Rimman's Kuala Lumpur & Klang Valley Street Directory 3rd Edition
sabre 2/3 tiger
Somebody was looking for this Rimman's Kuala Lumpur & Klang Valley
Street Directory 3rd Edition Fully Updated & Extra Coverage, some time
back.
Just like to point out it is now in the market, should be available at
your nearest MPH shop. I bought my copy at CDRama in BKR's shopping
complex, for RM39.
The Rimman Street Directory now includes Meru area, includes updated
KESAS, LDP, SPRINT highways. But it is still missing the SKVE that is
still under construction. Publication copyright indicates year 2000, but
I understand it was published early this year.
The area around my house in Taman Gembira, Klang has been updated,
though there are still some errors. But at least some not yet
constructed roads have been removed.
I'm not sure about whether Uncle's Yap house is already in, finally.
What was the road name again, Uncle?
I tried the http://www.rimman.com advertised on the map pages, but that
web site seems to be not found.
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David Baker
wrote:
>I tried the http://www.rimman.com advertised on the map pages, but that
>web site seems to be not found.
Try http://www.rimman.com.my but don't get too excited. :-)
I picked up a couple of copies about 4 or 5 weeks ago in the new
bookshop in Ampang Point. First time I've had to buy them as they have
now split with UBD so my contact that gave them to me for free is out
of the loop.
Dave
Yap Yok Foo
wrote:
>The Rimman Street Directory now includes Meru area, includes updated
>KESAS, LDP, SPRINT highways. But it is still missing the SKVE that is
>still under construction. Publication copyright indicates year 2000, but
>I understand it was published early this year.
>I'm not sure about whether Uncle's Yap house is already in, finally.
>What was the road name again, Uncle?
Jalan 11, United Garden
If this road is in the map, I will buy a copy
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David Baker
wrote:
>Jalan 11, United Garden
>If this road is in the map, I will buy a copy
Sorry, doesn't appear to be there. What you have as Jalan Shepadu is
listed as Jalan Sepadu, and what you have listed as Jalan Sekata is
listed as Jalan Sepadu 5 (at least this is first left). After that it
gets messy - there doesn't seem to be a 2nd right as Jalan Sepadu 5 is
very short & runs into Jalan Sepadu 6.
There is a "Jalan Tiga Belas" though, so presumably there should be a
Jalan 11 there somewhere - not listed or marked though. I'd fax you a
copy of the page(s) but I'm out of here tomorrow as usual.
They also have United Garden listed as Taman United. If I follow the
map literally taking each turn as per your map, it would put your
street in Taman Gembira where there is a big open space.
Dave
Yap Yok Foo
wrote:
>Sorry, doesn't appear to be there. What you have as Jalan Shepadu is
>listed as Jalan Sepadu, and what you have listed as Jalan Sekata is
>listed as Jalan Sepadu 5 (at least this is first left). After that it
>gets messy - there doesn't seem to be a 2nd right as Jalan Sepadu 5 is
>very short & runs into Jalan Sepadu 6.
>
Looks like I have save myself some money :-)
How can a road built more than 20 years ago not be listed?
sabre 2/3 tiger
> *@sabri.pc.my (sabre 2/3 tiger) wrote:
>> I tried the http://www.rimman.com advertised on the map pages, but that
>> web site seems to be not found.
> Try http://www.rimman.com.my but don't get too excited. :-)
Will try that, and also restrain my enthusiasm. ;-}
> I picked up a couple of copies about 4 or 5 weeks ago in the new
> bookshop in Ampang Point. First time I've had to buy them as they have
> now split with UBD so my contact that gave them to me for free is out
> of the loop.
UBD is still on the cover, though not on the spine as per 2nd edition.
On page 2, it is still shown as being produce and published in Malaysia
by Rimman International (subsidiary of Kumpulan AKZ) and UBD (division
of Universal Press Asia Pte Ltd). Printing by UPA Press Sdn Bhd.
