Newby questions
darkpollo
I have been out of this project since 2009 and yesterday i try it
again.
First thing is to say congratulations. You have made a great job, the
installation is much easier than before, everything works perfect (i
need to config the email though) and Jobsworth now is one of the best
management tools on the web.
Thank you very much.
Now the questions. :)
1- How can i complete a task? I now i can do it if i open the task and
move to closed, but, is there any one-click action to complete tasks?
I cannot find the old checkboxes anymore.
2- Is there any way to make someone to approve the task someone has
finished? Like a review by the manager or something like that.
3- What does Snooze do? I have seen two snoozes, one check box and one
on the bottom with a date. Could you explain how them works?
4- What can i do with the email?
5- Can i create a task by email?
6.- What are the resource types?
Well, from now is ok, i will keep playing with it.
Thanks again
Ángel - darkpollo
www.planetahuevo.es
Aristedes Maniatis
> Hi Ari,
> I have been out of this project since 2009 and yesterday i try it
> again.
> First thing is to say congratulations. You have made a great job, the
> installation is much easier than before, everything works perfect (i
> need to config the email though) and Jobsworth now is one of the best
> management tools on the web.
>
> Thank you very much.
Thanks. I am glad you like it.
>
> Now the questions. :)
>
> 1- How can i complete a task? I now i can do it if i open the task and
> move to closed, but, is there any one-click action to complete tasks?
> I cannot find the old checkboxes anymore.
They are gone because I wanted to implement more rigorous workflows. That is, I didn't want to make it too easy for people to close a staff without reading the latest comments on the task, reviewing the information there, etc. I've thought about going further: ensuring that tasks are (for my installation) given a state of 'testing' before they are moved to 'closed'. For this reason, I also separated the concept of 'closed' from other task states.
Look at sophisticated workflows available in Jira for the sort of thing I mean.
> 2- Is there any way to make someone to approve the task someone has
> finished? Like a review by the manager or something like that.
See above point. Right now, here's what you need to do:
1. Create new task property called "state":
- in progress
- waiting approval
(and maybe more)
2. Remove one user's permission to close tasks. But they can still set that task to 'waiting approval'
3. Create a saved filter for the manager to see what tasks are awaiting approval.
> 3- What does Snooze do? I have seen two snoozes, one check box and one
> on the bottom with a date. Could you explain how them works?
They are still a little bit work-in-progress. But it is mostly there:
https://github.com/ari/jobsworth/wiki/Dependencies
> 4- What can i do with the email?
What email?
> 5- Can i create a task by email?
Absolutely!
> 6.- What are the resource types?
Resources are anything you want them to be. Websites, computers, rooms, whiteboards, etc. You can give them arbitrary properties.
>
> Well, from now is ok, i will keep playing with it.
>
> Thanks again
>
> �ngel - darkpollo
> www.planetahuevo.es
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darkpollo
Some more questions, there are too many new things.
Is there any way to set up a task to repeat when it is complete?
How can i setup a reminder by email for a task?
Thanks
Aristedes Maniatis
> Hi again,
>
> Some more questions, there are too many new things.
> Is there any way to set up a task to repeat when it is complete?
No, I removed repeating tasks, again because it interfered with the concept of a workflow for tasks open-> action -> closed
> How can i setup a reminder by email for a task?
That feature never seemed to work right from the beginning when I started working on the code and I never bothered trying to figure out why. Since I personally have 200 open tasks I don't really miss getting all those emails.
Personally, I'd rather work on other ways to remind users: android app, rss feeds, etc.
Ari
darkpollo
On Oct 14, 12:21 pm, Aristedes Maniatis <a...@ish.com.au> wrote:
> On 14/10/11 9:12 PM, darkpollo wrote:
>
> > Hi Ari,
> > I have been out of this project since 2009 and yesterday i try it
> > again.
> > First thing is to say congratulations. You have made a great job, the
> > installation is much easier than before, everything works perfect (i
> > need to config the email though) and Jobsworth now is one of the best
> > management tools on the web.
>
> > Thank you very much.
>
> Thanks. I am glad you like it.
>
>
>
> > Now the questions. :)
>
> > 1- How can i complete a task? I now i can do it if i open the task and
> > move to closed, but, is there any one-click action to complete tasks?
> > I cannot find the old checkboxes anymore.
>
> They are gone because I wanted to implement more rigorous workflows. That is, I didn't want to make it too easy for people to close a staff without reading the latest comments on the task, reviewing the information there, etc. I've thought about going further: ensuring that tasks are (for my installation) given a state of 'testing' before they are moved to 'closed'. For this reason, I also separated the concept of 'closed' from other task states.
>
> Look at sophisticated workflows available in Jira for the sort of thing I mean.
