How to access deployment-descriptor.xml from outside the kjar

[swapnil irabatti]

I have some email configuration parameters which I have configured in kjar/META-INF/deployment-descriptor.xml, according to development standards all the configurations parameters should be outside the jar.

I have gone through the documentation and I found the following statement as below (https://docs.jboss.org/jbpm/v6.1/userguide/jBPMRuntimeManagement.html)

Default deployment descriptor can be altered by specifying valid URL location to an xml file that will provide fully defined deployment descriptor. By fully defined we mean that all elements should be specified as this deployment descriptor will become server level deployment descriptor.

-Dorg.kie.deployment.desc.location=file:/my/custom/location/deployment-descriptor.xml

I am just wondering where can I get the default deployment-descriptor.xml file so that I will merge all my custom configurations with the default and extra configuration and put it on my own location and I use the -Dorg.kie.deployment.desc.location while starting the server.

Thanks in advance.

[Maciej Swiderski]

there is no default descriptor - but you can create one and make it default so all your projects will have its configuration automatically applied.

so just create deployment-descriptor.xml and add your config in there. then place it wherever you like and point it via org.kie.deployment.desc.location system property.

Maciej

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[swapnil irabatti]

Cool,

Thanks for the info Maciej.

[Maciej Swiderski]

looks like your deployment descriptor is not valid according to xml schema:

https://github.com/kiegroup/jbpm/blob/master/jbpm-runtime-manager/src/main/resources/deployment-descriptor.xsd

Maciej

On 17 Oct 2017, at 13:56, swapnil irabatti <swapnilir...@gmail.com> wrote:

I tried to put the deployment-descriptor.xml file outside the jar and execute the command then I am getting the below error:

Caused by: javax.xml.bind.UnmarshalException

 - with linked exception:

[org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; lineNumber: 17; columnNumber: 25; cvc-complex-type.2.4.d: Invalid content was found starting with element 'work-item-handlers'. No child element is expected at this point.]

        at javax.xml.bind.helpers.AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.createUnmarshalException(AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.java:314)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.UnmarshallerImpl.createUnmarshalException(UnmarshallerImpl.java:578)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.UnmarshallerImpl.unmarshal0(UnmarshallerImpl.java:264)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.UnmarshallerImpl.unmarshal(UnmarshallerImpl.java:229)

        at javax.xml.bind.helpers.AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.unmarshal(AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.java:136)

        at javax.xml.bind.helpers.AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.unmarshal(AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.java:183)

        at org.jbpm.runtime.manager.impl.deploy.DeploymentDescriptorIO.fromXml(DeploymentDescriptorIO.java:55)

        ... 78 more

Caused by: org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; lineNumber: 17; columnNumber: 25; cvc-complex-type.2.4.d: Invalid content was found starting with element 'work-item-handlers'. No child element is expected at this point.

        at org.apache.xerces.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.createSAXParseException(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:201)

        at org.apache.xerces.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.error(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:132)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(XMLErrorReporter.java:394)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(XMLErrorReporter.java:325)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(XMLErrorReporter.java:282)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.XMLSchemaValidator$XSIErrorReporter.reportError(XMLSchemaValidator.java:481)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.XMLSchemaValidator.reportSchemaError(XMLSchemaValidator.java:3571)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.XMLSchemaValidator.handleStartElement(XMLSchemaValidator.java:1999)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.XMLSchemaValidator.startElement(XMLSchemaValidator.java:788)

        at org.apache.xerces.jaxp.validation.ValidatorHandlerImpl.startElement(ValidatorHandlerImpl.java:589)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.ValidatingUnmarshaller.startElement(ValidatingUnmarshaller.java:101)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.SAXConnector.startElement(SAXConnector.java:168)

        at org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.startElement(AbstractSAXParser.java:498)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLNSDocumentScannerImpl.scanStartElement(XMLNSDocumentScannerImpl.java:283)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDispatcher.dispatch(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:1653)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:324)

        at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:875)

        at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:798)

        at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XMLParser.parse(XMLParser.java:108)

        at org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1198)

        at org.apache.xerces.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:564)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.UnmarshallerImpl.unmarshal0(UnmarshallerImpl.java:258)

        ... 82 more

17:20:40,148 WARN  [org.kie.server.services.jbpm.ui.JBPMUIKieServerExtension] (EJB default - 1) Unable to create image reference for container dummyContainer due to null

17:20:40,249 INFO  [org.kie.server.services.impl.KieServerImpl] (EJB default - 1) Container dummyContainer (for release id org.mastertheboss.kieserver:hello-kie-server:1.0) successfully started

