Kaworu created from Ritsuko?
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
theory' that Kaworu was somehow created from Ritsuko (IIRC they say
something about 'in the same way that Rei was created', so I assume
that they're talking about using Ritsu's DNA)
I realise that its probably just a bullshit theory that some crackpot
pulled out of thin air and proposed on a messageboard that Amanda
Winn-Lee happened to be reading, but does ANYONE have any clue
whatsoever as to where this idea came from and what it was based on?
I have watched the series in its entirity over the last couple of days
with this in mind and I cannot find a single piece of evidence that
even *hints* that Kaworu has any relationship with Ritsuko whatsoever.
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Daniel Rudy
listened as Psaiyan Prince Vegeta spoke these words of wisdom...:
> On the EoE DVD commentary track there is a reference made to a 'fan
> theory' that Kaworu was somehow created from Ritsuko (IIRC they say
> something about 'in the same way that Rei was created', so I assume
> that they're talking about using Ritsu's DNA)
>
> I realise that its probably just a bullshit theory that some crackpot
> pulled out of thin air and proposed on a messageboard that Amanda
> Winn-Lee happened to be reading, but does ANYONE have any clue
> whatsoever as to where this idea came from and what it was based on?
>
> I have watched the series in its entirity over the last couple of days
> with this in mind and I cannot find a single piece of evidence that
> even *hints* that Kaworu has any relationship with Ritsuko whatsoever.
You are absolutely correct. Kaworu could be considered Rei's brother,
but in fact, Rei is a clone while Kaworu is not. They even look alike.
The person who stated that fact is just talking nonsense.
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Adrian Martin
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> You are absolutely correct. Kaworu could be considered Rei's brother,
> but in fact, Rei is a clone while Kaworu is not. They even look alike.
> The person who stated that fact is just talking nonsense.
For some reason, to me he and Haruko from FLCL look alike. I mean, make
Kaworu a girl, change his hair and eye color, and you got Haruko. Kinda
like Shinji looking like Nadia, I guess.
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zedizdead
that is spouted by AWL and her cohorts in the Audio Commentary.
(Other infamous drivel put forth includes the idiot theory that the
Asuka we see at the end of EoE is really an amalgm of Asuka, Rei, and
Misato; Shinji's 'perfect woman'.)
There is no connection at all between Kaworu and Ritsuko; whoever came
up with that one just pulled it out of their ass. I've seen a theory
posited that Kaworu is a clone of Keel Lorenz, there's no real support
for that idea, but it makes more sense than the nonsense about
Ritsuko...
Vaughn L.Porter
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> Daniel Rudy <dcr...@invalid.pacbell.nospam.net.0123456789> wrote in
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> > You are absolutely correct. Kaworu could be considered Rei's brother,
> > but in fact, Rei is a clone while Kaworu is not. They even look alike.
> > The person who stated that fact is just talking nonsense.
>
> For some reason, to me he and Haruko from FLCL look alike. I mean, make
> Kaworu a girl, change his hair and eye color, and you got Haruko. Kinda
> like Shinji looking like Nadia, I guess.
>
> --
> -Adrian
What, does Sadamoto have a set of stock character designs he then modifies
for each series? That does explain why I felt a similarity between Asuka,
Mamimi and Yukino. But then, how do you explain Mahoro?
Vaughn L.Porter
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> Psaiyan Prince Vegeta <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote in message news:<fed5lvcbqj6unhpkk...@4ax.com>...
> I've seen a theory
> posited that Kaworu is a clone of Keel Lorenz, there's no real support
> for that idea, but it makes more sense than the nonsense about
> Ritsuko...
Man.. there's something to put the fan girls into a dilemma!
on one hand a theory like this puts thoughts into one's mind of Keel
being very bishounen in his much younger years.
on the other hand a theory like this presents the thought of Kaworu
becoming an ugly old bastard and completely losing his bishounen-ness.
on the HORROR
D B Malmquist
Also, for Yukino Miyazawa -
Character Design:
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Teishi Hiramatsu
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goat
> You are absolutely correct. Kaworu could be considered Rei's brother,
> but in fact, Rei is a clone while Kaworu is not. They even look alike.
> The person who stated that fact is just talking nonsense.
Can you even make a male clone from a female donor? I'm not totally sure how
it works, but I don't think you can do that.
Jose Diaz
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> Psaiyan Prince Vegeta <ppve...@hotmail.communism> wrote in message
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> > On the EoE DVD commentary track there is a reference made to a 'fan
> > theory' that Kaworu was somehow created from Ritsuko (IIRC they say
> > something about 'in the same way that Rei was created', so I assume
> > that they're talking about using Ritsu's DNA)
> >
> > I realise that its probably just a bullshit theory that some crackpot
> > pulled out of thin air and proposed on a messageboard that Amanda
> > Winn-Lee happened to be reading, but does ANYONE have any clue
> > whatsoever as to where this idea came from and what it was based on?
> That theory is just the looniest of a whole bunch of complete nonsense
> that is spouted by AWL and her cohorts in the Audio Commentary.
You'd think that when putting together a "running commentary" of a movie
they'd sit down and get their heads together at what they want to leave for
posterity, and write a good outline of major points to touch, and make a
note to themselves to the effects of : " If not know, then not talk" ..
Respectfully, too many of those commentaries (on too many productions,
including Hollywood mainstream) sound like they just opened the mic on 3
guys sitting in their living-room couch and told them to free-associate for
the next two hours, and that was it, no chance to go over.