Hmm ... Looks like Rimman still has some relationship with UBD.
Anyway, look at the clanger on Page 3. Kuala Lumper Rail Transit System.
BTW Dave, no ICQ for you?
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SianLun Lau
[is this an open invitation to your house, uncle yap?]
>Looks like I have save myself some money :-)
>How can a road built more than 20 years ago not be listed?
hmM~ just curious..
is your house, legal? ;)
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David Baker
wrote:
>Hmm ... Looks like Rimman still has some relationship with UBD.
Not sure what it is or whether it broke up after the printing, but I
miss my free copies now! :-)
>Anyway, look at the clanger on Page 3. Kuala Lumper Rail Transit System.
Have to show my ignorance here - I looked at it for about 10 minutes
but can't see anything wrong. :-) Which reminds me - I plan to take my
GPS & map them all properly one of these days, so you better tell what
the mistake is or I'll get lost!
>BTW Dave, no ICQ for you?
No, I used to have one, but I'm always changing computers so I never
installed it when I changed a while back. No idea what my number is
even...
Dave
Bushido
wrote:
>How can a road built more than 20 years ago not be listed?
" THEY " are pissed off with you and are wiping all traces of your
existence off the map.
Had any problems with your credit cards, ATM cards etc recently ?
Remember " Enemy of the state " ?
witra
>Street Directory 3rd Edition Fully Updated & Extra Coverage, some time
>back.
>
>Just like to point out it is now in the market, should be available at
>your nearest MPH shop. I bought my copy at CDRama in BKR's shopping
>complex, for RM39.
Thanks.
BTW: It's available at AAM as well. They're at Jalan Tun Razak, tel
03-2162 5777.
Tom Varghese
wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:02:38 +0800, *@sabri.pc.my (sabre 2/3 tiger)
>wrote:
>
>>Hmm ... Looks like Rimman still has some relationship with UBD.
>
>Not sure what it is or whether it broke up after the printing, but I
>miss my free copies now! :-)
>
>>Anyway, look at the clanger on Page 3. Kuala Lumper Rail Transit System.
>
>Have to show my ignorance here - I looked at it for about 10 minutes
>but can't see anything wrong. :-) Which reminds me - I plan to take my
>GPS & map them all properly one of these days, so you better tell what
>the mistake is or I'll get lost!
am thinking of doing the same with GPSS (www.gpss.co.uk)...a few souls
have already contributed maps of Msia.
Tom
sabre 2/3 tiger
>> Anyway, look at the clanger on Page 3. Kuala Lumper Rail Transit System.
> Have to show my ignorance here - I looked at it for about 10 minutes
> but can't see anything wrong. :-)
Ahem ... Kuala Lumper? Phonetic spelling? ;-}
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Eugene Kang
>
>On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:02:38 +0800, *@sabri.pc.my (sabre 2/3 tiger)
>wrote:
>
>>Hmm ... Looks like Rimman still has some relationship with UBD.
>
>Not sure what it is or whether it broke up after the printing, but I
>miss my free copies now! :-)
er.. do you remember how much the UBD maps in .au cost? Dymocks is
selling it for $38, I was wondering if it's really that expensive or
Dymocks is making more money... or if Sydney is more expensive. :)
Wanted to get the CD, but whoa, 42 bucks.. 8-|
David Baker
wrote:
>David Baker wrote:
>> but can't see anything wrong. :-) Which reminds me - I plan to take my
>> GPS & map them all properly one of these days, so you better tell what
>
>interesting. now that is an expedition i would love to join. game, dave ?
Sorry, just got back & am catching up on the newsgroups! Yes, I do
plan to map all these train routes - need to gather up some hardware
first...
Got back after a month away & find that the new elevated highway is
STILL not open - must be 5 or 6 weeks at least now. Still the same old
bullshit excuse that they can't decide on the tarrifs? Open the road
for free until it is decided? I sometimes wonder what Samy has under
that toupe of his...
