Fwd: "Shlugging" Kapparot question

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Does anybody have any insight into this question?

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From: Rabbi Yehuda Spitz <ysp...@ohr.edu>
Date: Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 2:00 PM
Subject: Fwd: "Shlugging" Kapparot question
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Read below from bottom up.
Any help here about "shugging"?
Thanks
KT
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From: Sam Kahan <kaha...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Kapparot question
To: Rabbi Yehuda Spitz <ysp...@ohr.edu>


I would not be too upset about not realizing what "shluggen"implied. I too only recently focused on that myself.
I would be thrilled if you were to spread this question to others.  In my little survey it was interesting to note that many did not have any idea what I was talking about. Of course the deterioration of yiddish is a partial explanation.
I started wondering whether we are seeing a regional phenomenon. Maybe this expression was concentration among the Hungarian speaking groups. Maybe the Lithuwanians, Polish and Russian Jews this expression may not even occur. German, french and certainly north African Jew s probably did not use such an expression.
So please pass around the question and let's see what develops
On another track our Israeli brethren are already praying for rain. In many parts of the world, despite the reality, we will not do likewise until December.

I am certain that you are well aware of the reasoning behind this.
But I wonder how many people realize that this practice resulted largely because the רא"ש made a decision without adequately discussing such with the other rabbis. See תשובות רא"ש כלל ד סימן י.  
Best wishes
Sam Kahan

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020, 2:18 AM Rabbi Yehuda Spitz <ysp...@ohr.edu> wrote:
R Sam,
Thanks for writing and your warm wishes.
Of course I remember the expression "Shlugging Kapparos". However, I never actually paid it or its source too much attention. Perhaps your theory is indeed correct - especially as there are those who say "nefesh tachas nefesh" when they take the chicken.
I'm sorry I could not be more helpful.
If you would like I can forward your e-mail out to several colleagues who may have more of an inkling.
Kol Tuv and Gezunten Vinter,
Yehuda Spitz

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On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 3:07 PM Sam Kahan <kaha...@gmail.com> wrote:

First I trust all is well in your family and all those near and dear.
Also want to thank yuo for the halachic insights yuo provide;  always informative , interesting and gives, at least me me, the vast and varied field of Jewish minhagiim.  A bit of אחדות .  

Have a question which may be a little late or a bit early.

As often happens,  my mind travels way off the beaten path.  Just  before Yom Kippur, I had a thought with regard to Kapparot.  

In my family the process was called  שלאגן כפרות,  translated as beating, hitting,  Kapparopt.
So the question arose:  What hitting?  What beating?   

What  when yuo were growing up was the expression used in your family to describe the process of Kapparot?    Don't be surprised if yuo cannot remember.  I was surprised that many did not have or recall any.  Admittedly the number of those using old yiddish or European expressions has dwindled.  It may also be a regional thing.  That is interesting in its own right.

My theory.  At some point the process of kapparot, a very old one, transformed into the chicken representing all the sins of the person,  something like the קרבן חטאת  description that  we as youngsters learned.  As hintted in the שערי ציון  that the chicken was given  symbolically the  4 types of capital punishment.  That behaviour may have changed over time but the name stayed.  

Whether true or not requires more research on my part.  

Regardless I am examining what was the expression used as part of this.

Any insight yuo can provide is greatly appreciated.

You can write or call if yuo so wish.

looking forward to get your comments,

as always stay safe, stay healthy and stay resilient.  

Sam  


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