English names in Japanese
Philip Ronan
I've just added a dictionary of English names in Japanese to my website.
Perhaps some of you might find it useful.
Take a look: http://www.japanesetranslator.co.uk/your-name-in-japanese/
Phil
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Paul Blay
>
> I've just added a dictionary of English names in Japanese to my website.
> Perhaps some of you might find it useful.
Not me.
> Take a look: http://www.japanesetranslator.co.uk/your-name-in-japanese/
But I was impressed with 春夏冬二弁五合, how on Earth did you track that
down? ^^;
Louise Bremner
> I've just added a dictionary of English names in Japanese to my website.
> Perhaps some of you might find it useful.
Or prehaps not--I loathe that forced mispronunciation....
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Philip Ronan
I think it involved a lot of late-night coffee and nicotine gum!
jim_...@hotmail.com
>I've just added a dictionary of English names in Japanese to my website.
>Perhaps some of you might find it useful.
Quite nice. I have added a link to it from my page at:
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjnames2.html
--
Jim Breen http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/
Computer Science & Software Engineering,
Monash University, VIC 3800, Australia
ジム・ブリーン@モナシュ大学
Samnikal
Why is Alexander アレクサンダー and Alexandre アレクサンドル? Are there any
pronunciation differences in English?
Why is Nikita 二キータ and not ニキタ?
And finally why is Olga オルガ and not オリガ?
Nikita
Philip Ronan
Names like this are pronounced in all sorts of different ways, so it's
impossible to give a definitive answer (I think I mention this in the
disclaimer at the bottom of the page). For example:
<http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Alexandre+pronounced+OR+%22rhymes+with%22>
<http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nikita+pronounced+OR+%22rhymes+with%22>
Olga becomes オルガ because an L without a following vowel is normally
expressed as ル in Japanese. Especially when representing the English
pronunciation of the name. (This is after all a dictionary of _English_
names in Japanese.)
The pronunciation オリガ seems to be much less common in any case. At
google.co.jp I got 929 hits for Olga+オルガ and only 100 for Olga+オリガ.
I hope that explains everything :-)
Philip Ronan
> Apud Philip Ronan <phil.r...@virgin.net> (sci.lang.japan) hoc legimus:
>> I've just added a dictionary of English names in Japanese to my website.
>> Perhaps some of you might find it useful.
>
>> Take a look: http://www.japanesetranslator.co.uk/your-name-in-japanese/
>
> Quite nice. I have added a link to it from my page at:
> http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/wwwjnames2.html
Thanks, Jim!
Samnikal
> <http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nikita+pronounced+OR+%22rhymes+with%22>
As for Nikita (which my name), I am 100% sure that it is pronounced as ニキ
タ and never 二キータ. It's Russian, so they write NI-KEE-TA only because
they don't know that for stresses in Russian words acute accents are used.
Saying 二キータ is quite offensive (any prolonged vowels in names are
cosidered rude in Russian). That was why I decided to post it.
> The pronunciation オリガ seems to be much less common in any case. At
> google.co.jp I got 929 hits for Olga+オルガ and only 100 for Olga+オリガ.
As for Olga, if it is a Russian name, it should sound as オリガ. But you are
right, if you can't stretch your dictionary to a dozen of languages. :)
Paul Blay
>
> > <http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nikita+pronounced+OR+%22rhymes+with%22>
>
> As for Nikita (which my name), I am 100% sure that it is pronounced as ニキ
> タ and never 二キータ.
I'm very rarely 100% sure about anything.
> It's Russian,
Except when it's Hindu.
Any other offers?
Cindy
>><http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nikita+pronounced+OR+%22rhymes+with%22>
>
>
> As for Nikita (which my name), I am 100% sure that it is pronounced as ニキ
> タ and never 二キータ. It's Russian, so they write NI-KEE-TA only because
> they don't know that for stresses in Russian words acute accents are used.
> Saying 二キータ is quite offensive (any prolonged vowels in names are
> cosidered rude in Russian). That was why I decided to post it.
Are you telling the Japanese people 「二キタと呼んでください。二キータで
はありません。二キタのキをキーとのばすのはロシア語では失礼な行為です。」?
Do these names sound rude to you?