Dave
Dinesh Nair
> Sorry, just got back & am catching up on the newsgroups! Yes, I do
> plan to map all these train routes - need to gather up some hardware
> first...
what sort of hardware ? gps units and the like ?
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David Baker
wrote:
>what sort of hardware ? gps units and the like ?
Yes, GPS units, and data loggers for some units that don't have it
built in.
Dave
Dinesh Nair
> Yes, GPS units, and data loggers for some units that don't have it
> built in.
cant these be replaced with a gps attachment (delorme et al) to a palm device ?
there're proggies which log datums either at fixed intervals or user based
clicks. you can then get a nice route pattern which could be overlayed on a map.
David Baker
wrote:
>cant these be replaced with a gps attachment (delorme et al) to a palm device ?
>there're proggies which log datums either at fixed intervals or user based
>clicks. you can then get a nice route pattern which could be overlayed on a map.
These consumer type devices are a bit limited - the Garmin GPS12 for
example only has 1024 point capability. To get decent data for putting
on a real map you would want to log data more often. Our units that we
use log at 1 second intervals minimum. Our data loggers also have
PCMCIA memory cards so that you can use them for quite a while before
they fill up, and when they are full you can just throw them into a
notebook & download the data.
Now that SA has been removed, you can get accuracy to better than 10
metres as long as your GPS antenna can get a decent view of the sky -
not always easy on a train, especially those with tinted windows. Some
of the tinting is metallic & GPS signals can't get through...
Dave
mn
David Baker <da...@baker.pc.my> wrote in message
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> Now that SA has been removed, you can get accuracy to better than 10
> metres as long as your GPS antenna can get a decent view of the sky -
> not always easy on a train, especially those with tinted windows. Some
> of the tinting is metallic & GPS signals can't get through...
the v-kool film on my car windows blocks gps signals altogether. pretty
potent stuff, huh? :-)
mn
David Baker
wrote:
>the v-kool film on my car windows blocks gps signals altogether. pretty
>potent stuff, huh? :-)
On cars you should be able to put the GPS antenna at the front
windscreen which shouldn't be tinted, and that normally works. Can't
do that on modern trains with all sealed windows though...
Dave
Dinesh Nair
> use log at 1 second intervals minimum. Our data loggers also have
> PCMCIA memory cards so that you can use them for quite a while before
how much flash do these cards hold ?
Tuckfook
unlimited number of plot points. 1 point per sec is no problem there.
I use Oziexplorer in a notebook with the whole KL scanned map. No problems
as I can always easily find out where I took the wrong turning ; )
The GPS used is a Lowrance GM100 which allows me to upload my own KL map
which enables me to use the GPS without the notebook. Not the best of
displays though, as it is small. The GM 100 allows up to 9000 trail points
and at 1 per sec. it works out to about 2.5 hours of travelling.
Tuckfook
"Dinesh Nair" <din...@alphaque.com> wrote in message
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David Baker
>The GPS used is a Lowrance GM100 which allows me to upload my own KL map
>which enables me to use the GPS without the notebook. Not the best of
>displays though, as it is small. The GM 100 allows up to 9000 trail points
>and at 1 per sec. it works out to about 2.5 hours of travelling.
2.5 hrs - our units go for 7 months! Actually that is only for 10
second updates - we monitor vessels in the North-West shelf of
Australia & the data loggers are in sealed boxes to ensure that the
vessels haven't strayed into the marine national park when doing their
seismic surveys. We collect about 5 MB of vessel updates per day on
average - zipped!
Normally we don't bother with displays when logging the data - we just
use small, accurate 12 channel GPS units with very small data loggers.
We don't see the positions on maps until we bring them back to the
office. For some applications we collect raw data using the mobile,
and raw data at a fixed location above the office, and post-process
differentially later on. These days it's not all that necessary unless
you want to see what lane you are in (which some people do).
