukhari ki Kai Hadeeso ko Zaaieef kaha, or unhey Alag kiya Bukhari sey. Yeh main nai kehta khud Rabbani sahab or Ahl-e-Hadees k Aaim kehtey hain. Puch kar tehqeeq karo, kyon k aap mujhey tho jhoota he kaho gey. or Jab tumharey Aalim bhi tumhey nai bataein tho main un ki tehreer aapko bata duga. un logo ney khud Qubul kiya hai tehreer mein. Magar pehley aap pucho.

Bukhari Sharif ka sab sey zyada bukhar Ahl-e-Hadees ko he hai. tho Question yeh k Jab Bukhari ko Sahi maantey ho tho us Bukhari Sharif ki Hadeeson k saath chedkhani kyon ki gayi?

or 14th Century mein kya Rabbani sahab per Vahi aayi thi k Bukhari ki chand Hadeesein Zaef or chand hadeesein sahi nahin hain?

or tho or Bukhari Hadees ki kitaab hai, Ahl-e-Hadeeson ney Quraan ki Tafseer mein bhi milawat karney ki naapak koshish ki Magar jisey Allah ney Mehfooz kiya ho. Usey koi kya badal sakta hai?

or Jo kitaab aapney pesh ki hai, aap sey  request karuga jitni baatein or jo kuch b refrences diye gaye hain, Hazrat Shawalliullah, Imam-e-Azam Abu Hanifa, or Deegar Buzurgaan-e-deen k. aap un refrence sey woh kitaab padho jiska hiwala aap k Ahl-e-Hadees Aalim ney di hai. or usey khud sey read karo or ho sakey tho scan kar k send karo. Jab pata chalega haq kya hai?

or Aisa main is liye keh raha hu, Jab aap logo ney Quraan ki jo aayat pesh ki hain Shirak ko lekar usey istrah sey bayaan kiya gaya jaisey woh aayat Anbiya or Auliya ki Mazaron per utri hain. Jab k woh aayat Munfiqeen or Butoon(idols) per utri thi.  yeh Saabit hua Quraan ki Tafseer sey. k sey Galat tarikey sey musalmaano mein bayan kiya gaya.

Tho Jo Jamat Ahl-e-Hadees Quraan ki aayat ko Galat Tarikey sey bayaan karey, woh kisi or kitaab ki baaton ko kyon kar sahi Tariqey sey bayaan karein gey?

Agar Main in hiwalon ki  tashreeh karu tho aap kahogey main jhoot bol raha hu, or chunk merey paas filwaqat yeh kitaabein nai hain, warna main padh leta. or scan kar k aapko jawab bhi de deta,  Agar aapk paas hain tho zaroor padho. aap khud woh kitab padho or woh hiwala bhi magar complete Adhura nai.

or Puri Kitaab mein Shirak ki sahi Defination nai hai. or jo hai woh aap k Ahl-e-Hadees Ulema ney Adhuri or galat bayan ki hai.

or Agar main galat hu tho aap khulasa kardo.

Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina


2010/12/3 Zeeshan Siddiqui <zshans...@hotmail.com>
jesa k ap(S.A.W) ne farmaya... أوتيت القران ومثله معهmean mujhey Qura'an k sath is ka misl bhi da gaya hey jesey k hadith e Rasool(S.A.W)

andha o beena:
ye istifham Inkar k lye hen ya'ani k andha or beena , gumrah or hidayat yafta or momin or kafir barabar nahin ho saktey ..

Allah hafiz


Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina


Dear All,

I can’t able to understand that why we wish to close our eyes and why non-muslims has become derider upon us. Why we left teachings of Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) when Allah’s apostle (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) taught us that we should worship of saints and build their tombs. Aren’t we going on the track of Hindus & Christians. Yes indeed we are doing same thing more or less. We all should do our betterment according to Quran & Sunnah.

We should go on the narrow way by Allah’s mercy.

AMEEN

Sapphire

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kiya bewaqoofana sawal kiya hai aap na. yeh to yeh baat hoi k Quran se saabit karo peeza khana jaiz hai, ya coke peena jaiz hai k nahi. Quran se to aap namaz ka tareeqa bhi saabit nahi kar saktay.  Jis baat ko quran o shariat mana na karay, aap kon hotay hain k us kaam ko apni marzi se najaiz ya haram kahain...
 
