No more JME on Meego?
fabrizio...@tidalwave.it
Manfred Moser
JME is as good as dead. Everything/everybody is moving away from it. I
find it ironic that Rich Green is making this announcement..
manfred
Russel Winder
Your assertion appears to have only contrary evidence given the number
of new clients I have requesting Java ME training as they are creating
new products for Java ME platforms.
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phil swenson
you eliminate Symbian, what's left?
Russel Winder
> Seems like Nokia just put the final nail in the coffin to me. Once
> you eliminate Symbian, what's left?
I have no idea. Personally I would just go with Java SE Embedded, but
clients want Java ME training so who am I to object to income?
Manfred Moser
>> > http://www.dzone.com/links/r/nokia_makes_qt_the_sole_application_development_f.html
>>
>> JME is as good as dead. Everything/everybody is moving away from it. I
>> find it ironic that Rich Green is making this announcement..
>
> Your assertion appears to have only contrary evidence given the number
> of new clients I have requesting Java ME training as they are creating
> new products for Java ME platforms.
Very interesting. What phones will they be installed on? There will be
less and less JME phones around if the trend continues.. are you sure
those are not just legacy requests? I would be glad if JME gets revived
and modernized but in my world I here barely anything about it.
manfred
Derek Munneke
S40 still outsells iOS and Android combined by a factor of 4.
Also Bada still has a kvm, but Samsung wont sell j2me apps via their app store.
Smart phones are still a small slice (<20%) of the overall market, albiet the slice spending the most; but smartphone growth is also stimulating the feature phone apps market.
Targeting s40 only on Ovi will make j2me much more accessible for independent developers by eleminating the porting hell.
/derek
Fabrizio Giudici
> On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 16:02 -0600, phil swenson wrote:
>> Seems like Nokia just put the final nail in the coffin to me. Once
>> you eliminate Symbian, what's left?
> I have no idea. Personally I would just go with Java SE Embedded, but
> clients want Java ME training so who am I to object to income?
>
phones out there and for sure it makes sense to develop on them for the
immediate and still for a few time. But the point is perspective: as
Phil said, if Nokia goes, there's basically only RIM.
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Manfred Moser
>> On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 16:02 -0600, phil swenson wrote:
>>> Seems like Nokia just put the final nail in the coffin to me. Once
>>> you eliminate Symbian, what's left?
>> I have no idea. Personally I would just go with Java SE Embedded, but
>> clients want Java ME training so who am I to object to income?
>>
> Well, the two things are not contradictory: there are billions of JME
> phones out there and for sure it makes sense to develop on them for the
> immediate and still for a few time. But the point is perspective: as
> Phil said, if Nokia goes, there's basically only RIM.
And RIM is not exactly bringing out hot new phones everybody is looking
for, not to mention there PR troubles with their encryption (even if that
is unjustified).
manfred
Miroslav Pokorny
Russel Winder
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> Very interesting. What phones will they be installed on? There will be
> less and less JME phones around if the trend continues.. are you sure
> those are not just legacy requests? I would be glad if JME gets revived
> and modernized but in my world I here barely anything about it.
It is not totally clear what the platforms are, but I suspect all
Blackberry. I had thought I had given my last Java ME training course
two years ago, but all of a sudden two in the last month.
Cédric Beust ♔
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 15:51 -0700, Manfred Moser wrote:
[ . . . ]
> Very interesting. What phones will they be installed on? There will beIt is not totally clear what the platforms are, but I suspect all
> less and less JME phones around if the trend continues.. are you sure
> those are not just legacy requests? I would be glad if JME gets revived
> and modernized but in my world I here barely anything about it.
Blackberry. I had thought I had given my last Java ME training course
two years ago, but all of a sudden two in the last month.
Cédric
Carl Jokl
year MIDP 3.0 was finalised made me think it would be bit pointless
to have a new version of MIDP if no-one was interested in JavaME. I
don't think JavaME is going to attract much media attention and I do
think it is a degree of decline. The question is whether it is
declining as fast as some are making out as even this thread seems to
be full of disagreement on whether it is in decline.
For all the problems and limitations of JavaME, it did at least work
based on a committee of members deciding what would go into it. With
Android, in spite of all the posturing about openness it seems to me
that Google is the only one directing the platform. That said, this
approach worked for Windows Mobile in the past and in a more extreme
sense with iOS (though in the latter case it only runs on one
manufacturers hardware).
Given that I still have an unfinished JavaME project in the pipeline,
it is not so reassuring when people keep saying JavaME is dead.
Fabrizio Giudici
> Given that I still have an unfinished JavaME project in the pipeline,
> it is not so reassuring when people keep saying JavaME is dead.
>
mobile world as in the pre-JME times. Even ignoring iPhone, and ignoring
that supporting the same app for Android and JME is a non trivial thing,
you're going to leave out the future top products by Nokia. And you'd
have to revert to C++ to support them. Not good at all.
Of course, I think that there are high chances that the latest decision
from Nokia is the n-th step in a sequence of disastrous decisions and
that Meego will be a failure. So, perhaps they will have to revert to
another solution (whose name starts with A) sooner or later.
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