What I really want is a 10" TFT SVGA display that can mount on the
dashboard of my car. Hook it into an industrial computer under the
seat & have a really impressive in-car navigation system!
(I'm sitting here at home watching a real-time map of a car currently
going from Kuantan to Singapore at the moment, being tracked with GSM
SMS & Inmarsat D. Both updating every 10 minutes, and looks like GSM
coverage is pretty good, even on the back roads going south from
Kuantan to meet the N-S highway half way between KL & JB.)
Dave
David Baker
wrote:
>David Baker wrote:
>> use log at 1 second intervals minimum. Our data loggers also have
>> PCMCIA memory cards so that you can use them for quite a while before
>
>how much flash do these cards hold ?
The biggest one we have is 128 MB. I mostly use 10 MB or 20 MB cards
as I have plenty of spares.
Dave
Ron Looi
wrote:
>On Fri, 2 Mar 2001 13:18:25 +0800, "Tuckfook" <aj...@tm.net.my> wrote:
>
>>The GPS used is a Lowrance GM100 which allows me to upload my own KL map
>>which enables me to use the GPS without the notebook. Not the best of
>>displays though, as it is small. The GM 100 allows up to 9000 trail points
>>and at 1 per sec. it works out to about 2.5 hours of travelling.
>
>2.5 hrs - our units go for 7 months! Actually that is only for 10
>second updates - we monitor vessels in the North-West shelf of
>Australia & the data loggers are in sealed boxes to ensure that the
>vessels haven't strayed into the marine national park when doing their
>seismic surveys. We collect about 5 MB of vessel updates per day on
>average - zipped!
Well, what Tuck Fook mentioned, the Global Map 100, is a recreational
category GPS unlike the professional grade equipment you guys have for
work :)
David Baker
wrote:
>Well, what Tuck Fook mentioned, the Global Map 100, is a recreational
>category GPS unlike the professional grade equipment you guys have for
>work :)
We do have plenty of professional units (mostly Novatel), used when we
move rigs onto new locations, etc. For vessel tracking we use pretty
normal units - either Trimble Placer 400 or Garmin GPS35/36. The
Placer allows "inverse differential" while the Garmin pumps out raw
data allowing post-processing. Both have differential inputs, but we
no longer use real-time differential since SA was removed.
Cheers,
Dave
Dinesh Nair
> The biggest one we have is 128 MB. I mostly use 10 MB or 20 MB cards
> as I have plenty of spares.
hmm, a palm with an xtra xtra pro card would give you about 10MB in memory, thru
judicious use of the flash formatter. but once it's filled up, that's it i
guess.
in terms of time/distance, how long would 10MB last ?
Tuckfook
positioned using Theodolites, shore based radio and undersea transponders.
Many parts of the North Sea oilfield were planted with undersea transponders
which were set using shore based microwave transmitters. With these now
antique systems, we were then able to locate well heads in 150+m of water,
100miles or more offshore. Bearing in mind, a well head is perhaps about
the size of a small truck or 4wd.
Of course we sometimes had to use side scan sonar to locate the head as
Kelvin Hughes surveyors often made very slight miscalculations. Sometimes,
we were spot on and the divers descended right on top of the head.
Wisdh I had my current GPS in those days ; )
Must be a piece of cake nowadays to locate well heads with GPS, DGPS etc.
It used to take a drill ship nearly a day to finish anchoring
satisfactorily, I suppose it'll take a couple of hours nowadays ?
Tuckfook.
"David Baker" <da...@baker.pc.my> wrote in message
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Jason Chue
>In the good old days when I was in the North Sea & Gulf, oil rigs were
>positioned using Theodolites, shore based radio and undersea transponders.
