I had a few things to say:-
1. The thing which you wrote about Gyat, Agyat
I agree with it and that is really good dhyanakarshan. Really nice. Abhi ki
sthiti mein hamein yah to dikhta hai ki kis cheez mein sukh nahin hai, parantu
kis cheez mein sukh hai iska bas Anuman hai, aur wo Anuman baseless nahin
hai.
2. Reference points in Adhyayan. You said we need to keep in mind
two reference points. I agree to that and in addition I think we also need to
keep the reference point from where we started. It gave the assurance that
Samadhan has made my sthiti better than before and also the Assurance that I can
understand further. Difference between the starting point till now gives me
Utsav and Difference between this state and final state gives me Utsav.
3. I do NOT agree to the statement that "Pramanit vyakti ke Anubhav ke
prakash mein Vidyarthi Adhyayan karta hai". Adhyayan to Vidyarthi apne hi
Anubhav ki raushani mein karta hai, par haan Pramanit vyakti se Prerna,
Dhyanakarshan, Margadarshan param avashyak hai. Anubhav ki raushani meri,
prerana tatha dhyanakarshan pramanit vyakti ki. As you say it is the process of
directed imagination and Pramanit vyakti can give our imagination that
direction. BUT Anubhav karne wala to mein hi hoon.
When we say "Pramanit
vyakti ke Anubhav ki raushani mein" then it gives me the concept of Traditional
Bhakti concept.
Dear Devansh,
How would I have my "anubhav kee roshnee" when I don't
have anubhav yet? Are you saying that we have anubhav before anubhav? At least
that's not what comes out in my dialogues with Baba - transcripted above.
prerna (inspiration) is by evidences (pramaan) of Self-realization. This
itself is called "anubhav kee roshnee".
vidyaarthee anubhav kee apeksha
mein adhyayan karta hai. pramaanit vyakti apne anubhav kee roshnee mein adhyayan
karvata hai. Please also see -
http://madhyasth-darshan.blogspot.com/2008/09/blog-post_29.html
Am I
missing something?
Regards,
Rakesh...
I will attempt explaining this point again... It is not belittling student,
and glorifying guru. It is a matter of seeing the process of adhyayan as it
is.
जागृति के लिए पुरुषार्थ ( पुरुषार्थ = जागृति के लिए हम जो भी प्रयास
करते हैं। )
जागृति के बाद परमार्थ (परमार्थ = जीने में प्रमाण प्रस्तुत करना।
)
adhyayan is union of purusharth and paramarth - which leads to
mutual-fulfillment in the relationship of (jigyasu) disciple and (pramaanit)
guru.
Jeevit jagrut-vyakti hee anubhav ka pramaan hota hai. Pramano kee
roshnee (or anubhav kee roshnee) mein hee adhyayan hota hai.
Much has
been written in ancient-scriptures and idealists about "looking within" for
answers. Antar-aatma kee aavaj sunne kee baat kahee gayee hai. lekin vah
pramaanit nahin huee. Adhyayan is not the process of "looking within" - the
phrase itself doesn't make sense. There is no demarcation line of within and
without. Jeevan is the entity that sees. Existence is what is to be seen.
Adhyayan is the process of recognizing realities in existence in the guidance
(anubhav kee roshnee) by the seeker student (anubhav kee apeksha).
Mulyankan is one important aspect of adhyayan. A student does his own
mulyankan (assessment) of his progress. The teacher also does mulyankan of the
student. Match between the two gives inputs for further effort to student in
adhyayan.
regards,
Rakesh...
Are we with the assumption that -"aatma mein sabhee gyaan samaaya hai, jiske
prakat hone mein adchan
hai"?
http://madhyasth-darshan.blogspot.com/2008/04/blog-post_17.html