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dib'struth

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Aug 18, 2009, 10:36:19 PM8/18/09
to Joan Webster Murder
During the course of examining the Joan Webster case, people sometimes
take offense at questions that are raised. There are differing
perspectives and that is understandable. Everyone has different
experiences that guide thinking. It takes the collection of that and
the collection of information that has been blocked for nearly 28
years to sort this out.

No one here was responsible for these crimes, the publicity
surrounding these cases, or who was delegated the responsibility for
truth and justice. Several here have suffered serious life altering
damage from these cases. There is no justification needed to
challenge what went on. There are people involved whose names appear
on sworn statements that are false. People have been identified who
were involved in obtaining a false informant's statement that impacted
two murder cases and the victims left behind. Everyone was put at
risk because documents support two murderers walked.

It's not reasonable for any victim to remain silent. People are
conditioned to trust certain individuals. Law enforcement and
prosecutors presumably would fall into that category. When you find
things that are wrong intentional or not, it needs to be corrected.

Everyone here has a legitimate concern to be asking the questions.
Joan Webster and Marie Iannuzzi have the right to be remembered
honestly and shown respect for lives unjustly lost. Scapegoats are
not acceptable for their loss.

The questions and challenges will certainly keep coming until truthful
answers are learned giving much needed peace to all involved and those
who cared enough to find out the truth.

dib'struth

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Aug 20, 2009, 10:48:56 AM8/20/09
to Joan Webster Murder
Yesterday would have been Joan's 53rd birthday. She had every right
to be here and surrounded by the people who loved her. Talk about
patience. Joan's murder has gone unresolved for nearly 28 years.

This site is to gather information and analyze. People have various
things to input. There are a great many other things that are going
on behind the scenes to gain an independent review of the case.
Proper authorities have been contacted and that is where the block
exists. Members of this group are sitting on a powder keg of
information relevant to a murder case and the state is not
interested. That's not acceptable. That means other avenues have to
be explored.

Names are on documents that are concerning. Unless someone can
facilitate opening the case, it serves no purpose to post everything
here where those who would like it covered up have an opportunity to
discredit or distort. Suggesting someone was used does not suggest
They were stupid. On the contrary, sharp people with good reputations
were part of this. That is why it is very perplexng names are on
documents they would certainly know were false.

There has been someone named who sent people to see Bond and resulted
in gaining that statement. I am not going to name him here.

angelina

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Aug 21, 2009, 10:39:54 AM8/21/09
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I agree,
 There have been many who question why are we doing this and assume we are trying to clear Lenny Paradiso's name.
 I personally know many players in this situation I know members of his family who have been here who felt guilty and horrible because they believed the press and DA, but when he died and papers were available a different story came out. No one  believes he was a school boy caught up in a scheme, he had issues but was not what they portrayed him to be either.
The facts remain
  •  Tammarro had a grudge and there is documentation to prove my statement.
  • Burke was obsessed and admitted it to a paper a few years ago.
  • The Websters never called on Joan to place a missing person report FOR 4DAYS
  •  When she was found her family refused to believe it was her and still told the press they believed Lenny did it .
  • Andrew WAS SOLD A BILL OF GOODS BY HIS SUPERIOR AND  BELIEVED IT , It  doesn't mean he was dumb, It means his boss was that good  and that happens all the time...
 
No one here has a vendetta against any of the people who were involved but only want the truth to come out, AND IF THEY ARE GUILTY OF SOMETHING THEN EXPOSE THEM AND LET THE CHIPS FLY,
 
JOAN WAS FOUND INLAND BURKE-WEBSTER-BOND THEORY  IS FALSE PERIOD
 
No one wants to believe anything bad about a family member whether its the accused, the cops, the DA, but at the time this happened we have  a history of corrupt cops, FBI agents,judges,some involved in this case some in other cases but they were there it is in papers and  many times over years later when most are dead is when the truth comes out.
 
Maybe that's why Burke wrote the bogus book no one will dispute one word, If he was not the one who  did all the work why doesn't the family of Andy call for justice?
Why did Carmen tell him don't worry . He is very smug but he is the reason for much of what went down.
 It will be fantastic to see his reaction when the truth comes to light  in the very near future
 
Members of Marie's own family believe David Doyle did kill her as do many people who knew them both and were told so by him.
 
People changed statements during the trial after speaking to the DA and Andrew
WHY ?
If Lenny was guilty of Joan's death why didn't Burke get and indictment?

dib'struth

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Aug 21, 2009, 11:34:39 AM8/21/09
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This group began its questions by asking for the "proof" that Paradiso
was guilty of this crime. Support it with the files. There has been
incredible interference to do that. Challenges are made to post
documents here. There have been no charges and there is no case.
There has been in depth research. Paradiso was denied documents and
witnesses couldn't be found in murder charges he faced. That is in
the record. John Kiernan was head of the Suffolk County DA homicide
division. He was exposed in 1991 for duplicate and secret files
calling into question convictions between 1980 and 1988. There was a
bad habit of fixing cases for a desired outcome. Burke himself states
there was no real evidence linking Paradiso to Joan Webster. So what
in hell is he doing making representations about an open case. How
convenient to have the state block access to files if they would
support it.