Kiya ahle hadithon k liyae jaiz hai k aslaha kay zor par masjidon par qabzay kartay phirain aur kiya yeh bhi  jaiz hai k musalman abaadi kay darmiyan rehtay huway apni masjidon ko aslaha (amunation) ka depo bana len. 
Sabit karain ab Quran se ya hadith se..
jesa k ap(S.A.W) ne farmaya... ط£ظˆطھظٹطھ ط§ظ„ظ‚ط±ط§ظ† ظˆظ…ط«ظ„ظ‡ ظ…ط¹ظ‡mean mujhey Qura'an k sath is ka misl bhi da gaya hey jesey k hadith e Rasool(S.A.W)

andha o beena:
ye istifham Inkar k lye hen ya'ani k andha or beena , gumrah or hidayat yafta or momin or kafir barabar nahin ho saktey ..

Allah hafiz


Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina


Dear All,

I can’t able to understand that why we wish to close our eyes and why non-muslims has become derider upon us. Why we left teachings of Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) when Allah’s apostle (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) taught us that we should worship of saints and build their tombs. Aren’t we going on the track of Hindus & Christians. Yes indeed we are doing same thing more or less. We all should do our betterment according to Quran & Sunnah.

We should go on the narrow way by Allah’s mercy.

AMEEN

Usman Qasim

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bhai ya HAQ app ko kisnay dea hai k app aik maslik ki aalim ki tafseer ko galat sabit karooo.. kon hoo app..?? kahan k AAlim hoo?? muftii ho?? jab say ya bahas chal rahi hai kisinay maslik pay baat nahi ki app nay aik ratt lagaeee hoee hai apnay aalimm say poochoo ..., ahl-e-hadees.. khabhi kuch khabhi kuch.. ya bht sensitive issue hotay hain aisay he muu utta k nahi jis ko jo dil chaha bool dea bas khud ko sacha sabit karnay k leye.... ya kuch link send kar raha hon agar ya dekh k b na manoo k mazarat pay shirk hota hai tu phir lagay rahaoo jo karna hai karooo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdoBSJtsv9o&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNmW2xTCH8c&feature=related

 
 
 





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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 10:51:36 +0530

Subject: Re: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!
2010/12/3 Zeeshan Siddiqui <zshans...@hotmail.com>
jesa k ap(S.A.W) ne farmaya... ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½ ï؟½ï؟½ï؟½mean mujhey Qura'an k sath is ka misl bhi da gaya hey jesey k hadith e Rasool(S.A.W)

andha o beena:
ye istifham Inkar k lye hen ya'ani k andha or beena , gumrah or hidayat yafta or momin or kafir barabar nahin ho saktey ..

Allah hafiz


Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina


Dear All,

I canï؟½t able to understand that why we wish to close our eyes and why non-muslims has become derider upon us. Why we left teachings of Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) when Allahï؟½s apostle (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) taught us that we should worship of saints and build their tombs. Arenï؟½t we going on the track of Hindus & Christians. Yes indeed we are doing same thing more or less. We all should do our betterment according to Quran & Sunnah.

We should go on the narrow way by Allahï؟½s mercy.

AMEEN

Hashim Ali

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Dec 3, 2010, 1:25:23 AM12/3/10
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When someone has been sentenced by the Allah Almighty no one can rescue him / her.

It is clear that Sahaba were the best people on the face of this earth after Anbya. There is no single quote of Hadith which confirm them going to any grave for Qadam Boosi or Fatiha or to ask any favor from the grave men. They had the best person on earth lying in grave in their city of Madina attached to the Holy Masjid-e-Nabvi. They were the most powerful rulers and the world used to shiver by even listening to their names. They were given respect in the world by every human being (Muslim / Non - Muslim).

Now we have more than 2 billion Muslims which huge no of Mazar's. Most of them go their for the said Qadam Boosi, Fateha and for Favors from those grave men. but the result is exact opposite. These people (so called Muslims of Ahle Sunnat Wal Jammat) are the most disgraced and disrespected personalities of this world. No body listen what they say and no Non - Muslim is afraid of them, rather laugh at them and write poems to disgrace them. Hindu poet did not write anything which is the part of our religion rather he was trying the point out the similarities between the two. He was trying to seek knowledge on the fact that if Muslims and Hindus do the same kind of worship with same believes than why don't they have the same treatment on the day of judgement (we say Allah is the best Judge).  

Whenever we take an exam we have to study the books prescribed by the examination authority else we fail. Same is the case with religion if we do not study the book prescribed by Allah the Almighty and the directions given by our teacher Muhammad (PBUH) we will definitely fail. 

It is a fact that when we buy any item from the market we do all the verifications, market studies and searches. We also study literature about those items and never buy on referral by any Molvi etc. But when we talk about religion we leave it on Molvi's hands and never try to verify what he says. We never ever do any accountability on that person. It is very shameful for us to contradict the verser of Quran and Saying's of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and never pay any respect to these pearls. We have the sayings of totally unknown strangers against Quran and Hadith to follow. 

