Fwd: Old and continuous issues

[seshadri seshadri]

Dear Residents

The mail which provoked COM AND FORCED THEM TO RESIGN ENMASS

IS FORWARDED FOR FOR CONSIDERATION OF FELLOW RESIDENTS.

INSTEAD OF A REPLY I WAS TOLD THAT IF I REFER THESE ISSUES AND IN CASE IF THERE IS A PROBLEM THE LIABILITY WOULD BE MINE.

I NEED FELLOW RESIDENTS TO READ MY MAIL CAREFULLY AND ON THE DATE OF MEETING VOICE FOR OR AGAINST.  I WOULD DEFINITELY RAISE THESE ISSUES. THIS IS NOTHING ABOUT THE COMMITTEE BUT PIT FALLS WHICH NEVER UNDERSTOOD BUT ONLY CRITICISED.

I TRUST AND HOPE FACTS OF THE CASE WOULD BE DECIDED BASED ON LAWS OF THE LAND.

REGARDS

THANKS

SESHADRI.  

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From: seshadri seshadri <indiras...@hotmail.com>
Date: 6 September 2017 at 6:05:05 AM IST
To: Maheswari <srim...@gmail.com>, "mah...@yahoo.com" <mah...@yahoo.com>, Govindan <vgvi...@gmail.com>
Subject: Old and continuous issues

Madam President,

I have conveyed that I will not post in Google Groups JARA. since I wanted to buy some time to impress that my mail was not understood and the abrupt action was due to instigation and refusal to understand facts. Another member was adamant to blow the situation out of control and create misunderstanding and to show his power over the committee
We had a lot of exchange, and I even thought of leaving all issues, but since no one stood up to say NO to the comments of another member.

This member called me a SADIST, which he  cannot prove, but it is evident that a SADIST alone can know about a SADIST.  Another comment about me by him
Barking dogs never bite.  Since every one were silent spectators let me say and show Barking dogs do bite when necessary.

Point No. 1. Regarding STP every year I have been raising the issue and have even posted a detailed account. My question at AGM was to please answer my question and  attend to the issues or permit me to go to TNPCB. My Govindan suggested that a committee of three members acceptable to both of us be formed and the issue be placed for their guidance.  When I raised it Mr. Govindan said that
this decision is not in the minutes and nothing could be done.  The logical conclusion is I can refer this issue to TNPCB and JARA has no objections.
I would refer this issue after a reasonable time of two months from today providing an opportunity for JARA to react.

Point No. 2
Regarding setting off expenses to Receipts, on painting charges.
I first said I do not have any doubts about the figures, but you are hiding something. Mr. Govindan reacted that he ignores the mail with contempt.
The instigator forced you all to resign en mass. This has thrown out certain issues which I would deal
Your report did not convey that as agreed JARA did not contribute RS. five lakhs to painting.
Your report did nor say actual expenditure on painting . Painting expenses were much more lower against projection, your report and accounts did not show Receipts on painting and expenditure on painting.  Your report did not say that there has been an over run on CCTV. Your report did not ask for approval for the overrun.
These money are adjusted outside the books by stating setting of expenses against Receipts. Am I wrong in asking. There was no question of questioning anyone's integrity. These figures were shown separately at the accounts in a corner.
If you have doubts about my reasoning I would address The Chartered Accountants Association enclosing annual report for their opinion.
By the by it seems no tax deduction at source from contractor and remittance of the same to Income tax department and whether service  charges were paid on painting as well CCTV is not known.
If you have any doubts on tax issues, I can refer Income tax and Central Excise.

There was an en mass resignation fixing ultimatum to take over etc etc and circulars requesting other members to contact me. The procedure is that you should call for an emergency extra ordinary General Body meeting and request them to accept your resignation and elect a new set of office bearers. Since the instigator knows only to instigate did not realise the consequences. I will address this issue to Registrar of societies and provide you with a detailed advise. Moreover no opportunity was provided to me to explain by issuing a notice.