えいこ
けいこ
めいこ
れいこ
ようこ
Paul Blay
> Samnikal wrote:
> >><http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nikita+pronounced+OR+%22rhymes+with%22>
> >
> >
> > As for Nikita (which my name), I am 100% sure that it is pronounced as ニキ
> > タ and never 二キータ. It's Russian, so they write NI-KEE-TA only because
> > they don't know that for stresses in Russian words acute accents are used.
> > Saying 二キータ is quite offensive (any prolonged vowels in names are
> > cosidered rude in Russian). That was why I decided to post it.
>
> Are you telling the Japanese people
ロナンさんに向かったでしょう。
> 「二キタと呼んでください。二キータで
> はありません。二キタのキをキーとのばすのはロシア語では失礼な行為です。」?
>
> Do these names sound rude to you?
>
> えいこ
> けいこ
> めいこ
> れいこ
> ようこ
全部日本のじゃん！
Philip Ronan
> "Cindy" wrote ...
>> Samnikal wrote:
>>>> <http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nikita+pronounced+OR+%22rhymes+with%22>
>>>
>>>
>>> As for Nikita (which my name), I am 100% sure that it is pronounced as ニキ
>>> タ and never 二キータ. It's Russian, so they write NI-KEE-TA only because
>>> they don't know that for stresses in Russian words acute accents are used.
>>> Saying 二キータ is quite offensive (any prolonged vowels in names are
>>> cosidered rude in Russian). That was why I decided to post it.
>>
>> Are you telling the Japanese people
>
> ロナンさんに向かったでしょう。
Actually it's ローナン :-)
Samnikal: In the English-speaking world, there are lots of people called
Nikita who pronounce it ニキータ. Most of them are not Russian (or Greek, or
Hindu for that matter). I have never heard the name pronounced ニキタ. I'm
sorry if you find this offensive. I daresay the way I pronounce my own name
would sound very strange to someone from Greece, even though it originates
from Greek. Are you expecting me to put a large banner across the top of the
page warning Russian visitors that the contents may offend?
Cindy
> "Cindy" wrote ...
>
>>Samnikal wrote:
>>
>>>><http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nikita+pronounced+OR+%22rhymes+with%22>
>>>
>>>
>>>As for Nikita (which my name), I am 100% sure that it is pronounced as ニキ
>>>タ and never 二キータ. It's Russian, so they write NI-KEE-TA only because
>>>they don't know that for stresses in Russian words acute accents are used.
>>>Saying 二キータ is quite offensive (any prolonged vowels in names are
>>>cosidered rude in Russian). That was why I decided to post it.
>>
>>Are you telling the Japanese people
>
>
> ロナンさんに向かったでしょう。
え？ もしもし？
>>「二キタと呼んでください。二キータで
>>はありません。二キタのキをキーとのばすのはロシア語では失礼な行為です。」?
>>
>>Do these names sound rude to you?
>>
>>えいこ
>>けいこ
>>めいこ
>>れいこ
>>ようこ
>
>
> 全部日本のじゃん！
あのね、私がまだ子供の頃、「ポール」と言ったらあるとんでもないものだった
んですよ。さて、何だったでしょう。
Cindy
> Samnikal: In the English-speaking world, there are lots of people called
> Nikita who pronounce it ニキータ. Most of them are not Russian (or Greek, or
> Hindu for that matter). I have never heard the name pronounced ニキタ.
Do you know this song?
春がきた
春がきた
どこニキタ
山ニキタ
里ニキタ
野にもきた
> I'm
> sorry if you find this offensive. I daresay the way I pronounce my own name
> would sound very strange to someone from Greece, even though it originates
> from Greek. Are you expecting me to put a large banner across the top of the
> page warning Russian visitors that the contents may offend?
I have met quite a few Russian people. I have an impression that they
are in the highly intelligent side comparing to other ethnic groups. I
can hardly believe that they would take personal and get upset when a
non-native mispronounces Russian names. I would have been dead a long
time ago. But Nikita must be an exception. Hey, when I see the
students from Russia again, now I have something to talk about --
Nikita! "There was a girl whose name was Nikita. She was offended
because the Japanese could not call her in a legitimate Russian way ...
... So, if I decide to offend you, I should prolong the vowels of your
name?"
Paul Blay
> On 04.5.22 5:43 PM, Paul Blay wrote:
> > ロナンさんに向かったでしょう。
>
> Actually it's ローナン :-)
Well I didn't want to be offensive.
