The community did not fork (was: Rename Vote Results)
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Francois Cottet
Jan 31, 2011, 1:11:02 AM1/31/11
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Hi Susan,
I find this message particularly incorrect, in many ways.
On this list, I made some points in past which showed that I was not a strong advocate of renaming. However this past days Oracle turned really bad.
Let's be clear, Jenkins is not a fork from Hudson. The community had to vote and decided to rename Hudson in Jenkins. It's a common decision, not KK or anyone in particular. And if Oracle wants to fork to a new Hudson they have the right to do it.
On the homepage of http://www.hudson-ci.org/ we can read this, signed by Winston, dated from January 30, 2011:
"Many of you may be aware that Andrew Bayer and Cloudbees (where Kohsuke
Kawaguchi now works) have confirmed their intent to fork Hudson into a
new community."
This is so wrong, I can't believe you guys, had to behave this way. I'd no particular feelings towards Oracle but this will be an eye-opener for the few, like me, who asked for proof before taking position.
Farewell,
Francois
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Susan Duncan - Oracle <mysue...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Chinna and Lynn
As you requested I've started a new thread on the User list to address
your concerns
http://groups.google.com/group/hudson-users/browse_thread/thread/e5732d1a6f6c03d5
In essence, even after the fork, your current Hudson installations
will not be
affected. The Hudson project will continue to be developed and
supported after the fork. Your current installation will run fine,
and you won't need to change any code. How the fork will effect you
moving forward is you can now go to either hudson-ci.org or jenkins-
ci.org to get your distribution and plugins. It is unclear as to how
these two distributions will differ in the short-term, but that is
something that you can follow.
After KK, Andrew and co. rename the mailing lists and github
repository to Jenkins, Hudson will start using the java.net mailing
lists (which are still in place from November), and we have a mirror
of the github repository (in git) on the hudson.java.net that will
become the primary after the Jenkins fork. We can look into moving
this back to github after we re-create the Hudson project if that
makes it easier on people. Please let me know if you have any other
questions or concerns.
Susan
Henrik Lynggaard
Jan 31, 2011, 2:02:52 AM1/31/11
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Hi
I think you are wrong...
It was KK,andrew, etc who proposed we move away from Hudson, and in
effect creating a new strain (spelling?) or branch of development. It
might well be that this new fork won over the majority of the
community, but as long as the entire community did not move (and the
fact that Hudson still exists) makes it a fork not a rename.
On 31 Jan., 07:11, Francois Cottet <fct.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> I find this message particularly incorrect, in many ways.
>
> On this list, I made some points in past which showed that I was not a
> strong advocate of renaming. However this past days Oracle turned really
> bad.
>
> Let's be clear, Jenkins is not a fork from Hudson. The community had to vote
> and decided to rename Hudson in Jenkins. It's a common decision, not KK or
> anyone in particular. And if Oracle wants to fork to a new Hudson they have
> the right to do it.
>
> On the homepage ofhttp://www.hudson-ci.org/we can read this, signed by
I think you are wrong...
It was KK,andrew, etc who proposed we move away from Hudson, and in
effect creating a new strain (spelling?) or branch of development. It
might well be that this new fork won over the majority of the
community, but as long as the entire community did not move (and the
fact that Hudson still exists) makes it a fork not a rename.
On 31 Jan., 07:11, Francois Cottet <fct.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> I find this message particularly incorrect, in many ways.
>
> On this list, I made some points in past which showed that I was not a
> strong advocate of renaming. However this past days Oracle turned really
> bad.
>
> Let's be clear, Jenkins is not a fork from Hudson. The community had to vote
> and decided to rename Hudson in Jenkins. It's a common decision, not KK or
> anyone in particular. And if Oracle wants to fork to a new Hudson they have
> the right to do it.
>
> Winston, dated from January 30, 2011:
> "Many of you may be aware that Andrew Bayer and Cloudbees (where Kohsuke
> Kawaguchi now works) have confirmed their intent to fork Hudson into a new
> community."
>
> This is so wrong, I can't believe you guys, had to behave this way. I'd no
> particular feelings towards Oracle but this will be an eye-opener for the
> few, like me, who asked for proof before taking position.
>
> Farewell,
> Francois
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Susan Duncan - Oracle <
>
> "Many of you may be aware that Andrew Bayer and Cloudbees (where Kohsuke
> Kawaguchi now works) have confirmed their intent to fork Hudson into a new
> community."
