Separation of men and women

[Rivkah433]

Hello All,

My husband and I take part in hosting a home Shabbat group and we are
all moving in different directions. We range a wide spectrum from
total rejection of Oral Torah and sometimes discounting Scripture
outside of Gen-Deut to persuing an Orthodox expression of Judaism
including the Oral Torah (me). One objection in the group was that if
we were "Orthodox" then the women would no longer be able to
contribute in Reading Torah and discussion. What would you all say to
that? The accusation is that we couldn't legitimately be Orthodox
because of this reason. I look forward to reading any insights you all
might have.

Thank you,
Rivkah

[Ahava Diaz]

Dear Brothers:
My name is Liliana Miryam, please ask you, your prayers daily for me for liberation and family, my mother Maria, my newphew Josue (10 years) for liberation of paralytic and dumb, to straighten his back and to grow as boy of 10 years, because he's like a 2 years little boy , my father Felix , when I pray for him, there is opposition of demons in thoughts and voices. please pray for the 3 to be heal and protect by  The Lord Yahshua. My newphew was attacked since he was a baby.
 
Please I ask you to pray for  my brother felix and 2 sisters rossana and family and nataly and family , because we have spiritual attacks for 10  years, please pray for me The Lord Yahshua cure us all, and take away the bad day from us. and give us more faith, Yahshua bless you and make his face shine over you.
Shalom,
Liliana Miryam Curiñaupa Rojas
Lima Peru

Yahshua defends us from the mafia of witches that persecute me and my family with all kind of  sorcery , they attack for more than 10 years. they attack with perversity of sodom, murder, crazy, and all kind of perversity,with aggressions, mental control, demons speak day and night to me, they don't let me rest,  oppositions in all fields oppossing for my healing and the healing of my family and blessings. they don't let's rest my family either.

L. Miryam C.R.
They attack churches, my neigborhood, they don't let my family to go to church, they don't let us to read the bible, pray and praise, they pursue me and to my family too, they want to continue with it. 

L. Miryam C.R.


 
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[Israel]

From an orthodox perspective, to read from the Torah scroll on Shabbat is not allowed to women, nor is it permissible for women to be seen or heard during prayer so the men can have focus during prayer (men get easily distracted by beautiful women or voices, goes the reasoning, based on the fact that Miriam banged on a tambourine so the men couldn't hear their singing as all Israel rejoiced at the Sea), however, they are of course permitted to speak in a Torah class, such as your home study, and ask questions of the rabbi and of their husbands, and other teachers. The belief is that women are already closer to G-d and it's the men that have to play catch up daily, which is why men are responsible for time-dependent commands in Torah and women aren't.

But your group is a home group, a Torah class if you will, not an intended congregation setup to take the place of the weekly Torah service and Temple service. If it is, if you desire to make your home group equivalent to the Temple service, then it would be incumbent upon the entire group to respect the service as if they themselves were in the Temple performing the service (where women above were separated from the men below).

If the majority of the group is not willing, it's better to have the group remain a study group for now so that there is a greater level of freedom for all to participate more so than if it were treated as a synagogue service.

Shalom,

Israel

[Nathanael Morris]

Liliana,
 
I am very sorry to hear that you have been going through such hardships both you and your family I am really touched by what you shared in your letter so I will definately pray for you. I have also taken the liberty of asking an Orthodox Rabbi in Jerusalem to pray on your behalf too I think all options should be used to communicate with God about this as it is very serious. The Rabbi knows of your troubles and those of your family and will pray every day for you and your family and your nephew for healing, protection and healing of the pain that you have experienced. I will also do the same for you too so you will have people around the world praying for your protection and healing for yourself and your family. I will ask my friends to pray for you as well and I will keep you updated on how many people are praying. If there is anything else that you need prayer support for just let me know.
 
God bless
 
Nathanael
 

 

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Subject: [JC] please pray for me and my family for liberation daily, thanks
Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 19:46:43 +0000