Java 6 Update 10 Shipped?

[Jack]

It would look like Java 6 Update 10 is finally out, which is great
news for us, since we're trying to use draggable applets for one of
our projects.

However, it doesn't look like they've made the JRE really easy to find
for non-technical consumers yet. Hopefully that'll follow shortly.

[avalionis]

yes, it was released you can download it for consumer/pro or what ever
reasons from http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp

[Casper Bang]

Sadly it looks like we'll have to wait until update 12 to get any kind
of 64bit plugin (and thus JavaFX) support:
http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4802695

/Casper

On Oct 20, 12:29 am, avalionis <aurimas.valio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, it was released you can download it for consumer/pro or what ever

> reasons fromhttp://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp

[Neil Bartlett]

Bear in mind that relying on new features in the latest Java release
(such as draggable applets) will mean Mac OS users won't be able to
use your application for several years, unless you write your
application to degrade gracefully where those features are not
present.

Rgds
Neil

[mbien]

On Oct 20, 10:40 am, Neil Bartlett <njbartl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bear in mind that relying on new features in the latest Java release
> (such as draggable applets) will mean Mac OS users won't be able to
> use your application for several years, unless you write your
> application to degrade gracefully where those features are not
> present.

it should be easy to build backward compatible applets. There are only
corner cases where this is not possible. Applets will be of course not
draggable on pre update 10 releases and run in the same process but
they should work.

[Jess Holle]

This is a decision Apple has clearly made for its customers :-)

In the consumer market, ignoring Mac OS X might not be possible, but in a lot of realms the Mac is totally ignored due to issues like this.

I used to use a Mac as my primary platform and gripe about this.  That was before cross-platform technologies like Java were well established, so I didn't blame Apple -- now I do at least when it comes to Java.  [When someone writes an app against Windows APIs they were setting out to pretend that Windows == the world, so I clearly still blame the app vendor if they don't bother to port at that point.]

That said, Apple recently released Java 6 Update 7 (only for their newer boxes, of course), so if you only care about the "up to date" portion of Apple's market Update 10 may not be all that far off.  Cute thing is you'll never ever know until it is out as Apple couldn't possibly give developers any clue as to what to expect from them -- such consideration is not part of Apple's "style".

--
Jess Holle

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[Jack]

Yup, I understand that. We'll make that clear to the client, and allow
alternative download options (e.g., WebStart).

> > for non-technical consumers yet. Hopefully that'll follow shortly.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Fabio]

slightly off-topic: nimbus on the mac?

according to the java 6u10 release notes, the nimbus laf is included
with the release. now of course the mac guys don't have this update,
yet. is there any way to get the nimbus part of this release? i'd like
to switch to the nimbus laf for all my java apps.

regards
fabio

On 20 Okt., 00:29, avalionis <aurimas.valio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, it was released you can download it for consumer/pro or what ever

> reasons fromhttp://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp

[Jack]

Isn't Nimbus available as a separate JAR? Can't you just ship your app
with it?

[Jack]

Isn't Nimbus available as a separate JAR? Can't you just ship your app
with it?

On Oct 20, 1:54 am, Fabio <fabio.geno...@googlemail.com> wrote:

[Reinier Zwitserloot]

All due nastyness to apple is deserved - they certainly haven't
received their fair share of rightful abuse by the IT community, but,
a little reality check:

On windows, and on linux, there is no java at all. It has to be
installed separately. This is supremely annoying. There are odds the
linux user has e.g. debian/ubuntu openjdk-6 installed, and on windows
there's a chance that the manufacturer has shipped an auto-updating
JDK out of the box, but there's no certainty there. On macs, at least,
you know there's always a java, and a well integrated, if non-
standard, way to deploy.

The same thing which is making java show up by default on linux (it's
open sourcey goodness) opens the door for apple java, too: if you can
convince a user to install soylatte, then, you're up to the very
latest date. Now, sure, this is an inferior java in regards to applets
and graphics - the very things the 6u10 are updating, so I'm jumping
the gun a bit. Consider it a call to arms for anybody out there that
knows a thing or two about Cocoa. But there's no reason why it can't
happen. And the more Apple waffles on their java implementations, the
more likely it becomes.

So, apologies for the interruption; continue yelling at Apple. And let
me add a little to the fire:

It's doubleplus retarded that Apple just doesn't spill so much as a
single verb about how far along they are in regards to developing new
versions of the apple JVM. I get the whole: Unlike everyone else, we
make the tough decisions just like that if it benefits the end
product, which is fairly incompatible with pre-announcing anything.
It's not worth it for such a tiny little detail that no one other than
developers really care about. Just dump this stuff with the catch-all
NDA on the Apple Developer Network thing. It prevents major news
sources from writing about it, but it also means every developer
pretty much knows but with the usual 'it's an apple rumour, so don't
take it as gospel'. Sounds like a fine deal to me.

On Oct 20, 1:52 pm, Jess Holle <je...@ptc.com> wrote:
> This is a decision Apple has clearly made for its customers :-)
>
> In the consumer market, ignoring Mac OS X might not be possible, but in
> a lot of realms the Mac is totally ignored due to issues like this.
>
> I used to use a Mac as my primary platform and gripe about this.  That
> was before cross-platform technologies like Java were well established,
> so I didn't blame Apple -- now I do at least when it comes to Java.  
> [When someone writes an app against Windows APIs they were setting out
> to pretend that Windows == the world, so I clearly still blame the app
> vendor if they don't bother to port at that point.]
>
> That said, Apple recently released Java 6 Update 7 (only for their newer
> boxes, of course), so if you only care about the "up to date" portion of

> Apple's market Update 10 /may/ not be all that far off.  Cute thing is

[sherod]

I've included 1.6.10 in our new installation package and ran one of
the BA's through the installation process.

I used the silent option on Java's install package, it went so
smoothly I had to run java -version to see if it had worked :)

I'm toying with using the kernel installer, but that might be tempting
fate, we want the install to be small, but I'm a little scared, we
were quite burnt by WebStart in the past, so keeping things meat and
potatoes might be best.

[robilad]

Press release: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20081021005681&newsLang=en
Slideset from yesterdays's Java Champions call:
https://java-champions.dev.java.net/pdfs/javase6u10.pdf

cheers,
dalibor topic