>
>Many parts of the North Sea oilfield were planted with undersea transponders
>which were set using shore based microwave transmitters. With these now
>antique systems, we were then able to locate well heads in 150+m of water,
>100miles or more offshore. Bearing in mind, a well head is perhaps about
>the size of a small truck or 4wd.
>
>Of course we sometimes had to use side scan sonar to locate the head as
>Kelvin Hughes surveyors often made very slight miscalculations. Sometimes,
>we were spot on and the divers descended right on top of the head.
>
>Wisdh I had my current GPS in those days ; )
>
>Must be a piece of cake nowadays to locate well heads with GPS, DGPS etc.
>
>It used to take a drill ship nearly a day to finish anchoring
>satisfactorily, I suppose it'll take a couple of hours nowadays ?
Wireline & Testing? Sedco? GeoQuest?
...jason
Ron Looi
wrote:
>data allowing post-processing. Both have differential inputs, but we
>no longer use real-time differential since SA was removed.
Any latest indication of post-SA GPS accuracy out in the open sea? You
have full view of the sky out there but probably no fixed locations to
compare unless you are on a stationary rig.
Tuckfook
tide as any current would pull it under water. Saved the waypoint using the
waypoint averaging method over 100 readings.
Converted the waypoint to map of the area using Ozi. Uploaded the map into
GM100
1 month later, went out to find the buoy, during near spring tides. First
approached area within 200m at10 knots, then 50m at less than 5 knots and
last 20m at dead slow, found the buoy, under water (flourescent red) about
2m, within 10m of waypoint. At slack tide, the buoy floated to the surface
and within a boat's length (5m) from the recorded waypoint.
Support from a notebook is very helpful but using the GM100 would only be
difficult as the screen is very small.
"Ron Looi" <teme...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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David Baker
wrote:
>in terms of time/distance, how long would 10MB last ?
Well, our strings are 66 bytes each, so 1024x1024x10/66=158875 seconds
= 44 hours at a 1 second logging rate (which you would need for decent
train/vehicle data to create maps).
Our flashcard data logging units don't compress, otherwise you could
fit more. We have them set to close the files & start new ones every 3
hours, so this adds in a bit of overhead.
Dave
David Baker
wrote:
>Any latest indication of post-SA GPS accuracy out in the open sea? You
>have full view of the sky out there but probably no fixed locations to
>compare unless you are on a stationary rig.
When we move a rig, a Russian company called Romona do the actual
survey side. Our company provides the Quality Control, so myself, or
one of my collegues go out there & basically supervise their work,
acting as a consultant to the client as the client (the oil company)
doesn't know enough about surveying to know whether the surveyors are
doing the job properly.
I check their hardware & software parameters to make sure all is ok.
They have a target with a 15 metre radius circle, and we MUST be
within that 15 metre tolerance at final location. For that they use
differential still. As well as checking all their equipment & being
quite familiar with the software they use, I also carry my own
independent GPS unit which has no corrections & isn't interfaced into
their system at all - giving us an independent confirmation. Most of
the time my stand-alone GPS is within 8 metres of their differentially
corrected position (which has a stated accuracy of 2 metres). So, I
think the stated accuracy now of 15 metres is easily achieved.
Sometimes we move the jackup rig on top of existing platforms so we
can do workovers or drill extra slots for them. On those occasions we
can test the system very accurately as the position of the platforms
is known down to sub-metre accuracy. A rig might seem like a good
place to get a clear view of the sky, but the rig I work on has legs
that are 100 metres high, so even when we are fully jacked up (legs
jacked down), there are still 20 metres of legs sticking in the air.
To top it off there are 3 cranes & a derrick to get in the way.
Dave
David Baker
>Many parts of the North Sea oilfield were planted with undersea transponders
>which were set using shore based microwave transmitters. With these now
>antique systems, we were then able to locate well heads in 150+m of water,
>100miles or more offshore. Bearing in mind, a well head is perhaps about
>the size of a small truck or 4wd.