Please study Islam, not defend your sact.

Your Well Wisher.


jesa k ap(S.A.W) ne farmaya... أوتيت القران ومثله معهmean mujhey Qura'an k sath is ka misl bhi da gaya hey jesey k hadith e Rasool(S.A.W)

andha o beena:
ye istifham Inkar k lye hen ya'ani k andha or beena , gumrah or hidayat yafta or momin or kafir barabar nahin ho saktey ..

Allah hafiz


Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina


Dear All,

I can’t able to understand that why we wish to close our eyes and why non-muslims has become derider upon us. Why we left teachings of Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) when Allah’s apostle (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) taught us that we should worship of saints and build their tombs. Aren’t we going on the track of Hindus & Christians. Yes indeed we are doing same thing more or less. We all should do our betterment according to Quran & Sunnah.

We should go on the narrow way by Allah’s mercy.

AMEEN

Sapphire

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Aap logon ko haq hasil hai k waqt kay Walion par ungliyan uthao aur Gumbad Khizra par aitiraz karo.  Sharam aani chahiyae tum logon ko. Khud ko kiya samajh liya hai..??  Itnay Allah SWT se b-khauf ho chukay ho...??? Vahi utarti hai tum logon par...???
Khud ko sacha saabit karnay k liyae kis had se nahi guzar rahay tum log..
 
Jab kisi na convert hona hi nahi to kun muzakray ko tool kun de rahay ho.. Abhi to sirf wali par ungli uthai hai koi  baeed nahi tum log se k Rasool Allah par airterazat shru kar do gay..
 
SAGE TAIBA SB.
--
BAND KAR DEN IS MUZAKRAY KO, NAHI TO YEH RASOOL ALLAH KAY BARAY MA BHI HAMRAY JAZBAT MAJROOH KARNA SHURU KAR DEN GAY, KUN K YEH BETHAY HI IS MISSION KAY TEHAT HAIN...
 
 
2010/12/3 Zeeshan Siddiqui <zshans...@hotmail.com>
jesa k ap(S.A.W) ne farmaya... أوتيت القران ومثله معهmean mujhey Qura'an k sath is ka misl bhi da gaya hey jesey k hadith e Rasool(S.A.W)

andha o beena:
ye istifham Inkar k lye hen ya'ani k andha or beena , gumrah or hidayat yafta or momin or kafir barabar nahin ho saktey ..

Allah hafiz


Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina


Dear All,

I can’t able to understand that why we wish to close our eyes and why non-muslims has become derider upon us. Why we left teachings of Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) when Allah’s apostle (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) taught us that we should worship of saints and build their tombs. Aren’t we going on the track of Hindus & Christians. Yes indeed we are doing same thing more or less. We all should do our betterment according to Quran & Sunnah.

We should go on the narrow way by Allah’s mercy.

AMEEN

Join Pakistan

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Dec 3, 2010, 7:00:42 PM12/3/10
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DEAR GROUP MEMBERS,
 
THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR COMMENTS ON A HINDU POET. 
 
BUT FOR GOD SAKE TRY TO UNDERSTAND.  WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS AS FOLLOW:-
 
1) Mazarat per ja kar sirf aap Fatiha Khawani aur Quran ki Tilawat karain.  Agar koi aadmi apni kum aqali say khuch ghalat karta hai to deekhnay walay ko chahi hai kay us ko samjahay kay ye aap ghalat kar rahay ho.
 
2) Kisi ko bura bahla na kaho us ko samjaho agar wo samaj ja to good nahi to aap us ki hidayat kay liay Allah say Dua karo kay Allah us kay achaey ka rasta deekha day, aamin.
 
3) Sub ka is baat per yaqeen aur imaan hai kay Allah Aik hai aur us ka koi shareek nahi hai, Sura Ikhlas wazay hai.
 
4) Mazart per ye jo kuch aap nay video main deekhya, ye sub education ki kami hai, lehaza in ko bunyad bana kar kisi per attack na karain. 
 
5) Aakhri baat : 
        Allah aik hai, na us say koi hai na wo kis say hai.
        Hazarat Muhammad Sallilah ho Wasalam Aakhri Nabi hain
        Allah kay barguzida bandon ki qaboor per ja ka Fatiha Khuwani karain,
        laikin koi mushrikana amal na karain.
 
Khuda ra aapas main na larain, aik dusray ko bura balah na kahain, aap ko achi baat maloom hai to sub ko batain warna khamoosh rahain.
 
Therefor I am closing this topic and thanks for all of you who contributed and send their comments.
 
Regards / Admin - joinPakistan
 
 
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