I don't think Apple wants Java on it any more than they want it on the
iPhone -- and it's unclear whether it is worth Oracle's while to fight this.
Sure we all want Java to be ubiquitous. But when a vendor goes this far
to drive everyone else off their platforms and, unlike Microsoft, does
not dominate desktop computing, how far do you go?
Perhaps there's a backroom deal floating that will come to light soon,
but it really sounds like any attempts at such a deal just plain fell apart.
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Indeed, it was rather useless for what I recall.
The real problem here is apple pulled an a-hole move. They just said
it's deprecated. They didn't inform oracle and come up with a
transition story. That would have been the professional thing to do.
No one would be upset if the story was "Oracle is taking over Mac
development of the JVM".
Yeah, I'm curious on what makes that a stupid statement. Especially
since, from all I've heard so far, the largest repercussion is that
you can not use Java in their App Store, now.
But with the new apple TV running ios with no hard drive, haven't they just turned you TV into a big iPod (non)Touch (not that there is anything wrong with that)?
Clearly all this act is to fend off competition and make money out of
java(read stephen coulborne's blog).
I think Sun was just moving into a trap that it created (with its open
source game & then asking for licensing fees with its testing
kits.).They forgot competition & the other problems that came bundling
They tried to come out of their own trap. Sign, too little too
late.THEY SHOULD HAVE LEANT FROM IBM..
On 10/22/10, Chris Adamson <inval...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To me, one line that stood out in Gosling's blog was this one:
> "Sun also provided the VM for Linux because there was no one else to
> do it."
> There was a Blackdown port of Java, but I believe it was pretty
> troubled. Porting all of Java, including AWT and javax.sound and all
> that, is *hard*. Again, I think you see Sun stepping in with their
> own JDK primarily as a means of attracting developers and legitimizing
> the Java platform. They may not have wanted to, but it seems they had
> On Oct 22, 8:22 am, opinali <opin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 22, 8:08 am, Fabrizio Giudici <fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it>
>> > On 10/22/10 12:01 , opinali wrote:> Why did Apple insist on having
>> > control of the Mac JVM years ago, when
>> > > Sun wanted do do that?
>> > As Chris said, unfortunately in this case Sun is to blame for the poor
>> > engineering and integration, at the time.
>> > --
>> > Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager
>> > Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere."
>> > java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici -www.tidalwave.it/people
>> > Fabrizio.Giud...@tidalwave.it
Only problem with this comment is that this has caught Oracle flat footed. If Apple were on this path they might have given Oracle a heads up.
110 according to the Apple Keynote. Macs are a $22 Billion revenue
generator according to the keynote as well.
> If we're going to scream bloody murder about apple, let's keep the
> focus on the sharecropping bullpuckey they are going to extend with
> this new appstore. You know the drill: If apple doesn't like your app,
> you can't sell it, and you have no recourse of any kind other than to
> try and get the tech world riled up. That's a crappy model for
> developers. That's worth whining about.
Your recourse would be to sell mac apps directly rather than the app
store, this is allowed on the Mac app store model. This is how I
think the iPhone should work too. It's ridiculous that the app store
is the only distribution method.
Your recourse would be to sell mac apps directly rather than the app store, this is allowed on the Mac app store model. This is how I think the iPhone should work too. It's ridiculous that the app store is the only distribution method.
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