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Christian Catchpole
Jan 10, 2008, 8:34:42 PM1/10/08
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The Posse were discussing their history with languages. I had been
reminiscing myself recently. In roughly chronological order...
Commodore 64 basic V2
6502
Amiga basic
68000
TurboDEX
AmigaE (Had Objects, Exceptions and function pointers. nice one
Wouter)
C
C++
Z80 (Game boy)
x86
AVR Micro-controller
Java (jing jing jing)
READY
[]
reminiscing myself recently. In roughly chronological order...
Commodore 64 basic V2
6502
Amiga basic
68000
TurboDEX
AmigaE (Had Objects, Exceptions and function pointers. nice one
Wouter)
C
C++
Z80 (Game boy)
x86
AVR Micro-controller
Java (jing jing jing)
READY
[]
Jason Waring
Jan 10, 2008, 8:48:15 PM1/10/08
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PDP BASIC
8085
FORTRAN IV and 77
C
x86
68000
6502
HP-BASIC
8051
C++
FORTRAN 90/95
Matlab
Java
IDL
I cut my teeth on an Amiga too.
Cheers,
Jason
On Jan 11, 10:34 am, Christian Catchpole <christ...@catchpole.net>
wrote:
8085
FORTRAN IV and 77
C
x86
68000
6502
HP-BASIC
8051
C++
FORTRAN 90/95
Matlab
Java
IDL
I cut my teeth on an Amiga too.
Cheers,
Jason
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wrote:
Casper Bang
Jan 10, 2008, 10:52:22 PM1/10/08
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QBasic
Visual Basic
Delphi
Z80 (TI-85)
86x (386)
C/C++/MFC
Java
C#
/Casper
Visual Basic
Delphi
Z80 (TI-85)
86x (386)
C/C++/MFC
Java
C#
/Casper
Christian Catchpole
Jan 11, 2008, 12:09:06 AM1/11/08
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"They have been at a great feast of languages, and stol'n the scraps."
- William Shakespeare
- William Shakespeare
RogerV
Jan 11, 2008, 2:04:31 AM1/11/08
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TI calculator (programmable magnetic strips)
Fortran
Commodore 64 Basic
6502 assembly
Apple II Basic
IBM 360/370 assembly
Ada
Macintosh Pascal
Object Pascal
C
68000 assembly
Modula 2
C++
80286 assembly
80386 assembly
PowerPC assembly
Managed C++
Perl
MIPS assembly
Java
C#
Groovy
ActionScript3
Fortran
Commodore 64 Basic
6502 assembly
Apple II Basic
IBM 360/370 assembly
Ada
Macintosh Pascal
Object Pascal
C
68000 assembly
Modula 2
C++
80286 assembly
80386 assembly
PowerPC assembly
Managed C++
Perl
MIPS assembly
Java
C#
Groovy
ActionScript3
RogerV
Jan 11, 2008, 2:07:09 AM1/11/08
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Heck, forgot about these:
COBOL, PL/I, and PL/SQL
COBOL, PL/I, and PL/SQL
Mark Derricutt
Jan 11, 2008, 4:19:53 AM1/11/08
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I think I was:
C= Vic 20 Basic
C= C16 Basic / 6502
C= +4 Basic / 6502 (I won the C16 at a store opening, hence that route over a C64)
Amiga Basic
AMOS Basic
68000 Asm (demo scene baby!)
C/Pascal
Delphi
Java
Smalltalk
Scala
C= Vic 20 Basic
C= C16 Basic / 6502
C= +4 Basic / 6502 (I won the C16 at a store opening, hence that route over a C64)
