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if Google and Oracle don't reach a reasonable agreement over Java, Google obviously needs a plan to move away from Java.
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> away from Java. Dart is being announced as a "web language" but
> unless they hope to put that in the browser as an alternative to
> Javascript (and even Google could not pull this out (*)), it doesn't
> make much sense to have a language that is only useful to write web
> apps, so this can be just the initial application.
Oak was an embedded systems programming language for white and brown
goods. Then it transmogrified to Java a language for programming
applets and enlivening the browser experience. Then it transmogrified
to Java the language for programming all your server systems.
Clearly Java is a programming language that doesn't know where it's
going and has no focused purpose. Can it have a future with such a
chequered past?
Or put another way, I never believe marketing hype.
And to bait people with "Lots of speculation about Dart; few facts. All
will be revealed at GOTO Aarhus." is clear evidence of marketing hype.
>
> ((*) Microsoft failed miserably to impose their VBScript at the climax
> of MSIE's dominance, so no chance really, even though I would love the
Let's hope the aftermath of the climax was not too messy :-)
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Not too far fetched, Google's strategy seems to be to throw as much up against the wall and see what sticks. However, in this specific case I think we're more likely to see a language unifying client-server on the web (a la node.js for server and JavaScript for browser), given the background of Bracha and Bak.
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Nothing technically as a language other than it was image based, leading
to some interesting problems in large systems development.
It's problem was that it failed to continue to gain traction when Java
arrived and started to steam-roller it in commercial use. No-one chose
to take up the role of champion of Smalltalk against Java.
Unlike Lisp (which is unique and has a unique position in software), I
can't see Smalltalk making comeback after comeback.
Wow. We don't know how this is genuine from Dash authors, but - to me,
little bastard - it's refreshing to see that *perhaps* there's at least
someone in Google who agrees that Javascript is a total mess. This is
also somewhat fun, because when Google introduced Chrome and its
optimized JS engine the message was different and totally enthusiastic
about JS. Just two different schools within Google or problems have
emerged since then? BTW, does the mess of JavaScript applies to the
server side as well (e.g. Node.js) according to this thinking in Google?
Of course I'm sceptical about the chances that a new language, that in
addition needs to be supported by browsers, is capable to overcome
Javascript. But I'd be glad if this happens (well, first I'd like to see
how Dash is). This would confirm an idea of mine, that while the 4/5
mainstream languages (and frameworks) keep on being mainstream, in the
crowd of wanna-be-mainstreams there's a continuous fight. As soon as a
candidate seems to emerge, a "better" one kills it. Needn't to say that
if the above sentences are true and JS can't be a viable solution in the
long-term, stuff such as jQuery (the latest silver bullet) aren't too (I
mean, they would need to be ported to Dash).
I've tried to re-google the sentences, but it seems that only that email
message is mentioning them. To avoid spreading possible FUD, I will
prevent myself from commenting elsewhere until someone finds a more
reliable quote (I mean, with an explicit attribution).
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On Fri, 2011-09-09 at 16:56 -0600, phil swenson wrote:
> what's wrong with smalltalk?Nothing technically as a language other than it was image based, leading
to some interesting problems in large systems development.
It's problem was that it failed to continue to gain traction when Java
arrived and started to steam-roller it in commercial use. No-one chose
to take up the role of champion of Smalltalk against Java.Unlike Lisp (which is unique and has a unique position in software), I
can't see Smalltalk making comeback after comeback.
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REEEEEAAALLLY?