>
minor tasks i think it will be ok as it is. :)
> > 2- Is there any way to make someone to approve the task someone has
> > finished? Like a review by the manager or something like that.
>
> See above point. Right now, here's what you need to do:
>
> 1. Create new task property called "state":
>
> - in progress
> - waiting approval
> (and maybe more)
>
> 2. Remove one user's permission to close tasks. But they can still set that task to 'waiting approval'
>
> 3. Create a saved filter for the manager to see what tasks are awaiting approval.
>
> > 3- What does Snooze do? I have seen two snoozes, one check box and one
> > on the bottom with a date. Could you explain how them works?
>
> They are still a little bit work-in-progress. But it is mostly there:
>
> https://github.com/ari/jobsworth/wiki/Dependencies
>
> > 4- What can i do with the email?
>
> What email?
>
The important question is the next one, but maybe there is somewhere
to find commands or things that can be done by email, like...
> > 5- Can i create a task by email?
>
> Absolutely!
>
priorities or other atributes by email?
I found the default project for emails, but no more info about this.
> > 6.- What are the resource types?
>
> Resources are anything you want them to be. Websites, computers, rooms, whiteboards, etc. You can give them arbitrary properties.
>
>
Thank you.
darkpollo
On Oct 14, 12:51 pm, Aristedes Maniatis <a...@ish.com.au> wrote:
> On 14/10/11 9:38 PM, darkpollo wrote:
>
> > Hi again,
>
> > Some more questions, there are too many new things.
> > Is there any way to set up a task to repeat when it is complete?
>
> No, I removed repeating tasks, again because it interfered with the concept of a workflow for tasks open-> action -> closed
>
tasks.
Related to this:
Can i save a complete project template?
> > How can i setup a reminder by email for a task?
>
> That feature never seemed to work right from the beginning when I started working on the code and I never bothered trying to figure out why. Since I personally have 200 open tasks I don't really miss getting all those emails.
>
> Personally, I'd rather work on other ways to remind users: android app, rss feeds, etc.
are talking about other third apps to manage reminders?
The rss feed can be configured on the overview tab, any other thing
that i need to know about it?
Thanks
Ángel
Aristedes Maniatis
> And how can i do that? :D Send an email and thats it? Can i setup
> priorities or other atributes by email?
> I found the default project for emails, but no more info about this.
Yes, it does not read meta-data from the email. I never found a good way to do that which would be easy to remember and use.
Ari
Aristedes Maniatis
> Can i save a complete project template?
No, just task templates. For my own use I create projects rarely. 12,000 tasks, but only about 30 projects.
>>> How can i setup a reminder by email for a task?
>>
>> That feature never seemed to work right from the beginning when I started working on the code and I never bothered trying to figure out why. Since I personally have 200 open tasks I don't really miss getting all those emails.
>>
>> Personally, I'd rather work on other ways to remind users: android app, rss feeds, etc.
>
> I didnt know that there is an android app about this, is there? Or you
> are talking about other third apps to manage reminders?
> The rss feed can be configured on the overview tab, any other thing
> that i need to know about it?
I'd like an android app. But no, I haven't written one. Unlikely to happen soon unless someone steps up to the task.
interfaSys sàrl
Olivier
Aristedes Maniatis
That would be the first step, creating an API.
darkpollo
http://www.toodledo.com/info/help_email.php
I am using that a lot and works fine.
Ángel
On Oct 14, 2:08 pm, Aristedes Maniatis <a...@ish.com.au> wrote:
> On 14/10/11 10:33 PM, darkpollo wrote:
>
> > And how can i do that? :D Send an email and thats it? Can i setup
> > priorities or other atributes by email?
> > I found the default project for emails, but no more info about this.
>
> Yes, it does not read meta-data from the email. I never found a good way to do that which would be easy to remember and use.
>
> Ari
>
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> Aristedes Maniatis
Aristedes Maniatis
Like I said: it would be very nice to have good mobile phone
integration. But I've got other areas to focus on right now.
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Aristedes Maniatis
ish
darkpollo
On Oct 14, 2:11 pm, Aristedes Maniatis <a...@ish.com.au> wrote:
> On 14/10/11 10:36 PM, darkpollo wrote:
>
> > Can i save a complete project template?
>
> No, just task templates. For my own use I create projects rarely. 12,000 tasks, but only about 30 projects.
>
one?
Can i save an existing task into a template or do i need to create it
again?
> > I didnt know that there is an android app about this, is there? Or you
> > are talking about other third apps to manage reminders?
> > The rss feed can be configured on the overview tab, any other thing
> > that i need to know about it?
>
> I'd like an android app. But no, I haven't written one. Unlikely to happen soon unless someone steps up to the task.
