Jetbrains releases "Meta Programming System" beta
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BoD
Dec 10, 2008, 6:11:48 AM12/10/08
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Wow... I was very interested by this project back in 2003 when they
released their paper about '*Language Oriented Programming' and since
then, there were no news, so I thought it was abandoned...
But I was wrong as they just released a product based on the research!
released their paper about '*Language Oriented Programming' and since
then, there were no news, so I thought it was abandoned...
But I was wrong as they just released a product based on the research!
They say they've been using it internally so this is promising (I
haven't tried it yet).
=> http://www.jetbrains.com/mps/?rss
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Christian Catchpole
Dec 10, 2008, 3:51:36 PM12/10/08
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Oh - my - freekin.. And its open source.
I used to be really against code generators - and still am for cases
where they are better solutions (ie. we use reflective beans copiers
rather than generating source to copy each property).
But this looks like a perfect candidate for source generation. One of
the problems with using DSLs and extensions in the enterprise space is
that management don't want to risk investing in languages which they
can't readily hire for or support. But if the generated source is
good enough, you could argue that your worst case scenario is to throw
about the DSL and maintain the generated legacy. I'm not suggesting
this is a good way to go, but the argument might help you use a DSL in
a situations you might not normally be allowed.
I also think it would be cool to target non-Java languages.
I used to be really against code generators - and still am for cases
where they are better solutions (ie. we use reflective beans copiers
rather than generating source to copy each property).
But this looks like a perfect candidate for source generation. One of
the problems with using DSLs and extensions in the enterprise space is
that management don't want to risk investing in languages which they
can't readily hire for or support. But if the generated source is
good enough, you could argue that your worst case scenario is to throw
about the DSL and maintain the generated legacy. I'm not suggesting
this is a good way to go, but the argument might help you use a DSL in
a situations you might not normally be allowed.
I also think it would be cool to target non-Java languages.
Reinier Zwitserloot
Dec 11, 2008, 7:16:14 PM12/11/08
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Yes, looks really good. The basics I've read shows they understand
this stuff (e.g: That you really have to view source as consisting of
an AST; *NOT* as a bunch of plain text).
I really don't have the time to look at it more thoroughly until mid
januari. If anyone checks this out more thoroughly, I'd be much
obliged if they'd post a report of sorts here.
On Dec 10, 9:51 pm, Christian Catchpole <christ...@catchpole.net>
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this stuff (e.g: That you really have to view source as consisting of
an AST; *NOT* as a bunch of plain text).
I really don't have the time to look at it more thoroughly until mid
januari. If anyone checks this out more thoroughly, I'd be much
obliged if they'd post a report of sorts here.
On Dec 10, 9:51 pm, Christian Catchpole <christ...@catchpole.net>
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