> There is no connection at all between Kaworu and Ritsuko; whoever came
> up with that one just pulled it out of their ass. I've seen a theory
> posited that Kaworu is a clone of Keel Lorenz, there's no real support
> for that idea, but it makes more sense than the nonsense about
> Ritsuko...
Really. One basic justification for the latter is, if K is created the same
way as Rei, it was necessary to use the clone of a human as basis for the
body, and it would stand to reason Kaworu had to be created from a male
(higher-animal clones are all the same sex AFAIK)
My crackpot theory:
There exist in that universe, pre-completion, two " natural" classes of
ensouled creature: "Genesis Beings" -- Adam, Lillith, the Angels proper --
and humans. Both actually the same species in different modes of existence.
Then there are " artificial" beings, created by man:
The EVAs, have the bodies of Genesis Beings ( taken from the flesh of Adam:
Eva = Eve; as opposed to separate and equal creation of Lillith, in the
cabbalistic myth) , but can contain all or part of the soul or life-force of
a human that animates them (or its dummy-plug simulation). Two of them
actually absorbed one soul -- EVA1 contains Yui (absorbed completely, even
the body); EVA2 contains part of Kyoko. This enables them to "awaken" on
their own and go to the " berserker" mode (as EVA2 starts to in EoE)
Rei and Kaworu are made from the flesh of humans, but contain all or part of
the soul or life-force of a Genesis being (thus they both can have
detectable ATs unaided -- as happens at Terminal Dogma) . Rei being
apparently Yui's clone + some of Lillith's life-force, with my unsupported
speculation being that Kaworu is created as an attempt to have some of
Adam's life-force into a Keel-based physique; both being in great measure an
attempt at having a totally controlled entity be the "living complement" to
the EVAs. In both cases the plan gets thrown for a loop: one by Gendo's own
agenda, the other by the Angel of Free Will.
Daniel Rudy
listened as goat spoke these words of wisdom...:
There's a whole series based on a premis that you cannot make female
clones from males. It has something to do with males missing a
chromozome. Males are XX, females are XY.
Vaughn L.Porter
Actually, I just had a rather disturbing concept: Combining the final three
episodes of NGE with FLCL. Scary, huh?
Vaughn L.Porter
Only, how do you get Asuka to drape
herself
all over Shinji, and call him
'Tai-kun'?
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Sorry, but I think that males are XY and females XX
Bye ;D
[SLB++]
Gerardo Campos
Actually, Males are XY and Females are XX, each give a chromozome when
creating a child, The Female side can only give X, where the Male side
can give either X or Y, which defines the gender, (X Female, Y Male)
Could this be the reason on why the clones are females? I wonder what
could happen if a new born gets two YY chromozomes
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java man
>Actually, Males are XY and Females are XX, each give a chromozome when
>creating a child, The Female side can only give X, where the Male side
>can give either X or Y, which defines the gender, (X Female, Y Male)
>
>Could this be the reason on why the clones are females? I wonder what
>could happen if a new born gets two YY chromozomes
Weren't those criminals in Alien 3 supposed to be double Y chromosome?
I guess a life of crime is what you'd have to look forward to if you
go by that theory.
The Wielder of the Scythe
> There's a whole series based on a premis that you cannot make female
> clones from males. It has something to do with males missing a
> chromozome. Males are XX, females are XY.
The other way round. M = XY. F = XX. But there are always exceptions in nature as there are XY
females (no, not shemales you warped individual you) and XYX males. Strange but true.
Daniel Rudy
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> Daniel Rudy <dcr...@invalid.pacbell.nospam.net.0123456789> wrote in
> news:Xjm5b.9083$XM3....@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com:
>
>> Somewhere around the time of 09/02/2003 20:27, the world stopped and
>> listened as goat spoke these words of wisdom...:
>>
>>> "Daniel Rudy" <dcr...@invalid.pacbell.nospam.net.0123456789> wrote in
>>> message news:gzS4b.7963$ad2....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
>>>> You are absolutely correct. Kaworu could be considered Rei's
>>>> brother, but in fact, Rei is a clone while Kaworu is not. They even
>>>> look alike.
>>>> The person who stated that fact is just talking nonsense.
>>>
>>> Can you even make a male clone from a female donor? I'm not totally
>>> sure how it works, but I don't think you can do that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> There's a whole series based on a premis that you cannot make female
>> clones from males. It has something to do with males missing a
>> chromozome. Males are XX, females are XY.
>>
>
>
> Actually, Males are XY and Females are XX, each give a chromozome when
> creating a child, The Female side can only give X, where the Male side
> can give either X or Y, which defines the gender, (X Female, Y Male)
>
> Could this be the reason on why the clones are females? I wonder what
> could happen if a new born gets two YY chromozomes
>
There have been situations where poeple have gotten XXY...
Daniel Rudy
listened as Vaughn L.Porter spoke these words of wisdom...:
An eva with high-speed growths spurting out of its head?
Psaiyan Prince Vegeta
<dcr...@invalid.pacbell.nospam.net.0123456789> wrote:
>There have been situations where poeple have gotten XXY...
Dickgirls/herms?
Daniel Rudy
listened as Psaiyan Prince Vegeta spoke these words of wisdom...:
> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 22:35:04 GMT, Daniel Rudy
> <dcr...@invalid.pacbell.nospam.net.0123456789> wrote:
>
>>There have been situations where poeple have gotten XXY...
>
> Dickgirls/herms?
No, they are men, but they tend to be menally unstable.