JavaFX 2 officially released?

[Simon Ochsenreither]

Maybe I completely missed it, but the website now offers a JavaFX 2 SDK (without "Beta") and it seems like it wasn't announced anywhere.

The most notable change seems to be that the code will be open-sourced and contributed to OpenJDK.

Any idea what's happening here?

[Josh Juneau]

They officially released it this morning at the JavaOne keynote.

Downloaded and installed Netbeans 7.1 beta...haven't tried out the JavaFX 2.0 beta yet.

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[Kevin Wright]

And an OSX version too!

Shame about Linux support taking another year though, <sarcasm>I guess Oracle must already know how much us developer types secretly really do love the clunky Windows command line...</sarcasm>

[Ricky Clarkson]

Does this mean anything for media support for Java, e.g., MPEG-4?

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[Russel Winder]

On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 00:11 +0100, Kevin Wright wrote:
> And an OSX version too!

Which is an improvement on being Windows only.

> Shame about Linux support taking another year though, <sarcasm>I guess
> Oracle must already know how much us developer types secretly really do love
> the clunky Windows command line...</sarcasm>

I think I'd go without the sarcasm style of criticism and just say: for
a company trying to push Linux as a platform, Oracle sure do make
themselves look like a Windows based company.

I know Windows and OS X make up 90+% (ish) of all workstation and laptop
users, but I bet this is not true for developers. And surely it is the
developers who are using JavaFX, not the end users. Thus it is the
spread of OS use by developers that matters and I bet Linux represents a
significant market share in that audience.

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[Fabrizio Giudici]

On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:15:34 +0200, Russel Winder <rus...@russel.org.uk>
wrote:

> I know Windows and OS X make up 90+% (ish) of all workstation and laptop
> users, but I bet this is not true for developers. And surely it is the
> developers who are using JavaFX, not the end users. Thus it is the
> spread of OS use by developers that matters and I bet Linux represents a
> significant market share in that audience.

For what concerns developers, Mac OS X comes as the very last one, with a
much smaller share than Linux (reliable source, but not disclosable);
don't be fooled by Apple people at conferences. So I suppose Oracle gave
priority to deployment.

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[Jan Goyvaerts]

I might be wrong, but didn't they recently do native Linux graphics stuff ? A pipeline of some sorts... So why no Linux support after all ?

[Carl Jokl]

So we have a fairly dry launch video, no fanfare for the launch and
absolutely no demos provided. What an underwhelming launch for
something that has been anticipated for so long. Granted the Java 7
launch seemed equally quiet and uneventful.

On Oct 4, 9:18 am, Jan Goyvaerts <java.arti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I might be wrong, but didn't they recently do native Linux graphics stuff ?
> A pipeline of some sorts... So why no Linux support after all ?
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> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:15, Russel Winder <rus...@russel.org.uk> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2011-10-04 at 00:11 +0100, Kevin Wright wrote:
> > > And an OSX version too!
>
> > Which is an improvement on being Windows only.
>
> > > Shame about Linux support taking another year though, <sarcasm>I guess
> > > Oracle must already know how much us developer types secretly really do
> > love
> > > the clunky Windows command line...</sarcasm>
>
> > I think I'd go without the sarcasm style of criticism and just say:  for
> > a company trying to push Linux as a platform, Oracle sure do make
> > themselves look like a Windows based company.
>
> > I know Windows and OS X make up 90+% (ish) of all workstation and laptop
> > users, but I bet this is not true for developers.  And surely it is the
> > developers who are using JavaFX, not the end users.  Thus it is the
> > spread of OS use by developers that matters and I bet Linux represents a
> > significant market share in that audience.
>
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[Cédric Beust ♔]

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Carl Jokl <carl...@gmail.com> wrote:

So we have a fairly dry launch video, no fanfare for the launch and
absolutely no demos provided. What an underwhelming launch for
something that has been anticipated for so long.

Are you seriously complaining that JavaFX is not being hyped enough? :-)

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[Carl Jokl]

JavaFX was certainly hyped plenty under Sun and I remember the 1.0
launch with lots of build up including the Aint Your Dad's Java
podcast mentioning it incessantly up to the launch. I don't think back
then I would have imagined that 2.0 was launched without a big build
up and launch event.

On Oct 4, 5:28 pm, Cédric Beust ♔ <ced...@beust.com> wrote:

[Cédric Beust ♔]

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Carl Jokl <carl...@gmail.com> wrote:

JavaFX was certainly hyped plenty under Sun and I remember the 1.0
launch with lots of build up including the Aint Your Dad's Java
podcast mentioning it incessantly up to the launch. I don't think back
then I would have imagined that 2.0 was launched without a big build
up and launch event.

I'm surprised there is a 2.0 at all.

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[Carl Jokl]

I think at the moment aiming it as a Swing companion or replacement is
the safest option given the level of anti plugin sentiment in the Web
development world. I still like it. That doesn't mean it will be
successful as I also liked Sun too.

On Oct 4, 5:47 pm, Cédric Beust ♔ <ced...@beust.com> wrote:

[Sven Reimers]

Follow the announcement from JavaOne. JavaFX is positioned as the
future client side technology...

-Sven

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[Cédric Beust ♔]

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Sven Reimers <sven.r...@gmail.com> wrote:

Follow the announcement from JavaOne. JavaFX is positioned as the
future client side technology...

As it was when initially announced almost three years ago.

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[Bryan]

Have they announced how the runtime would be integrated into the JRE?
At one point they said it would be part of a Java 7 update, but I've
since heard they were going to wait until Java 8 (now 2013) to include
JavaFX in the JRE. I wasn't sure how reliable the rumor was though.


On Oct 3, 4:34 pm, Simon Ochsenreither

[Martijn Verburg]

The initial thoughts were Java 8, but I think it's fair to say that further input from the other OpenJDK members and the community was requested before it's set in concrete.

Cheers,
Martijn

[Martijn Verburg]

I should elaborate and state that jigsaw/modular Java makes this a good deal simpler. - M

[Kevin Wright]

What, therefore, does this imply for Java8 support/availability on Linux?

[Martijn Verburg]

I believe that they'll try to hit that yes (they demoed it working on
an Android device) - but this definitely isn't set in stone yet. They
polled the community as to what platforms they wanted supported, and
of course everyone said "All of them" ;-). Well not quite, but I
think iOS, Mac OS X and Linux (and therefore Android) were popular
choices (yes Kirk, Solaris too ;p).

M

[Martijn Verburg]

To add to this (sorry for the add-on posts today), I think this is a
powerful reason to open source this ASAP. That way a bunch of vendors
and community members can work with Oracle to hit some of these
platforms earlier. Oracle does actually have limited resources,
despite what some people might think :-).

M

[Kevin Wright]

That's cool.  I cried foul on the lack of open-sourcing *before* I bemoaned the lack of a Linux distribution :)

[Mark Derricutt]

On the OpenJDK lists there's already been posted a proposal for the full Open Sourcing of Java FX 2 which is awesome.

Mark

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