- ポル ブレ
rose
Cindy wrote:
>
> あのね、私がまだ子供の頃、「ポール」と言ったらあるとんでもないものだった
> んですよ。さて、何だったでしょう。
♪ひっとかけ にっこすり サンポ～ル♪
＃思いついただけ
□■ <:３ ）～
■楽猫 <:３ ）～
Cindy
>
> Cindy wrote:
>
>>あのね、私がまだ子供の頃、「ポール」と言ったらあるとんでもないものだった
>>んですよ。さて、何だったでしょう。
>
>
> ♪ひっとかけ にっこすり サンポ～ル♪
>
> ＃思いついただけ
それはまだかわいい！
ある人によるとですね、ビートルズの「ヘルプ！」（映画です。詳しくは
http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ms538596/help.html )でですね、ポールが小さく
なる注射を受けて親指ほどのサイズになってしまったり、元に戻ったりする場面
があります。この映画を見たファンが帰りの電車の中でその場面の話を友達とし
ていました。「ポールがちっちゃくなったり、大きくなったりして・・・どうの
こうの」そしたら、むかいのシートに座っていたおじさんに、「はしたない」と
怒られて、ぶん殴られたそうです。さあ、どうしてでしょう？
necoandjeff
news:c8o472$bf5$1$830f...@news.demon.co.uk...
ポル無礼
jim_...@hotmail.com
>Why is Alexander アレクサンダー and Alexandre アレクサンドル? Are there any
>pronunciation differences in English?
Well, those katakana versions are derived from the English pronunciations
of Alexander and Alexandre, and yes, they are different in English.
>Why is Nikita 二キータ and not ニキタ?
>And finally why is Olga オルガ and not オリガ?
Because that's the way they are in English. When it comes to loanwords
in Japanese, they tend to arrive via English these days. In fact many
Japanese assume a loanword *is* English, which can lead to confusion
when they try and recycle it in English. アベック comes to mind.
Samnikal
> Do these names sound rude to you?
>
> えいこ
> けいこ
> めいこ
> れいこ
> ようこ
They are unusual to a Russian (evidently), but if there was a name like Yoko
in Russian, the girl could get quite thwarted to hear ヨーコ.
The funniest thing I've heard in this field that some tend to make Valentina
バーレーンッチーナー. She is a staff member of a 旅行会社 in my town and I
saw it in a brochure. I can bet she has not heard how it's pronounced.
Samnikal
> I have met quite a few Russian people. I have an impression that they
> are in the highly intelligent side comparing to other ethnic groups. I
> can hardly believe that they would take personal and get upset when a
> non-native mispronounces Russian names. I would have been dead a long
> time ago. But Nikita must be an exception. Hey, when I see the
> students from Russia again, now I have something to talk about --
> Nikita! "There was a girl whose name was Nikita. She was offended
> because the Japanese could not call her in a legitimate Russian way ...
But Nikita in Russia is never a girl's name! Only the most extraordinary can
name their female child Nikita. But conversation would have been a funny
one. :) Maybe in French, someone would say "La Femme Nikita" or something
else, but in Russia it's only a boy's name.
> ... So, if I decide to offend you, I should prolong the vowels of your
> name?"
Yeah, it is in fact quite difficult to pronounce the name prolonged and not
in a humiliating way.
And, yes, decidedly, the well-bred will always keep silent, but I think it
is very important for some people to know how to avoid giving a wrong
impression about themselves.
Samnikal
the
> page warning Russian visitors that the contents may offend?
No, I am awfully sorry for such a stupid posting, ローナンさん.
Samnikal
> are in the highly intelligent side comparing to other ethnic groups.