Point No. 3
I have given you a circular during AGM that for  AOP income tax has to be deducted  from contractors and remit the same to Income tax.
In fact I insisted on a resolution in case if there is a tax liability with regard to
TDS the same would be paid by the committee of JARA and funds from JARA will not be used
I may be permitted to refer this issue also to concerned authorities

Point No. 4
Please permit me to raise the issue of crediting interest on Fixed Deposits by
IOB  and accepting form 15 A in spite of the ruling of Supreme Court, that apartment associations are no more an AOP. I would refer this issue to IOB Divisional office.

Point No. 5
I have handed over a book to Shri Govindan by Apartment ADDA in a closed cover which has answers for most of the points.  Unfortunately it seems the book has been misplaced. I am trying to get a copy but my efforts are in vain. This book has been written addressing all most all issues.

Point No. 6
First on the question of dog the honourable member, commentator, appreciator, and critic blew hot and cold . When I quoted AWB rules he changed and there is no bar on cats as pets. But there should be rules. On the other day when I was walking one cat of the many, jumped over me and I just managed. There is a dog in our apartment which has never seen sunlight whereas the cats are always roaming and causing immense nuisance
Probably you have to be a committee members to break rules. Cats are always on the common area and a lot diseases they spread say parasitic
Infections and viral infections whisk are considered as severe.

Point No. 6
Is the CCTV is for personal use.  Why not two TV be provided at IN and OUT gates so that activity be monitored by security. It raises doubts about the condition.

Point  NO. 7

Being a committee member never bestows unconstitutional authority by permitting their friends and relative to permit their vehicles inside as well break rules set by the committee. Stickers said to have been obtained were not distributed to vehicle owners

Point No. 8

Every year we just make a reference about commercial activity but skip it.
A commercial activity is an activity  is a contract written, unwritten or oral for a consideration, that results in money income or expenditure
By whatever way you interpret. No more explanation is needed . A reference to Registrar of societies can elicit correct inference.

Point No. 9

I have been voicing my opinion on terming cleaning charges as Salary.
After 240 days you have to deduct PF ESI etc as well leave. A reference to labour officer on this would through more light.

Point No. 10

One house has one vote and one voice.  There are instances of several voices
On an issue by one house.  This can be clarified by Registrar of Societies.

Point No. 11 JARA has agreed to follow up a post wherein even stray dogs should not be driven away.  There are around ten to fifteen dogs some with Oozing, blood from wounds loitering near SBI ATM causing immense worry to persons who stand for the bus to go for work, and children going to school.
I wrote a complaint, and if you need I may refer this to the municipality.

Point No. 12. Cleanliness  has become a bygone past with regard to JARA
Persons appointed talk too much and the resident could not even point out mistakes and they even threaten loyal house maids to avail holidays. I can only bring out
The state of affairs and nothing can be done by me.

Point No. 13. Every year AGM approves wages hike to security and it is necessary due to raising cost, but the level of performance becomes worse.

Point No. 14. What is the necessity for an extra security for the night?

Point No. 15.  Maintenance hiked on specific issues are not rolled back when such issue does not exist



Point  No. 16. Approach to INGATE and OUTGATE are blocked by bikes and cars by people who come down to More Super Market as well to SBI ATM. There is no effort to keep the passage clean.

This mail is long. As a resident and since no one raised comments
On another resident stating  Barking dogs never bite.  I have to prove they DO BITE AS AND WHEN NECESSARY. You may take your own time to discuss and analysis pros and cons. I would wait for two months and if I do not repeat do not get any response I would conclude that you permit me to do what I feel right. After November 6, 2017.
I am prepared for a discussion at time convenient to me along with my son.



I wonder the unity that could be forced by an instigator to resign en mass and trumpeted that Mr. Govindan never become President after his counters, whereas the truth is otherwise.  I am ready to face him since he is always for appreciation,  to a singular person where as the job is carried out by contractor utilising our money, and never permits others to point mistakes.

Thanks
Seshadri

PS
There could not be a threat like resigning en mass, to humiliate me, whereas I am right
And would definitely refer, issues to concerned authorities. Even marking a copy of this mail to concerned, is just enough and can bring out facts. There has been a constant and persistent approach stating that I that Seshadri alone is raising it but conveniently forget Mr. Gopalakrishnan and Mr. Mohanraj. I would request you to post this mail in Goggle Groups so that some veterans who advocated removing me from the group understand about the issues raised. Let them not think I have no other work. I made out a complete list of job specifications for each and every activity and this was simply filed.Before concluding I would like to place on records the courageous act of saving a child by Shrimati Maheswari's son sometime back I would also would like to ensu

[J.Nagarajan]

My dear friend,

 

I am also a flat owner in Jaihind apartment. I am also going through all mails. But do not want commend on anybody.