One thing in all of this is confusing. It would seem everyone accepts
the fact the Websters were stupid and able to be led by the nose.
Look at the number of agencies, man hours, and tax dollars used in
this case. I have never heard or read anything why they believe
Bond's statement. Maybe they really were stupid or able to be
deceived. I feel bad for them if that's the case, but don't you think
they would want to know things that have been learned? I don't think
other victims are compelled to roll over because they want to believe
this.

Burke has set everyone up by publishing things that are blatantly
false.

On Aug 21, 10:39 am, angelina <myzt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree,
>  There have been many who question why are we doing this and assume we are
> trying to clear Lenny Paradiso's name.
>  I personally know many players in this situation I know members of his
> family who have been here who felt guilty and horrible because they believed
> the press and DA, but when he died and papers were available a different
> story came out. No one  believes he was a school boy caught up in a scheme,
> he had issues but was not what they portrayed him to be either.
> The facts remain
>
>    -  Tammarro had a grudge and there is documentation to prove my
>    statement.
>    - Burke was obsessed and admitted it to a paper a few years ago.
>    - The Websters never called on Joan to place a missing person report FOR
>    4DAYS
>    -  When she was found her family refused to believe it was her and still
>    told the press they believed Lenny did it .
>    - Andrew WAS SOLD A BILL OF GOODS BY HIS SUPERIOR AND  BELIEVED IT
> > > who cared enough to find out the truth.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

eve

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Aug 24, 2009, 3:38:42 PM8/24/09
to Joan Webster Murder
I would like to add a little to this discussion. Beginning in 2006, I
personally made inquiries of the Essex County DA's office. The
response was always the same, that being sorry the case is open.

In 2007, after going through countless other resources to address a
problem, I again contacted the Essex County DA. I spoke with Trooper
Brian O'Neil without identifying myself or the case. I explained I
had discovered something very distressing. I told him the nature of
what I had found and was encouraged to bring forward relevant
information in examining an unresolved murder. O'Neil thought it was
related to a NH homicide. The call was followed up later to Linda
Quimby in the DA's office.

What i discovered and forwarded to the DA's office were written
allegations that a member of the Webster family had committed a
violent crime. I still have those documents. Once the DA's office
learned the case there was a complete disrespect for victims. The
DA's office would not return calls, would not answer their phones, and
did nothing to follow the information provided.

The Webster family went to extreme measures to cover this up. I've
taken the time to read up on things about the Joan Webster murder.
The murder trial for Ms. Iannuzzi was a complete frame and Joan
Webster's case was fabricated. Heads should roll.

Dib pointed out there is an informant's statement that contains the
correct manner of death. It was a little too correct to be made up.
There have been some other things learned about the men who got that
statement. Seems to me somebody knew what happened to her. That
might explain why the DA is not cooperating. This is being covered
up.
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dib'struth

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Aug 30, 2009, 1:36:06 AM8/30/09
to Joan Webster Murder
The book is being reviewed again to pull out the discrepencies in
Burke's assertions with the actual record for a contact. Each piece
will be attach the document that refutes it.

People with personal knowledge of people involved in the case have
indicated for some time that Carmen Tammaro had had a vendetta against
Paradiso. Obviously that is something difficult to establish and
would only be considered hearsay in a courtroom.

Burke does put some people together in his book. He places Carmen
Tammaro, Leonard Paradiso, and Patty Bono on a harbor cruise when they
were teenagers. He doesn't do it directly, but he relates the same
incident in two places when talking about first Patty, page 18, and
then Carmen, page 107. This was a high school cruise that ended up in
a near riot and Carmen Tammaro was arrested. This incident would have
a record.

Patty Bono was the friend of Tammaro's that made the anonymous call to
the Webster's in January 1982 and implicated Paradiso in Joan's
disappearance. She testified in the Iannuzzi pretrial and made
unverified allegations. There were no police, hospital, or doctor's
records, and no witnesses to support her assertions. She did not
testify at the trial, but that was really to the prosecution's
advantage. The unverified stories of multiple witnesses in the
pretrial were splashed all over the papers.

A vendetta would explain why Paradiso was the target. He also had
some convenient things to add; he had a record, a reputation, he could
be tied to the Iannuzzi case, and he had a boat. They stayed with the
boat theory despite conflicting documentation the boat was gone. That
explained no body and kept the investigation diverted. It does not
explain the description of Joan's death in the informant's statement
or why they needed a scapegoat for Joan. Carmen was the lead getting
Bond's statement.
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