Which comes apparent in the ports of Niigata, Toyama, and Hakodate. If you
should ever come to any of the ports, don't miss a chance to meet
"intelligent" Russians. 人々は色々な人からなるでしょう。ロシア人は例外ではな
いでしょう。
rose
Cindy wrote:
>
> ある人によるとですね、ビートルズの「ヘルプ！」（映画です。詳しくは
> http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ms538596/help.html )でですね、ポールが小さく
> なる注射を受けて親指ほどのサイズになってしまったり、元に戻ったりする場面
> があります。この映画を見たファンが帰りの電車の中でその場面の話を友達とし
> ていました。「ポールがちっちゃくなったり、大きくなったりして・・・どうの
> こうの」そしたら、むかいのシートに座っていたおじさんに、「はしたない」と
> 怒られて、ぶん殴られたそうです。さあ、どうしてでしょう？
おぢさんがストロベリーフィールドの最中だったから。（謎
□■ <:３ ）～
■楽猫 <:３ ）～
Cindy
なんだかそれじゃあ天気予報みたいじゃありませんか。
いろいろな人々から民族ができています。または、民族はいろいろな人々から成
り立っています。ロシア民族も例外ではありません。
てなとこですね。
Cindy
おぢさんはポールの意味を完全に誤解していたのだ。さて、何て？
necoandjeff
news:7J5sc.100443$iF6.9324094@attbi_s02...
Cindy, we get it already.
Cindy
> Cindy, we get it already.
Who's we?
necoandjeff
> necoandjeff wrote:
>
> > Cindy, we get it already.
>
> Who's we?
Every native speaker of English (and perhaps even some non-native speakers)
reading this thread.
Cindy
まゆつばものですな
Otsuka Katsumi
> > Cindy, we get it already.
>
> Who's we?
あなた以外のほとんどの人です。
ここを見ている方の多くは紳士なので、「さお」のことだと判っていても
あえて書いていないだけのことです。
英俗語にもちゃんとその意味はあるようですし。
--
おおつか かつみ
e-mail:ot...@kajima.com
Otsuka Katsumi
> > Every native speaker of English (and perhaps even some non-native speakers)
> > reading this thread.
> >
>
> まゆつばものですな
スラングの載っている英和辞書、例えば英辞郎
でpoleを検索して見れば、一目瞭然だと思いますが。
それとも、あなたしか知らないとんでもない意味があるのですか？
Cindy
> Cindy wrote:
>
>
>>>Cindy, we get it already.
>>
>>Who's we?
>
>
> あなた以外のほとんどの人です。
> ここを見ている方の多くは紳士なので、「さお」のことだと判っていても
> あえて書いていないだけのことです。
そうですか。 紳士だから判っていてもあえて書かないのですか。 それは驚き
ました。 よく憶えておきます。
> 英俗語にもちゃんとその意味はあるようですし。
私は知りませんが、どんなスラングでしょうか？
the.sentinel
<jim_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2hal9qF...@uni-berlin.de...
> Apud Samnikal <samn...@rol.ru> (sci.lang.japan) hoc legimus:
> >Why is Alexander アレクサンダー and Alexandre アレクサンドル? Are there any
> >pronunciation differences in English?
>
my take on it is much of the way words are pronounced are similar to other
languages besides English and there is a difference. in English you would
end both those names with a "der" sound. i know portuguese and have seen
noticed some similarities with Japanese, especially with vowels and general
pronunciation. we also use "ne" and "e", don't know whether it's a
coincedence or not.
Alexandre ... the "dre" i think would sound something like "dureh"while the
"der" ( and i have no idea how to write phonetically how an "r" sounds but
you sort of make the sound with your tongue lightly scraping the roof of
your mouth close to your upper teeth. i don't like Romanji very much because
many times i don't think the way the words are spelled really help pronounce
the word properly. I write it differently where many things are discarded
because something can be written much more simply knowing a Latin based
language. I know this doesn't help people if they ever only knew English, i
do it for me though ) i think "der" would probably sound like "deh" but
shorter and killing the "r".
that's my take on it, maybe i'm wrong.
cheers.
Louise Bremner
by people with munged addresses who don't notice other munged
addresses....
But what encoding did you use? Yahoo scrambles it....
________________________________________________________________________
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If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Paul Blay
> While cleaning out my spamtrap, I once again experienced the fun induced
> by people with munged addresses who don't notice other munged
> addresses....
>
> But what encoding did you use? Yahoo scrambles it....
何のこと？
もしかして、メールのつもりだったんでしょう。
Guus Veldhuis
the name Gus.
If I use that and add the middle letter double is that clear for the
Japanese people.?
Nice program, but why use pictures instead of real letters?
--
Bye Guus
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http://zapfoto.dse.nl/ E-mail gu...@dse.nl
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http://www.blurryimage.com/user/zapguz
"Philip Ronan" <phil.r...@virgin.net> schreef in bericht
news:BCD39B20.1CF2E%phil.r...@virgin.net...