17:20:40,557 INFO  [org.wildfly.extension.undertow] (ServerService Thread Pool -- 69) WFLYUT0021: Registered web context: /kie-server

17:20:40,657 INFO  [org.jboss.as.server] (ServerService Thread Pool -- 37) WFLYSRV0010: Deployed "kie-server.war" (runtime-name : "kie-server.war")

17:20:40,818 INFO  [org.jboss.as] (Controller Boot Thread) WFLYSRV0060: Http management interface listening on http://192.168.40.60:9991/management

17:20:40,818 INFO  [org.jboss.as] (Controller Boot Thread) WFLYSRV0051: Admin console listening on http://192.168.40.60:9991

17:20:40,819 INFO  [org.jboss.as] (Controller Boot Thread) WFLYSRV0025: WildFly Full 10.1.0.Final (WildFly Core 2.2.0.Final) started in 16191ms - Started 588 of 823 services (423 services are lazy, passive or on-demand)

17:20:42,469 INFO  [org.drools.compiler.kie.builder.impl.KieRepositoryImpl] (EJB default - 1) KieModule was added: ZipKieModule[releaseId=org.rulesengine:redpine-signals:0.0.3-SNAPSHOT,file=C:\Users\swapnil\.m2\repository\org\rulesengine\redpine-signals\0.0.3-SNAPSHOT\redpine-signals-0.0.3-SNAPSHOT.jar]

17:20:43,653 WARN  [org.kie.server.services.drools.DroolsKieServerExtension] (EJB default - 1) Unable to create instance of type com.redpinesignals.am.domain.ShortestPathResponse due to com.redpinesignals.am.domain.ShortestPathResponse

17:20:43,654 WARN  [org.kie.server.services.drools.DroolsKieServerExtension] (EJB default - 1) Unable to create instance of type com.redpinesignals.am.domain.PathwayAsset due to com.redpinesignals.am.domain.PathwayAsset

17:20:43,654 WARN  [org.kie.server.services.drools.DroolsKieServerExtension] (EJB default - 1) Unable to create instance of type com.redpinesignals.am.domain.testclass due to com.redpinesignals.am.domain.testclass

17:20:43,655 WARN  [org.kie.server.services.drools.DroolsKieServerExtension] (EJB default - 1) Unable to create instance of type com.redpinesignals.am.domain.UserCurLocationResponse due to com.redpinesignals.am.domain.UserCurLocationResponse

17:20:43,657 ERROR [org.kie.server.services.jbpm.JbpmKieServerExtension] (EJB default - 1) Error when creating container testContainer by extension jBPM KIE Server extension: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to read deployment descriptor from xml

        at org.jbpm.runtime.manager.impl.deploy.DeploymentDescriptorIO.fromXml(DeploymentDescriptorIO.java:59)

        at org.jbpm.runtime.manager.impl.deploy.DeploymentDescriptorManager.getDefaultDescriptor(DeploymentDescriptorManager.java:57)

        at org.jbpm.runtime.manager.impl.deploy.DeploymentDescriptorManager.getDeploymentDescriptorHierarchy(DeploymentDescriptorManager.java:76)

        at org.kie.server.services.jbpm.JbpmKieServerExtension.getDeploymentDescriptor(JbpmKieServerExtension.java:647)

        at org.kie.server.services.jbpm.JbpmKieServerExtension.addAsyncHandler(JbpmKieServerExtension.java:602)

        at org.kie.server.services.jbpm.JbpmKieServerExtension.createContainer(JbpmKieServerExtension.java:375)

        at org.kie.server.services.impl.KieServerImpl.createContainer(KieServerImpl.java:279)

        at org.kie.server.services.impl.ContainerManager.installContainersSync(ContainerManager.java:43)

        at org.kie.server.services.impl.ContainerManager.installContainers(ContainerManager.java:33)

        at org.kie.server.jms.ContainerManagerEJB.installContainers(ContainerManagerEJB.java:38)

        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)

        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:62)

        at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)