 

My understanding of the ongoing problem is since committee could not solve some problem raised by member due to some constrain, probably the problem could have been an inherent problem.  The member can tell I can go to do any level this is not a threat,  where as if the committee tells we will resign en-mass it is a threat and humiliating individual. All will understand the problems of running the housing association.

 

Finally only one Thirukural : it is easy to talk but following / doing the same is not easy.

 

Please this mail is also not to humiliate anyone but to support the committee for their tireless contribution.

 

Thanking you

J.NAGARAJAN

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[seshadri seshadri]

Dear Shri Nagarajan
You would kindly not that I have been for a number years raising the subject of air emissions from our STP. I have proved thro literature the conterminous nature of these emissions. I have worked in a distillery and the issue is identical for 18 years along with our Shri V Balakrishnan.
What I wanted is even our sewage has a stack for every six houses and a stack is necessary.
UV enterprises our past contractor recommended a stack
COM approved to erect a stack
But Sri Govindan VETOED it after a long time but agreed at the meeting.
The new contractor also has suggested to provide a stack.
During last year AGM Sri Govindan came out with a formula and this issue will be referred to three people who are acceptable to both and I agreed.
When I raised it latter he said it does form part of minutes of meeting.

TDS from contractors is a must and we are not following the act. At some time if this was found out, we may be fined, and interest charged on daily basis.
This tax has nothing to do with association but has to be deducted and remitted to government. There could be a huge burden and omissions of COM
When it is lakhs of rupees cannot be a part of Association expenses and I repeated said myself house number 89 and my son’s house 103 will not share the expenses.

They could asked me for a discussion, and there are certain contagious issues. I for one want to pay all dues to the Government properly and would not like to shield those things.

Here we differ and I am leaving it to AGM but want to protect myself and my son from any monetary commitment
Painting charges quoted and More are less accepted was the basis and COM agreed to pay five lakhs and 13000 per house.
The quote was brought down considerably by NIPPON and there by the association did not contribute their agreed share of five lakhs but collected 13000 from each house, which is five thousand rupees extra from each house.
So the history of threat started.
EN MASS resignation is not permitted by Societies act, they should call
Extra ordinary general body meeting and hand over charge.

These are main contentions. I leave it to HIM
Regards
Thanks
Seshadri .

[seshadri seshadri]

Dear Shri Nagarajan,
Sorry
There is an omission. This fact was not reported in Annual report, hence I raised it
Regards
Thanks
Seshadri

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[seshadri seshadri]

Dear Sir,
I am happy you have accepted my challenge. I have raised several points
In my letter and JARA COM submitted their resignation EN MASS.
I WOULD LIKE JARA COM TO ACCEPT ALL ISSUES FOR REFERENCE FOR THEIR CORRECTNESS AND ALSO CONFIRM LIABILITY WILL NOT BE ON ME
AND IF PROVED CORRECT LIABILITY WOULD BE ON JARA COM AND IF I FAIL TO PROVE SHALL PROVIDE A WRITTEN APOLOGY AND ACCEPT A TOTAL FINE OF RS. TEN THOUSAND.
PEASE MEAL REFERENCES WILL NOT WORK.
PLEASE PASS A RESOLUTION IN ENSUING AGM AND AGREE TO PROVIDE ME DETAILS REQUIRED, INSPECTION OF BOOKS AND STP SITE ETC.
EVEN THOUGH I HAVE LOT OF REGARDS FOR YOU AS A LEARNED AND KNOWLEDGABLE PERSON , ON INDIVIDUAL AND COOPTED MEMBER ACCEPTING CHALLENGE CANNOT PROCEED WITHOUT FIXING LIABILITY. I THINK I AM RIGHT.
THE RESOLUTION CAN BE FROM JARA COM
REGARDS
THANKS
SESHADRI


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