How to create a new database in jbase

[Emeid]

Hi,

I'm a beginner in JBase. I want to know how to create a new database on JBASE please.
Thanks.

[novice]

Hi,

To my understanding jbase is a file based system, you dont create database but you create accounts say MYSYSTEM.BP where your files and programs reside.

Hope that helps

Regards

[Tony Gravagno]

I'm surprised that this query was allowed to go without an accurate response by jBase, VARs, and other interested parties that tend to (or should) jump to answer newbie questions like this.

 

Anyone?

[Kevin Powick]

On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 15:54:28 UTC-4, NebulaTonyG wrote:

I'm surprised that this query was allowed to go without an accurate response by jBase, VARs, and other interested parties that tend to (or should) jump to answer newbie questions like this.

Because it's a classic time-sucking question like, "How do I build a website?".  See link: http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/

The OP hasn't provided any real information as to what are their goals, what have they attempted already, what platform they're on, what version of jBASE they're using, etc, etc. 

Don't you sell consulting services?  Why not pitch the OP with an offer for some training?

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Kevin Powick

[Tony Gravagno]

On one hand I don't like trolls any more than the next guy. On the other hand the exact request was:

 

"I'm a beginner in JBase. I want to know how to create a new database on JBASE please."

 

That was clear and respectful. It doesn't have the markers of a vampire or troll. It looks like a perfectly legitimate enquiry. He's a beginner looking at a platform where the documentation sucks and it's almost impossible for a beginner to get any sort of clue.

 

And when This platform in This industry gets an open request like this, I'm surprised that there aren't more people eager to foster the education of a newcomer - perhaps one to replace the dozen or so that retire or die each year.

 

No, I'm not going to pitch the guy - I provide specialty corporate development services that others don't provide, not introductory-level training for individuals which just about anyone else can do.

 

If this question had been asked in a MongoDB group or anywhere else, I don't think every nose in the room would go up in the air like it did here. Maybe that's one of the reasons why no one even looks at this members-only MV club anymore.

 

OK, here's my response to Emeid danydieme: See the link below and take your enquiry to the MVDBMS group where you'll get better feedback and recommendations for similar systems on which you can learn.

 

Unfortunately since this industry doesn't market to the outside world, chances are high that this person is an employee in an orphaned shop that already has jBase and he/she is just trying to figure out how it works before someone recommends a migration to Oracle. In my opinion this would be another reason why some jBase VARs might have jumped on this … but seriously, who's really interested in companies who already bought the software?

 

(Contrary to appearances today has been quite pleasant otherwise, thank you.)

 

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[Richard Kann]

Sorry, should introduce myself. Richard Kann, Comp-Ware Systems. Working with Multi-value and Jbase now. Was working with Multi-value before it even was that. 30+ years experience and started in the pick World when Pick was Microdata back in teh late 70's.

Back to the questions at hand: 1) What platforms do you know. 2) What languages, if any. 3) What kind of a database do you want to do?

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[Kevin Powick]

On Wednesday, 22 May 2013 18:08:18 UTC-4, NebulaTonyG wrote:

 

 That was clear and respectful. It doesn't have the markers of a vampire or troll.

Many such people are respectful. They're not innately evil or malicious, perhaps just lazy.  However, the appearance of near zero effort by the OP begets near zero effort.

I note that for all you typed about how the lack of a helpful response is a travesty, you still haven't answered the OP's question either.  You just told him to go ask it somewhere else.

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[Daniel Klein]

What kind of response do you think someone would get if they asked this sort of nebulous question on an Oracle forum or perhaps how to build a watch on a watch forum? My guess is they would be directed to either take a class or find a mentor and that is what my answer would be to the OP.

This forum is for asking specific questions or solving specific problems, it is not a training medium. I have certainly provided many detailed answers which have gone thank-less. Not that I'm looking for any sort of external validation, but my point is there is rarely any feedback as to what success the OP had or what was eventually done so as others could benefit from the closure that the OP never provided.

I have to agree with Kevin on this one. The OP could have at least did a Google search on 'how to create a jbase database'; the result surprised even me. 

[Tony Gravagno]

From: Daniel Klein

>This forum is for asking specific questions or solving specific
problems,
> it is not a training medium.