        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:498)

        at org.jboss.as.ee.component.ManagedReferenceMethodInterceptor.processInvocation(ManagedReferenceMethodInterceptor.java:52)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext$Invocation.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:437)

        at org.jboss.as.weld.ejb.Jsr299BindingsInterceptor.doMethodInterception(Jsr299BindingsInterceptor.java:82)

        at org.jboss.as.weld.ejb.Jsr299BindingsInterceptor.processInvocation(Jsr299BindingsInterceptor.java:93)

        at org.jboss.as.ee.component.interceptors.UserInterceptorFactory$1.processInvocation(UserInterceptorFactory.java:63)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.component.invocationmetrics.ExecutionTimeInterceptor.processInvocation(ExecutionTimeInterceptor.java:43)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.tx.EjbBMTInterceptor.handleInvocation(EjbBMTInterceptor.java:103)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.tx.BMTInterceptor.processInvocation(BMTInterceptor.java:58)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext$Invocation.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:437)

        at org.jboss.weld.ejb.AbstractEJBRequestScopeActivationInterceptor.aroundInvoke(AbstractEJBRequestScopeActivationInterceptor.java:73)

        at org.jboss.as.weld.ejb.EjbRequestScopeActivationInterceptor.processInvocation(EjbRequestScopeActivationInterceptor.java:83)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ee.concurrent.ConcurrentContextInterceptor.processInvocation(ConcurrentContextInterceptor.java:45)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InitialInterceptor.processInvocation(InitialInterceptor.java:21)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.invocation.ChainedInterceptor.processInvocation(ChainedInterceptor.java:61)

        at org.jboss.as.ee.component.interceptors.ComponentDispatcherInterceptor.processInvocation(ComponentDispatcherInterceptor.java:52)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.component.singleton.SingletonComponentInstanceAssociationInterceptor.processInvocation(SingletonComponentInstanceAssociationInterceptor.java:53)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.component.interceptors.CurrentInvocationContextInterceptor.processInvocation(CurrentInvocationContextInterceptor.java:41)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.component.invocationmetrics.WaitTimeInterceptor.processInvocation(WaitTimeInterceptor.java:47)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.security.SecurityContextInterceptor.processInvocation(SecurityContextInterceptor.java:100)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.deployment.processors.StartupAwaitInterceptor.processInvocation(StartupAwaitInterceptor.java:22)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext$Invocation.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:437)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.concurrency.ContainerManagedConcurrencyInterceptor.processInvocation(ContainerManagedConcurrencyInterceptor.java:110)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.component.interceptors.ShutDownInterceptorFactory$1.processInvocation(ShutDownInterceptorFactory.java:64)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.component.interceptors.LoggingInterceptor.processInvocation(LoggingInterceptor.java:67)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ee.component.NamespaceContextInterceptor.processInvocation(NamespaceContextInterceptor.java:50)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.component.interceptors.AdditionalSetupInterceptor.processInvocation(AdditionalSetupInterceptor.java:54)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.invocation.ContextClassLoaderInterceptor.processInvocation(ContextClassLoaderInterceptor.java:64)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.run(InterceptorContext.java:356)

        at org.wildfly.security.manager.WildFlySecurityManager.doChecked(WildFlySecurityManager.java:636)

        at org.jboss.invocation.AccessCheckingInterceptor.processInvocation(AccessCheckingInterceptor.java:61)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.run(InterceptorContext.java:356)

        at org.jboss.invocation.PrivilegedWithCombinerInterceptor.processInvocation(PrivilegedWithCombinerInterceptor.java:80)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.invocation.ChainedInterceptor.processInvocation(ChainedInterceptor.java:61)

        at org.jboss.as.ee.component.ViewService$View.invoke(ViewService.java:198)

        at org.jboss.as.ee.component.ViewDescription$1.processInvocation(ViewDescription.java:185)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.component.interceptors.LogDiagnosticContextRecoveryInterceptor.processInvocation(LogDiagnosticContextRecoveryInterceptor.java:82)

        at org.jboss.invocation.InterceptorContext.proceed(InterceptorContext.java:340)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.component.interceptors.AsyncFutureInterceptorFactory$1$2.runInvocation(AsyncFutureInterceptorFactory.java:104)

        at org.jboss.as.ejb3.component.interceptors.AsyncInvocationTask.run(AsyncInvocationTask.java:74)

        at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1142)

        at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:617)

        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:748)

        at org.jboss.threads.JBossThread.run(JBossThread.java:320)

Caused by: javax.xml.bind.UnmarshalException

 - with linked exception:

[org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; lineNumber: 17; columnNumber: 25; cvc-complex-type.2.4.d: Invalid content was found starting with element 'work-item-handlers'. No child element is expected at this point.]

        at javax.xml.bind.helpers.AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.createUnmarshalException(AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.java:314)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.UnmarshallerImpl.createUnmarshalException(UnmarshallerImpl.java:578)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.UnmarshallerImpl.unmarshal0(UnmarshallerImpl.java:264)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.UnmarshallerImpl.unmarshal(UnmarshallerImpl.java:229)

        at javax.xml.bind.helpers.AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.unmarshal(AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.java:136)

        at javax.xml.bind.helpers.AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.unmarshal(AbstractUnmarshallerImpl.java:183)

        at org.jbpm.runtime.manager.impl.deploy.DeploymentDescriptorIO.fromXml(DeploymentDescriptorIO.java:55)