> Hi,
>
> I've just added a dictionary of English names in Japanese to my website.
> Perhaps some of you might find it useful.
>
> Take a look: http://www.japanesetranslator.co.uk/your-name-in-japanese/
Pieter Mioch
ヒュース
(hyu-su)
is het dichstbij de nl uitspraak
pieter
"Guus Veldhuis" <gu...@dse.nl> wrote in message
news:2o17ojF...@uni-berlin.de...
Kevin Gowen
> ヒュース
> (hyu-su)
>
> is het dichstbij de nl uitspraak
>
> pieter
BWAHAHA! He's talking baby talk!
- Kevin
Sean Holland
pmi...@ZZTOPma.ccnw.ne.jp wrote on 8/12/04 8:12 AM:
>
> ヒュース
> (hyu-su)
>
> is het dichstbij de nl uitspraak
>
> pieter
>
Perfect. This provides an opportunity to become yet more cryptic.
---
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Kevin Wayne Williams
> Pieter Mioch wrote:
>
>>ヒュース
>>(hyu-su)
>>
>>is het dichstbij de nl uitspraak
>
> Perfect. This provides an opportunity to become yet more cryptic.
That isn't Cryptic, it's Dutch. And I think incorrect Dutch, because I
don't know any language where Guus whould become ヒュース. Perhaps I am
ヒュー today, though.
KWW
Aki Moilanen
> That isn't Cryptic, it's Dutch. And I think incorrect Dutch, because I
> don't know any language where Guus whould become ヒュース. Perhaps I am
> ヒュー today, though.
It's probably the closest you can get with katakana, as Guus is
usually either [Qy:s] or [xy:s] (Kirshenbaum / voiced or unvoiced
velar fricative). Correct me if I'm wrong.
--
Aki Moilanen
Don Kirkman
article <10hn49g...@news.supernews.com>:
>Sean Holland wrote:
>> Pieter Mioch wrote:
>>>ヒュース
>>>(hyu-su)
>>>is het dichstbij de nl uitspraak
"(hyu-su) is close to [the] Nederlandische pronunciation."
" G - Pronounce like Spanish J in Jose or 'kh' if you are familiar with
phonetics"
http://www.gnomjas.nl/html/dutch/spellingandpronunciation/4.html
>> Perfect. This provides an opportunity to become yet more cryptic.
>That isn't Cryptic, it's Dutch. And I think incorrect Dutch, because I
>don't know any language where Guus whould become ヒュース. Perhaps I am
>ヒュー today, though.
My guess would be that Pieter knows more Dutch than the riest of us puit
togeeder.
--
Don
Old age is when you start saying "I wish I knew now what I knew then."
健太郎
>Hello, my name is Guus, from the Netherlands and I saw in your translation
>the name Gus.
>If I use that and add the middle letter double is that clear for the
>Japanese people.?
>Nice program, but why use pictures instead of real letters?
>
>--
>Bye Guus
>
ヒュース・フェルトハイス
Before we Japanese made friends with German and Italian people
during W.W. times, Dutch was our only friend for a period, who taught
us so many things. Why don't we know how to pronounce their names?
Cheers,
＿＿＿＿＿＿＿
kentaro＠tokyo
Sean Holland
spamb...@covad.net wrote on 8/12/04 3:06 PM:
My Dad's nickname was "Dutch." That haas to guive me some qualifications.
robert
> BWAHAHA! He's talking baby talk!
>
> - Kevin
Behold! The native English speaker has discovered yet another strange
language! That makes... 2 now? Or were you imitating Homer Simpson?
muchan
>
> ヒュース・フェルトハイス
>
>
> Before we Japanese made friends with German and Italian people
> during W.W. times, Dutch was our only friend for a period, who taught
> us so many things. Why don't we know how to pronounce their names?
>
You omit the long era where the British was the best friend of Japanese...
muchan
健太郎
>You omit the long era where the British was the best friend of Japanese...
>
Really??
Unequality does not exists between the best friends.
Historically speaking, i don't like Brits so much anyway.
>
>muchan
＿＿＿＿＿＿＿
kentaro＠tokyo
健太郎
>You omit the long era where the British was the best friend of Japanese...
>
Really??
Unequality does not exist between the best friends.