Amiga Basic
AMOS Basic
68000 Asm (demo scene baby!)
C/Pascal
Delphi
Java
Smalltalk
Scala
Alexey
Jan 11, 2008, 10:10:57 AM1/11/08
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Basic
Elektronika ?? (Soviet programmable calculator)
Pascal
C
C++
Perl
Java
PL/SQL
C#
Elektronika ?? (Soviet programmable calculator)
Pascal
C
C++
Perl
Java
PL/SQL
C#
marcelomo...@gmail.com
Jan 11, 2008, 10:49:59 AM1/11/08
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The ones i think i can still program in
Logo
Pascal
C
C++
Java <--- Still, a favorite by faaaaaar
Perl
PHP
The ones that i may have forgotten
PL/SQL
RPL (from the hp48)
scheme
lisp (emacs)
4gl (informix)
Logo
Pascal
C
C++
Java <--- Still, a favorite by faaaaaar
Perl
PHP
The ones that i may have forgotten
PL/SQL
RPL (from the hp48)
scheme
lisp (emacs)
4gl (informix)
Tom Hawtin
Jan 11, 2008, 10:51:39 AM1/11/08
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It's Friday afternoon and we've run out of (instant) coffee(!!), so I
might as well. To vastly varying levels:
BBC BASIC (II, Z80 and V)
6502
Lisp (Acornsoft, xlisp)
Z80[1]
FORTRAN
Miranda
C (mostly ANSI)
Modula-2
ARM (prog26 only)
C++
"TK Script" (v. proprietary)
(Reading 68000[2] and a little bit of x86)
HTML[3]
Java(TM) (1.02 - 7-ea)
SQL[3] (MS Transact, Oracle, MySQL and PostgreSQL)
PROIV (very little, thank god)
JavaScript(TM)
Java(TM) bytecode
XSLT[4]
So that's not much new in the last decade. Brookes was right. I've not
seen any interesting new languages since Java. My real pain points
with Java are: dismal syntax, the too dynamic/limited type system and
general cruft.
[1] Until my assembler assembled a non-existent instruction - nasty
irregular beast.
[2] Do you think if I can persuade this variable into D4, the compiler
will emit EOR with an immediate?
[3] Only kidding.
[4] And I don't just mean trivial templates.
might as well. To vastly varying levels:
BBC BASIC (II, Z80 and V)
6502
Lisp (Acornsoft, xlisp)
Z80[1]
FORTRAN
Miranda
C (mostly ANSI)
Modula-2
ARM (prog26 only)
C++
"TK Script" (v. proprietary)
(Reading 68000[2] and a little bit of x86)
HTML[3]
Java(TM) (1.02 - 7-ea)
SQL[3] (MS Transact, Oracle, MySQL and PostgreSQL)
PROIV (very little, thank god)
JavaScript(TM)
Java(TM) bytecode
XSLT[4]
So that's not much new in the last decade. Brookes was right. I've not
seen any interesting new languages since Java. My real pain points
with Java are: dismal syntax, the too dynamic/limited type system and
general cruft.
[1] Until my assembler assembled a non-existent instruction - nasty
irregular beast.
[2] Do you think if I can persuade this variable into D4, the compiler
will emit EOR with an immediate?
[3] Only kidding.
[4] And I don't just mean trivial templates.
Alexey
Jan 11, 2008, 10:52:19 AM1/11/08
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On Jan 11, 10:10 am, Alexey <inline_f...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Elektronika ?? (Soviet programmable calculator)
This thread inspired me to try to find out exactly what that
> Elektronika ?? (Soviet programmable calculator)
calculator was and voila (Google is a wonderful thing): <http://
www.rechenkasten.de/ScientificDesktops/Elektronika_MK_45/index.html>
Viktor Klang
Jan 11, 2008, 11:09:37 AM1/11/08
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I only code Blub.
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Steve Carl
Jan 11, 2008, 1:18:49 PM1/11/08
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jtyost2
Jan 11, 2008, 12:10:48 PM1/11/08
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Currently a student in college working on my Bachelors of CS.
C++
Basic
HTML
VB 6
Java <- I heart Java
C#
PHP
In the process of learning C and Perl
C++
Basic
HTML
VB 6
Java <- I heart Java
C#
PHP
In the process of learning C and Perl
Mike Kaufman
Jan 11, 2008, 3:36:34 PM1/11/08
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Always a happy topic (with a few screams thrown in for good measure).