What sort of microwave transmitters were you using 100 miles offshore?
I also started in the good old days before GPS - we used to use
Syledis for medium range, ARGO for long range, and Trisponder for
short range. We used Acoustics as well - Oceano initially (until I
lost them all on one job!), and Sonardyne after that. I started in the
survey business in 1988 & 1989 was my first GPS job. The receiver cost
US$250,000 & we had to use an external Rubidium oscillator in order to
get 4 hours coverage per day! Those GPS units weren't very good
(overheated) so we bought Trimbles after that for US$50,000 each. Now
I use US$150 Garmin units mostly!
>It used to take a drill ship nearly a day to finish anchoring
>satisfactorily, I suppose it'll take a couple of hours nowadays ?
No, still takes about that long, if not more. The water in the Gulf of
Thailand where I work now & in Trengganu where I used to work is only
80 metres deep, so running them for a semi-submersible takes about 8
hours & then pretensioning takes another 12 hours or more, depending
on whether the anchors slip (8 anchors for those who are wondering why
it takes so long). The rig I move most of the time now is a jackup, so
no anchors (most of the time), but preloading takes 24 hours, so no
time saved. The good thing is that the surveyors don't get involved in
preloading, so we can get some sleep!
Dave
Ron Looi
>I set a buoy in the open sea . It was designed to be only visible at slack
>tide as any current would pull it under water. Saved the waypoint using the
>waypoint averaging method over 100 readings.
Waypoint averaging really means nothing unless done over a very long
period of time. Ionosphere and atmospheric conditions do not change
much within short periods of time.
Depending on the depth of water, the 'swing' or drift of a bouy could
vary quite a bit with direction of tidal flow. I would rather consider
a fixed location.
My experiment on our roof top car park returned better than 10 meters
accuracy at least 90 % of the time but there is this huge hangar
building close by that could give me reflected signals.
Eugene Kang
>On Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:30:18 +0800, "Tuckfook" <aj...@tm.net.my> wrote:
>
>>I set a buoy in the open sea . It was designed to be only visible at slack
>>tide as any current would pull it under water. Saved the waypoint using the
>>waypoint averaging method over 100 readings.
[.....]
>My experiment on our roof top car park returned better than 10 meters
>accuracy at least 90 % of the time but there is this huge hangar
>building close by that could give me reflected signals.
How reliable are the EPE figures given by the gps unit? I usually
get an EPE of 4-6m, but sometimes it just doesn't seem accurate.
Tuckfook
> What sort of microwave transmitters were you using 100 miles offshore?
Don't know, I wasn't involved in survey, just the dive operations. I believe
they set up a whole load on transmitters on existing platforms thus creating
a network all the way out to sea. (Kelvin Hughes - if they still exist -
were the surveyors then.)
> No, still takes about that long, if not more. The water in the Gulf of
> Thailand where I work now & in Trengganu where I used to work is only
> 80 metres deep, so running them for a semi-submersible takes about 8
> hours & then pretensioning takes another 12 hours or more, >
Our company was usually paid by the day, so standing by for several days on
the rig was always welcome.
Was in the Gulf of Suez, when a jack-up & tender barge was engulfed by a
gas blow-out. Luckily no fire. Whole lot went down in less than 5 minutes.
Those were the days when the drillers were not as experienced and
Schlumberger mud technicians took more risks. Everyone took more risks for
that matter to make more money.
Tuckfook
David Baker
>Was in the Gulf of Suez, when a jack-up & tender barge was engulfed by a
>gas blow-out. Luckily no fire. Whole lot went down in less than 5 minutes.
>Those were the days when the drillers were not as experienced and
>Schlumberger mud technicians took more risks. Everyone took more risks for
>that matter to make more money.
Still happens I'm afraid. I was in the Esso field offshore Trengganu
when a drilling ship turned over in the Gulf of Thailand only 150
miles North - killed a few friends.
Dave