>
> This is so wrong, I can't believe you guys, had to behave this way. I'd no
> particular feelings towards Oracle but this will be an eye-opener for the
> few, like me, who asked for proof before taking position.
>
> Farewell,
> Francois
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Susan Duncan - Oracle <
>
> mysuedun...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Chinna and Lynn
>
> > As you requested I've started a new thread on the User list to address
> > your concerns
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/hudson-users/browse_thread/thread/e573...
> > Hi Chinna and Lynn
>
> > As you requested I've started a new thread on the User list to address
> > your concerns
>
Richard Bywater
Jan 31, 2011, 2:26:29 AM1/31/11
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And so it begins...
I was hopeful that maybe both camps could play nicely (so each party
gains something from the other) but it seems that we are going to have
two competing products out there in the market just to add to
confusion to those new to Hudson/Jenkins :(
Richard.
Jerome Lacoste
Jan 31, 2011, 4:11:12 AM1/31/11
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It will take time for things to settle.
But soon people will shut up, and code will talk. :)
J
Henrik Lynggaard
Jan 31, 2011, 9:05:42 AM1/31/11
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Hi
Which is exactly why I wrote the post "Why I don't believe in forking
now " which included asking primarily the jenkins supporters how the
corporation would be. Sadly I got very little response.
I have since urged Oracle to answer the same questions, but nothing
yet.
Personally I want to remain fork neutral and make stuff that works in
both places, but right now I am in "holding pattern" awaiting how the
infrastructure parts will play out
best regards
Henrik
On Jan 31, 8:26 am, Richard Bywater <rbywa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And so it begins...
>
> I was hopeful that maybe both camps could play nicely (so each party
> gains something from the other) but it seems that we are going to have
> two competing products out there in the market just to add to
> confusion to those new to Hudson/Jenkins :(
>
> Richard.
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Henrik Lynggaard
>
Which is exactly why I wrote the post "Why I don't believe in forking
now " which included asking primarily the jenkins supporters how the
corporation would be. Sadly I got very little response.
I have since urged Oracle to answer the same questions, but nothing
yet.
Personally I want to remain fork neutral and make stuff that works in
both places, but right now I am in "holding pattern" awaiting how the
infrastructure parts will play out
best regards
Henrik
On Jan 31, 8:26 am, Richard Bywater <rbywa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And so it begins...
>
> I was hopeful that maybe both camps could play nicely (so each party
> gains something from the other) but it seems that we are going to have
> two competing products out there in the market just to add to
> confusion to those new to Hudson/Jenkins :(
>
> Richard.
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Henrik Lynggaard
>
> <henrik.lyngga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi
>
> > I think you are wrong...
>
> > It was KK,andrew, etc who proposed we move away from Hudson, and in
> > effect creating a new strain (spelling?) or branch of development. It
> > might well be that this new fork won over the majority of the
> > community, but as long as the entire community did not move (and the
> > fact that Hudson still exists) makes it a fork not a rename.
>
> > On 31 Jan., 07:11, Francois Cottet <fct.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Susan,
>
> >> I find this message particularly incorrect, in many ways.
>
> >> On this list, I made some points in past which showed that I was not a
> >> strong advocate of renaming. However this past days Oracle turned really
> >> bad.
>
> >> Let's be clear, Jenkins is not a fork from Hudson. The community had to vote
> >> and decided to rename Hudson in Jenkins. It's a common decision, not KK or
> >> anyone in particular. And if Oracle wants to fork to a new Hudson they have
> >> the right to do it.
>
> >> On the homepage ofhttp://www.hudson-ci.org/wecan read this, signed by
> > Hi
>
> > I think you are wrong...
>
> > It was KK,andrew, etc who proposed we move away from Hudson, and in
> > effect creating a new strain (spelling?) or branch of development. It
> > might well be that this new fork won over the majority of the
> > community, but as long as the entire community did not move (and the
> > fact that Hudson still exists) makes it a fork not a rename.
>
> > On 31 Jan., 07:11, Francois Cottet <fct.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Susan,
>
> >> I find this message particularly incorrect, in many ways.
>
> >> On this list, I made some points in past which showed that I was not a
> >> strong advocate of renaming. However this past days Oracle turned really
> >> bad.
>
> >> Let's be clear, Jenkins is not a fork from Hudson. The community had to vote
> >> and decided to rename Hudson in Jenkins. It's a common decision, not KK or
> >> anyone in particular. And if Oracle wants to fork to a new Hudson they have
> >> the right to do it.
>
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