It's strange to hear which languages people did at Uni, especially
when it's close but not quite the same period as your own time.
Anyway, for what it's worth, my own saga is something like:
School:
- CESIL ("Computer Education in Schools Instructional Language" - a
kind of high-level assembler for UK schools)
- Basic (No! that cannot possibly have been my first real language!
The horror! But I think it was!)
Then first job:
- Cobol (incl. CICS, Adabas etc)
- IBM 370 assembler
- ICL System Ten assembler (pretty neat - machine code was ASCII, so
can edit it directly...and our own o/s)
- Natural (4GL)
Then a bit on my own with just an Amstrad word-processor to play
with::
- C
- Logo
Then University:
- Ada
- SQL
- Prolog
- Lisp (well, not really, but kind of sort of)
- Pascal
- Tons more C
- 68000 assembler
- C++ (not part of course, but felt it necessary)
- MS Access macros and VB (not by choice!)
After Uni:
- Having to remember Cobol
- IDEAL (4GL)
- CaseGen (Cobol generator)
- Delphi (with the odd bit of C++ and VBA here and there)
- Java
- Javascript (have dabbled, but only just now learning it properly)
Have recently toyed with Eiffel, Scala, Ruby, but still firmly a Java
guy after 8 years of it - the longest with anything other than Cobol.
Cheers,
Mike
On Jan 11, 1:34 am, Christian Catchpole <christ...@catchpole.net>
wrote:
It's strange to hear which languages people did at Uni, especially
when it's close but not quite the same period as your own time.
Anyway, for what it's worth, my own saga is something like:
School:
- CESIL ("Computer Education in Schools Instructional Language" - a
kind of high-level assembler for UK schools)
- Basic (No! that cannot possibly have been my first real language!
The horror! But I think it was!)
Then first job:
- Cobol (incl. CICS, Adabas etc)
- IBM 370 assembler
- ICL System Ten assembler (pretty neat - machine code was ASCII, so
can edit it directly...and our own o/s)
- Natural (4GL)
Then a bit on my own with just an Amstrad word-processor to play
with::
- C
- Logo
Then University:
- Ada
- SQL
- Prolog
- Lisp (well, not really, but kind of sort of)
- Pascal
- Tons more C
- 68000 assembler
- C++ (not part of course, but felt it necessary)
- MS Access macros and VB (not by choice!)
After Uni:
- Having to remember Cobol
- IDEAL (4GL)
- CaseGen (Cobol generator)
- Delphi (with the odd bit of C++ and VBA here and there)
- Java
- Javascript (have dabbled, but only just now learning it properly)
Have recently toyed with Eiffel, Scala, Ruby, but still firmly a Java
guy after 8 years of it - the longest with anything other than Cobol.
Cheers,
Mike
On Jan 11, 1:34 am, Christian Catchpole <christ...@catchpole.net>
wrote:
Greggbert
Jan 11, 2008, 6:05:09 PM1/11/08
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Starting in 1984...
Basic
Logo
COBOL
EasyTrieve (4GL)
Focus (4GL)
Turbo Pascal
WANG VS Assembler (based on IBM 370 instruction set)
Turbo C
Turbo C++/Borland C++
dBase/FoxPro/Clipper (SET BUGS OFF :--)
PowerScript (PowerBuilder) - I had much more hair before this period
of my career
SQL (PL/SQL, Transact SQL)
Turbo Prolog
Delphi
Java
JavaScipt/HTML/CSS
Groovy - in process
Ruby - in process although Zed Shaw is now scaring the hell out of
me :--O
Sign Language - This one was cool. Years ago I was called in to do an
emergency update to a Holiday Inn's automated highway sign that was
controlled by an original IBM PC running sort of a domain specific
language specific for controlling the sign.