        ... 78 more

Caused by: org.xml.sax.SAXParseException; lineNumber: 17; columnNumber: 25; cvc-complex-type.2.4.d: Invalid content was found starting with element 'work-item-handlers'. No child element is expected at this point.

        at org.apache.xerces.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.createSAXParseException(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:201)

        at org.apache.xerces.util.ErrorHandlerWrapper.error(ErrorHandlerWrapper.java:132)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(XMLErrorReporter.java:394)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(XMLErrorReporter.java:325)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLErrorReporter.reportError(XMLErrorReporter.java:282)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.XMLSchemaValidator$XSIErrorReporter.reportError(XMLSchemaValidator.java:481)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.XMLSchemaValidator.reportSchemaError(XMLSchemaValidator.java:3571)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.XMLSchemaValidator.handleStartElement(XMLSchemaValidator.java:1999)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.xs.XMLSchemaValidator.startElement(XMLSchemaValidator.java:788)

        at org.apache.xerces.jaxp.validation.ValidatorHandlerImpl.startElement(ValidatorHandlerImpl.java:589)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.ValidatingUnmarshaller.startElement(ValidatingUnmarshaller.java:101)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.SAXConnector.startElement(SAXConnector.java:168)

        at org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.startElement(AbstractSAXParser.java:498)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLNSDocumentScannerImpl.scanStartElement(XMLNSDocumentScannerImpl.java:283)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl$FragmentContentDispatcher.dispatch(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:1653)

        at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.java:324)

        at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:875)

        at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(XML11Configuration.java:798)

        at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XMLParser.parse(XMLParser.java:108)

        at org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(AbstractSAXParser.java:1198)

        at org.apache.xerces.jaxp.SAXParserImpl$JAXPSAXParser.parse(SAXParserImpl.java:564)

        at com.sun.xml.bind.v2.runtime.unmarshaller.UnmarshallerImpl.unmarshal0(UnmarshallerImpl.java:258)

        ... 82 more

17:20:43,661 WARN  [org.kie.server.services.jbpm.ui.JBPMUIKieServerExtension] (EJB default - 1) Unable to create image reference for container testContainer due to null

17:20:44,330 INFO  [org.kie.server.services.impl.KieServerImpl] (EJB default - 1) Container testContainer (for release id org.rulesengine:redpine-signals:0.0.3-SNAPSHOT) successfully started

I have attached deployment-descriptor.xml file

Can anyone help in figuring out where I am wrong?

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<deployment-descriptor.xml>

[swapnil irabatti]

Hi Maciej thanks for quick reply.

I looked at the xsd schema, I am not able to figure out what mistake I am doing.

If you see my deployment-descriptor.xml file I am using <work-item-handler> tag under <work-item-handlers> is this the valid one?

I am sorry I am weak at xml and xsd.
below is my deployment-descriptor.xml

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?>

<deployment-descriptor xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.jboss.org/jbpm deployment-descriptor.xsd" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">

    <persistence-unit>org.jbpm.domain</persistence-unit>

    <audit-persistence-unit>org.jbpm.domain</audit-persistence-unit>

    <audit-mode>JPA</audit-mode>

    <persistence-mode>JPA</persistence-mode>

<runtime-strategy>PER_REQUEST</runtime-strategy>

<marshalling-strategies/>

    <event-listeners/>

    <task-event-listeners/>

    <globals/>

<environment-entries/>

    <configurations/>

    <required-roles/>

<remoteable-classes/>

<limit-serialization-classes>false</limit-serialization-classes>

    <work-item-handlers>

       <work-item-handler>

            <resolver>mvel</resolver>

            <identifier>new org.jbpm.process.workitem.email.EmailWorkItemHandler("xx.xx.xx.xx", "587", "admin.admin.com", "Hzsym@cd698", true)</identifier>

            <parameters/>

            <name>Email</name>

        </work-item-handler>

        

        <work-item-handler>

            <resolver>mvel</resolver>

            <identifier>new org.jbpm.process.workitem.rest.RESTWorkItemHandler()</identifier>

            <parameters/>

            <name>Rest</name>

        </work-item-handler> 

     </work-item-handlers> 

</deployment-descriptor>

[Maciej Swiderski]

It is the order of elements, work item handlers can't be at the end. See how it is in xsd 

Maciej 

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