Migrate chat channels from freenode to libera.chat

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Tim Jacomb

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May 26, 2021, 6:56:56 AMMay 26
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Hi all,

I would like to propose moving the following channels that currently live on freenode to libera.chat:
  • #jenkins
  • #jenkins-hosting
  • #jenkins-infra
  • #jenkins-release
There's been some very user / FOSS hostile behaviour from the owner of freenode, latest example can be seen in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27286628.

Implementation is:
  • Update jenkins.io
  • Let people currently in the channel know
  • Update ircbot to connect to new server and create new credentials
There's been other conversations about moving the community to places like discourse and replacing the ircbot with Jira webhooks, but I don't believe that this is the right thread for those.

ircbot does more than just hosting, it manages github permissions and Jira components as well.
Any changes to ircbot require or Jira webhook integration requires interested contributors to build solutions.

Thanks
Tim

Olblak

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May 26, 2021, 7:27:36 AMMay 26
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Hi Tim,

Thanks for bootstrapping this, I definitely support moving from Freenode to Libera.chat.
I have a limited bandwidth capacity at the moment but I'll try to help as soon as I can.
I think it's better to first move away from Freenode and then start a discussion about the default communication channel we want to use.
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Oleg Nenashev

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May 26, 2021, 7:28:26 AMMay 26
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Hi all,

I definitely support such a move. For the record we've had a discussion about the migration among the Jenkins governance board and infra/security members. I believe we have a consensus that we want to move, effective as soon as possible. I also support moving all the listed channels. We have other channels, but all of them are rather dead or redundant.

Notes about channels:
  • I would like to keep #jenkins equivalent, but not as a declared default channel. We could create #jenkins-users and #jenkins-dev similar to the mailing lists. Discourse would be indeed preferable for many subjects, and the IRC channels might become redundant (see the parallel thread)
  • Private CERT chat is not a problem, we can just discontinue it in favor of mailing lists
  • #jenkins-release and #jenkins-infra can be moved to Libera chat or any other chat like Gitter or CDF Slack. I have a preference to keep them on the same platform with conversation history by default
  • #jenkins-hosting can be moved anywhere or just replaced by some form of GitHub/Jira integration bot
  • #jenkins-meeting and #jenkins-hackhouse can be deleted. For meetings, if needed, we can create #jenkins-governance later
Best regards,
Oleg Nenashev



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Oleg Nenashev

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May 26, 2021, 9:58:32 AMMay 26
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Thanks to Alex Earl for the IRCBot migration! https://github.com/jenkins-infra/ircbot/pull/100

I think we should not wait until the next Governance meeting if there is a strong consensus in the mailing list. This is a time sensitive topic, and we need to migrate away as soon as possible IMHO

Damien Duportal

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May 26, 2021, 10:57:04 AMMay 26
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Thanks y'all for stepping so fast on this topic!

Seems a good idea to quickly move on Libera, and delay the "default community channel" to later, with a proper community discussion.

If anything is required on the infra's side, I can take over while Olivier is not available, and handover back afterwards.

Damien

Basil Crow

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May 26, 2021, 10:57:22 AMMay 26
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+1. I opened a PR to cover updating the references on jenkins.io:
https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/4384

FYI see the project registration instructions here:
https://libera.chat/chanreg#project-registration

Oleg Nenashev

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May 26, 2021, 11:01:06 AMMay 26
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FYI see the project registration instructions here:
AFAICT from the Governance Board discussion, Gavin and Olivier have already submitted a registration request.
It just takes time to process



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Gavin Mogan

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May 26, 2021, 2:12:52 PMMay 26
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Project registration has been completed since Saturday I think. 

I've removed the channel locks so anyone can create can register channels, project owners can claim the channel if it ever becomes an issue.

Cloaks can be requested by any group member.

Jenkins group members:
Primary (can claim. Can manage group member lists)
halkeye (me)
Olblak

Secondary (primary plus requesting cloaks for users)
Nobody yet


Cloaks:
We have jenkins/* reserved
I'm thinking jenkins/contributor/$nick for most people, then maybe board specific if we care.

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Tim Jacomb

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May 26, 2021, 3:15:11 PMMay 26
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The ircbot has been moved over

Tim Jacomb

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May 28, 2021, 4:00:45 AMMay 28
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Thanks all

Last call for any feedback before we merge the Jenkins.io PR

The channels have all been set up.

If you had 'voice' on freenode and want it on Libera then please verify yourself with someone who has voice/op on libera out of band (email / gitter / github, etc).
A number of people have left freenode and deleted their accounts already.



Oleg Nenashev

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May 28, 2021, 5:24:54 PMMay 28
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+1 for going ahead and making the changes official
Maybe we need a short announcement blog, WDYT?

Mark Waite

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May 28, 2021, 5:29:16 PMMay 28
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Oleg Nenashev

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Jun 11, 2021, 4:22:30 AMJun 11
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Hi all,

As many other colleagues, I was banned from Freenode this night without any prior notice. I think it's time to officially proclaim Freenode IRC dead for the Jenkins community, and to make an announcement about our migration to Libera Chat. Any objections? I can make this announcement if others are busy.

Thanks to Gavin, Tim, Olivier and all contributors for driving the migration of our IRC channels and automation.

Best regards,
Oleg

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Baptiste Mathus

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Jun 13, 2021, 4:53:40 PMJun 13
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Agreed, time to move on. 

BTW I see https://www.jenkins.io/chat/ is already updated, what do you have in mind in terms of comm? Like a blog and some twitter relaying I suppose?

Olblak

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Jun 14, 2021, 9:35:06 AMJun 14
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Imho the blogpost is the most important if someone is available to write something :)
Not everybody monitors jenkins-infra/jenkins.io pull requests :p

Oleg Nenashev

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Jun 15, 2021, 2:38:49 AMJun 15
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Blogpost or maybe just a Discourse announcement. We can try the latter to optimize time spent on writing.

For socual media purposes, discourse is perfectly fine with me

Oleg Nenashev

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Jun 17, 2021, 12:58:37 AMJun 17
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IRC migration announcement is ready for review: https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/4425 
Thanks to Mark for starting the blog and to Daniel for the feedback.

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