Basic
Logo
COBOL
EasyTrieve (4GL)
Focus (4GL)
Turbo Pascal
WANG VS Assembler (based on IBM 370 instruction set)
Turbo C
Turbo C++/Borland C++
dBase/FoxPro/Clipper (SET BUGS OFF :--)
PowerScript (PowerBuilder) - I had much more hair before this period
of my career
SQL (PL/SQL, Transact SQL)
Turbo Prolog
Delphi
Java
JavaScipt/HTML/CSS
Groovy - in process
Ruby - in process although Zed Shaw is now scaring the hell out of
me :--O
Sign Language - This one was cool. Years ago I was called in to do an
emergency update to a Holiday Inn's automated highway sign that was
controlled by an original IBM PC running sort of a domain specific
language specific for controlling the sign.
kibitzer
Jan 11, 2008, 7:05:35 PM1/11/08
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Basic
COBOL
(JCL I suppose)
LINC
WFL (more a language than JCL)
SQL (variants and variations aplenty)
some language beginning with "R" I can't remember right now
Visual Basic
PHP (not much)
Delphi (man, that was nice compared to VB)
Perl
HTML/CSS and related stuff
Java
...and, you know, a bunch of other bits and pieces as glue code --
maybe WIndows Batch, Bash, etc etc
Try this if you're having trouble remembering!!
http://www.levenez.com/lang/
Oh yeah! The language beginning with "R" was Rexx.
COBOL
(JCL I suppose)
LINC
WFL (more a language than JCL)
SQL (variants and variations aplenty)
some language beginning with "R" I can't remember right now
Visual Basic
PHP (not much)
Delphi (man, that was nice compared to VB)
Perl
HTML/CSS and related stuff
Java
...and, you know, a bunch of other bits and pieces as glue code --
maybe WIndows Batch, Bash, etc etc
Try this if you're having trouble remembering!!
http://www.levenez.com/lang/
Oh yeah! The language beginning with "R" was Rexx.
Viktor Klang
Jan 11, 2008, 7:10:42 PM1/11/08
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Jim Baker
Jan 11, 2008, 5:04:20 PM1/11/08
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It's fun thinking about this, especially how using a specific language
introduced me to an interesting concept:
Elementary School
Basic - procedural code, x can be x + 1 !!!
Junior High School
Z80 - underlying architecture
6502
TI calculator programming - integration, statistics, combining ultra
simple flow control with high-level functions
Forth - stack machine
Pilot - how to implement a simple language
Logo
6809
Fortran - column-orientation sucks
High School
PL/1 - recursion
Pascal - structured programming
C - pointers
College
Lisp - code = data
68000
C++ - object-orientation
*Lisp (Connection Machine) - parallelism
Lex, Yacc - DSLs, maybe for DSLs
ML - type inference
Perl - dynamic language
S-Plus
Post-College
SQL
Acumen 4GL - multidimensionality, similar to APL
Java - much better than C++
JavaScript - surprising legs
R
Prolog
Python - best of the bunch so far
Antlr
Ruby - not so bad
No doubt I've forgotten some here! (Of course, I have forgotten nearly
all of these languages, right now I'd claim fluency only in Java,
JavaScript, Python, and SQL.)
- Jim
introduced me to an interesting concept:
Elementary School
Basic - procedural code, x can be x + 1 !!!
Junior High School
Z80 - underlying architecture
6502
TI calculator programming - integration, statistics, combining ultra
simple flow control with high-level functions
Forth - stack machine
Pilot - how to implement a simple language
Logo
6809
Fortran - column-orientation sucks
High School
PL/1 - recursion
Pascal - structured programming
C - pointers
College
Lisp - code = data
68000
C++ - object-orientation
*Lisp (Connection Machine) - parallelism
Lex, Yacc - DSLs, maybe for DSLs
ML - type inference
Perl - dynamic language
S-Plus
Post-College
SQL
Acumen 4GL - multidimensionality, similar to APL
Java - much better than C++
JavaScript - surprising legs
R
Prolog
Python - best of the bunch so far
Antlr
Ruby - not so bad
No doubt I've forgotten some here! (Of course, I have forgotten nearly
all of these languages, right now I'd claim fluency only in Java,
JavaScript, Python, and SQL.)