>
I have thinked a way to use notifications by email, i will make some
test (when i finish to config the email settings) and i will let you
know if that works.
Ángel
darkpollo
On Oct 14, 2:41 pm, Aristedes Maniatis <a...@ish.com.au> wrote:
> On Fri Oct 14 23:38:37 2011, darkpollo wrote:
>
> >
>
> > You can check how this is done on Toodledo:
>
> >http://www.toodledo.com/info/help_email.php
>
> > I am using that a lot and works fine.
>
> > Ángel
>
> > On Oct 14, 2:08 pm, Aristedes Maniatis<a...@ish.com.au> wrote:
> >> On 14/10/11 10:33 PM, darkpollo wrote:
>
> >>> And how can i do that? :D Send an email and thats it? Can i setup
> >>> priorities or other atributes by email?
> >>> I found the default project for emails, but no more info about this.
>
> >> Yes, it does not read meta-data from the email. I never found a good way to do that which would be easy to remember and use.
>
> >> Ari
>
>
> integration. But I've got other areas to focus on right now.
>
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data suggestions in case you want some help on that.
Thanks
Aristedes Maniatis
Ah yes. I've seen that before. But I think that it is too awkward to
use as a proper API. Customers will never get it. And I prefer my staff
use the web UI where we have validation rules and more.
Angel
It was just a suggestion.
I will keep trying to make the email work...:S
Hrvoje K
I'm a BlackBerry Developer, and our development team is using ClockingIT.
Great product!
My questions is in the line with the mobile app questions I saw in this thread.
We want to make a BlackBerry application that would connect to the ClockingIT infrastructure.
Our first/initial goal would be to create the following:
- Login screen
- choices to view Tasks, customers/clietns, and projects
- sort by user, customer and/or deadline
- create new customer, create new project and create new task screen(s).
- update tasks
- notification to the user of the deadline for certain tasks
From what I've found by reading documentation, there is NO API available calls to the back-end.
Would you be willing to work with our team (mostly with me, as I'm the one who came up with the idea and would guide the project),
to help us in writing these API calls, most preferably on the security parts (64bit encryption and so forth).
Couple of our team members are web-experienced developers, and few (myself included) are BlackBerry developers.
If all goes well, we would most likely develop an Android version as well.
Looking forward hearing from you,
With best regards,
Hrvoje
Aristedes Maniatis
> Hi Ari,
>
> I'm a BlackBerry Developer, and our development team is using ClockingIT.
> Great product!
>
> My questions is in the line with the mobile app questions I saw in this thread.
> We want to make a BlackBerry application that would connect to the ClockingIT infrastructure.
Terrific. My very first question to you would be: why do you want to write an app intead of a mobile optimised website? You may be blackberry developers, but given the steep decline in that platform, surely a broader audience would be all mobile users with a web browser.
> Our first/initial goal would be to create the following:
> - Login screen
> - choices to view Tasks, customers/clietns, and projects
> - sort by user, customer and/or deadline
> - create new customer, create new project and create new task screen(s).
> - update tasks
> - notification to the user of the deadline for certain tasks
>
> From what I've found by reading documentation, there is NO API available calls to the back-end.
Yes and no. Rails by its very nature defines restful APIs. But there isn't something specific other than what the html UI already requires. And no documentation.
>
> Would you be willing to work with our team (mostly with me, as I'm the one who came up with the idea and would guide the project),
> to help us in writing these API calls, most preferably on the security parts (64bit encryption and so forth).
Certainly. I believe the first step is to define the exact feature set of the mobile application/website. From there, we need to wireframe the processes and the API will be fairly self-evident from that. Once the API is formalised I'd be happy to put me and my resources toward creating it and thinking about security. That will be relatively simple in Rails.
> Couple of our team members are web-experienced developers, and few (myself included) are BlackBerry developers.
>
> If all goes well, we would most likely develop an Android version as well.
>
> Looking forward hearing from you,
I too look forward to working with you on this. I suggest step one is for you to get the dev branch of jobsworth running on your test environment so we can discuss the API in relation to the current release of the code.
Cheers
Ari
interfaSys sàrl
My 2 cents: I don't think BlackBerry is going anywhere, especially in
the corporate world, when dealing with sensitive information, but I also
think that it would be better to focus on HTML5 (WebWorks). It would
make it easier to quickly offer the app on multiple platforms. An HTML5
app would offer a better experience than a mobile version of JW, because
it can support native features, like gestures.
Cheers,
Olivier
Hrvoje K
My apology for not responding sooner, but I've been swamped with work since last week.
I will not be able to discuss more for about 10 days, but I have this project on my task list.
In fact - it is top priority on the non-client requests :-D
(well, this also tells that BB is not going anywhere, but I can elaborate more about it off-line.
Talk to you soon,
Hrvoje