Where was that definition established? If not here, where can people
go to get general information about jBase? How can a noob possibly
pick up fundamental information about this platform if the one place
on the internet where it's being discussed is going to insult and
reject newcomers?

A product with a user-base just large enough for one forum doesn't
have the luxury of narrowing its focus so rigidly. It's that sort of
thinking that keeps this product and forum where they are - relatively
unknown.

What's wrong with expanding the scope? When someone asks a noob
question, people should be open to providing answers it they have
knowledge and inclination for such. But let's not (re)define this
group as a place where noobs can't get answers. Someone who wants to
pick up questions like that should feel OK about taking a shot at it.
(Like "novice edwinonyuro" who did try but didn't quite get it right.)

T

[Richard Kann]

I think it is because it is such an open ended question. It's like saying I want to go into space but not sure how to do it.

I'll give it a whirl though. How much do you know about programming? What languages? What kind of a database?

On 5/22/2013 3:54 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote:

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[Richard Kann]

Some did answer but have not seen another post answering the questions
we had for him to narrow it down.

Richard
Comp-Ware

On 5/23/2013 1:19 PM, Tony Gravagno wrote:

[Tony Gravagno]

From: Kevin Powick

> Many such people are respectful. They're not innately evil or
> malicious, perhaps just lazy.  However, the appearance of
> near zero effort by the OP begets near zero effort.

Granted, and I usually respond to open questions with a request for
more info unless we smell a troll. Sometimes people don't know how to
frame a question for a platform until they've had more experience.

The question "how do I create a database" is Really almost as
fundamental as you get. That IS the starting point from which one can
then respond with "I tried this and that after I created the
database".

But tone is important here too - rather than someone asking if the OP
had access to documentation (which prior to v5 has been useless and I
haven't seen v5 docs yet), the request was simply ignored, and now
we're seeing it was ignored intentionally. That is what I'm taking
issue with here. If nothing else, I'd wonder if jBase Marketing or
Sales would have contacted this person to see if they had a reseller
who was inattentive.

> I note that for all you typed about how the lack of a helpful
> response is a travesty, you still haven't answered the OP's
> question either.

Personally I'm not qualified. While my appreciation for the platform
is always high, I've stopped using jBase for a number of reasons. So I
couldn't test whatever info I provide.

I tend to approach jBase using the "crutch" of structuring an
environment like a Pick platform, but I know that's not ideal. If I
suggest MV.CREATE.ACCOUNT, I'm sure there would be a flurry of dissent
(that might have been a better way to start the discussion, oh well).

I was hoping to see someone point to some good fundamentals info with
examples for various kinds of environments configured with a variety
of environment variables. I doubt that sort of information/tutorial
exists, though 8 years ago I was assured that documentation like that
was being written. (Perhaps it's in v5?)

Anything I'd suggest about JEDIFILENAME_SYSTEM, JBCRELEASEDIR, and
JEDIFILENAME_MD would probably be dismissed as incomplete or
inaccurate. I'm open to criticism but why open with bad info that
needs to be corrected. So I opted to wait for someone to post
something helpful ... and that didn't happen.

> You just told him to go ask it somewhere else.

Yeah, when it seemed evident that he wasn't going to get a response
here. I told him where to fish rather than tossing him a fish.

Best,
T

[VK]

Hi guys;
I'm not a devil advocate and I'm not employed by Temenos either,
but...

Quotes:

" a platform where the documentation sucks "

"documentation (which prior to v5 has been useless and I
haven't seen v5 docs yet),"

All this is true; recently I took a humble (about 50%) participance in
an attempt to revive the very old "jBASE basic.pdf"...
The results are here:

http://jbc.temenos.com

There is certain set of introduction chapters that might help
beginners I believe.

Actually it's not officially adopted by Temenos (despite the hosting);
it's just a mirror of an "open-source" documentation - original is at
Github:

https://github.com/temenos/jbc-language/

Alexander Demin posted here an announcement some time ago but I afraid
it went mostly unnoticed because he mentioned "T24-related mostly"...
no, it's not. Most examples are pure jBASE.

Tale a look guys.
Regards,
V.K.