- Jim
csar
Jan 12, 2008, 6:09:11 AM1/12/08
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Commodore Basic
6502 assembler
8080/Z80 assembler
Pascal
C
Sh
Modula-2
PL/SQL
Smalltalk
C++
Eiffel
Lisp (CLOS)
Tcl
Java
Ruby
Groovy
Scala
6502 assembler
8080/Z80 assembler
Pascal
C
Sh
Modula-2
PL/SQL
Smalltalk
C++
Eiffel
Lisp (CLOS)
Tcl
Java
Ruby
Groovy
Scala
Hamlet D'Arcy
Jan 24, 2008, 9:49:30 AM1/24/08
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There was a brief discussion of whether Logo was OO, procedural, or
functional on the show...
I'd like to point out 2 things:
1. Logo is a dialect of Lisp, so the answer is all depends on how you
use it
2. I _still_ love Logo.
In a few years I'm going to try introducing Logo to my daughter as a
first language...
functional on the show...
I'd like to point out 2 things:
1. Logo is a dialect of Lisp, so the answer is all depends on how you
use it
2. I _still_ love Logo.
In a few years I'm going to try introducing Logo to my daughter as a
first language...
Alexey Zinger
Jan 24, 2008, 7:23:54 PM1/24/08
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Hamlet D'Arcy <Haml...@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, I'd recommend English, but its type system is a little strange admittedly... ;)In a few years I'm going to try introducing Logo to my daughter as a
first language...
Alexey
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TBudiman
Jan 24, 2008, 10:05:21 PM1/24/08
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Basic (Basica, sometime around 1988)
Pascal
C
Assembler
Prolog
Mathematica
C++ (MFC and C++Builder)
Java *
SQL
PHP *
Python *
JavaScript
ActionScript
R
Ruby
* I'm currently most familiar with
Pascal
C
Assembler
Prolog
Mathematica
C++ (MFC and C++Builder)
Java *
SQL
PHP *
Python *
JavaScript
ActionScript
R
Ruby
* I'm currently most familiar with
sherod
Jan 24, 2008, 10:46:29 PM1/24/08
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GW-Basic
Modula-2
Oberon
Pascal
Lisp
Prolong
Smalltalk
C
C++
SQL (PL/SQL)
RTE
Perl
Java
PHP
Ruby
Javascript
I wouldn't say I remember half of them.... I think I might have to
seek therapy if I had to do Modula-2 again.
And sadly. I just don't get Lisp. *sigh*
Modula-2
Oberon
Pascal
Lisp
Prolong
Smalltalk
C
C++
SQL (PL/SQL)
RTE
Perl
Java
PHP
Ruby
Javascript
I wouldn't say I remember half of them.... I think I might have to
seek therapy if I had to do Modula-2 again.
And sadly. I just don't get Lisp. *sigh*
Viktor Tamás
Jan 25, 2008, 3:31:06 AM1/25/08
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Before high school:
ZX Spectrum Basic, C64 Basic
High school:
Atari Basic
Z80 assembly
College:
Standard Pascal
C, C++
6502 assembly
8080, 286 assembly
Smalltalk
Prolog, SML
SQL
Java
At work:
Delphi
JavaScript (& HTML, CSS)
Python
C# (incl. aspx)
XML (XSLT, XSD, XPath)
More java stuff (jsp, jsf)
Currently I working with Java.
ZX Spectrum Basic, C64 Basic
High school:
Atari Basic
Z80 assembly
College:
Standard Pascal
C, C++
6502 assembly
8080, 286 assembly
Smalltalk
Prolog, SML
SQL
Java
At work:
Delphi
JavaScript (& HTML, CSS)
Python
C# (incl. aspx)
XML (XSLT, XSD, XPath)
More java stuff (jsp, jsf)
Currently I working with Java.
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