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James 'n Jane
Apr 19, 2008, 6:08:27 AM4/19/08
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James 'n Jane
Dec 7, 2008, 4:04:35 AM12/7/08
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WOW! What a wonderful book! Thank you Keren! I am very excited to find
so much additional information and pictures.
However, there are a few things that need to be corrected or expanded.
The picture of James Hacking cannot be James Hacking, father of John
Sampson Hacking since he died 14 September 1839, before the very first
photo portrait in October or November 1839: Robert Cornelius, self-
portrait, Oct. or Nov. 1839, approximate quarter plate daguerreotype.
The back reads, "The first light picture ever taken." This self-
portrait is the first portrait image of a human ever produced. (http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photography). Early photos are not as
clear as this particular photo. Examining other photos in the book, I
am wondering if the picture is of the older brother, James Hacking, or
even Jane's second husband, John Fisher. There is more similarities
with Moroni or Alice Fisher than John Sampson or Jane Hacking,
particularly in the eyes. What do you think? Perhaps you might have
more details about the origin of the picture. However, it is not
possible that it is a picture of James Hacking born in 1802 and died
in 1839.
Jane Hacking King King McNeil O'Brien had four husbands, not three.
Her son was the original author of the story in the book, but he has
several errors, particularly for information that happened before his
birth. Jane first married Enoch Marvin King and they had a son David
Franklin King. Jane divorced Enoch and was married to his brother John
Morris King, who died a few months later. Jane's third husband,
Franklin E. McNeil, was sent into Utah before Johnson's Army to spy on
the Mormons and to cause trouble for them. THere is no record of him
being an actual part of the army. He spent quite a bit of time in jail
according to court records and newspaper accounts. He was shot by a
fellow outlaw in the stomach to the side of his naval on 4 August 1859
at California House in Salt Lake City, dying the next day, according
to the inquest and newspaper articles. Jane gave birth to Frank's
daughter, Josephine McNeil, who died before the 1860 Census, when Jane
was listed with her new husband, James Hanley O'Brein, who was a
soldier at Camp Floyd. He was originally from Ireland, but had faught
in the British Army as well as the United States Army. Jane and her
two children, David King and infant Mary O'Brein, traveled to
Washington D.C. with her husband when he reenlisted to fight in the
Civil War. He was injured and died a few months later after his son
and namesake was born. Jane returned with her children to Cedar Fort
and lived their for about 9 years. In the 1870 census, Thomas O'Brein,
is living with the family but was too young to be the son of James H.
O'Brein. It is uncertain what connection he had to the family. He died
in 1872 before Jane and her three living children moved to Nevada to
be close to Alice, her step-sister. Jane died 13 January 1901 in Starr
Valley, Elko, Nevada. Much more detail is given on the KEH FT on the
pages of those mentioned.
so much additional information and pictures.
However, there are a few things that need to be corrected or expanded.
The picture of James Hacking cannot be James Hacking, father of John
Sampson Hacking since he died 14 September 1839, before the very first
photo portrait in October or November 1839: Robert Cornelius, self-
portrait, Oct. or Nov. 1839, approximate quarter plate daguerreotype.
The back reads, "The first light picture ever taken." This self-
portrait is the first portrait image of a human ever produced. (http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photography). Early photos are not as
clear as this particular photo. Examining other photos in the book, I
am wondering if the picture is of the older brother, James Hacking, or
even Jane's second husband, John Fisher. There is more similarities
with Moroni or Alice Fisher than John Sampson or Jane Hacking,
particularly in the eyes. What do you think? Perhaps you might have
more details about the origin of the picture. However, it is not
possible that it is a picture of James Hacking born in 1802 and died
in 1839.
Jane Hacking King King McNeil O'Brien had four husbands, not three.
Her son was the original author of the story in the book, but he has
several errors, particularly for information that happened before his
birth. Jane first married Enoch Marvin King and they had a son David
Franklin King. Jane divorced Enoch and was married to his brother John
Morris King, who died a few months later. Jane's third husband,
Franklin E. McNeil, was sent into Utah before Johnson's Army to spy on
the Mormons and to cause trouble for them. THere is no record of him
being an actual part of the army. He spent quite a bit of time in jail
according to court records and newspaper accounts. He was shot by a
fellow outlaw in the stomach to the side of his naval on 4 August 1859
at California House in Salt Lake City, dying the next day, according
to the inquest and newspaper articles. Jane gave birth to Frank's
daughter, Josephine McNeil, who died before the 1860 Census, when Jane
was listed with her new husband, James Hanley O'Brein, who was a
soldier at Camp Floyd. He was originally from Ireland, but had faught
in the British Army as well as the United States Army. Jane and her
two children, David King and infant Mary O'Brein, traveled to
Washington D.C. with her husband when he reenlisted to fight in the
Civil War. He was injured and died a few months later after his son
and namesake was born. Jane returned with her children to Cedar Fort
and lived their for about 9 years. In the 1870 census, Thomas O'Brein,
is living with the family but was too young to be the son of James H.
O'Brein. It is uncertain what connection he had to the family. He died
in 1872 before Jane and her three living children moved to Nevada to
be close to Alice, her step-sister. Jane died 13 January 1901 in Starr
Valley, Elko, Nevada. Much more detail is given on the KEH FT on the
pages of those mentioned.
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James 'n Jane
Dec 15, 2008, 11:12:16 PM12/15/08
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Keren Morton replied to the discussion directly to the original email.
She said she had no information on where the picture originated and
the original was not found in her mother's belongings; she had these
photo pages of the parents ready to go. Perhaps others have a copy of
the original picture or know where it came from. Please let us know.
Keren explained that some may have concerns about pictures from the
book posted on the KEH FT on Ancestry, since some of you have not
received the book you ordered yet. I will wait a few months before
posting more so she will have time to get the book out to you. I did
not post any full pictures, only head shots of five people that I
edited from other pictures so we could have an individual picture for
the person's page. The quality of these pictures is limited because of
the editing process and because they are enlargements of smaller
portions of the pictures. Those in the book are much more clear and
complete. I had thought I had added information about where it came
from when I added them to the tree, but apparently it didn't show up
so I corrected that with a description like this, "Edited from a full
picture of Jane and her son James found in Lola H. Fowlke's History of
John S & Jane C Hacking's History." Hope this helps.
Keren, you and your mother's book is definately worth what was put
into it, as others who have received it so far can attest. I know that
you don't want to go through the process of printing and distributing
it in a second edition, but maybe we can make it available in other
ways that will honor your efforts in this labor of love in the coming
years. I am sure when people see what is available in the book, more
will want copies of the book. To those who did order it--smart
purchase! If you didn't receive it yet, be patient, it is coming!
Eileen Hacking Lentz
On Dec 7, 2:04 am, "James 'n Jane" <JamesnJane.Hackin...@gmail.com>
wrote:
She said she had no information on where the picture originated and
the original was not found in her mother's belongings; she had these
photo pages of the parents ready to go. Perhaps others have a copy of
the original picture or know where it came from. Please let us know.
Keren explained that some may have concerns about pictures from the
book posted on the KEH FT on Ancestry, since some of you have not
received the book you ordered yet. I will wait a few months before
posting more so she will have time to get the book out to you. I did
not post any full pictures, only head shots of five people that I
edited from other pictures so we could have an individual picture for
the person's page. The quality of these pictures is limited because of
the editing process and because they are enlargements of smaller
portions of the pictures. Those in the book are much more clear and
complete. I had thought I had added information about where it came
from when I added them to the tree, but apparently it didn't show up
so I corrected that with a description like this, "Edited from a full
picture of Jane and her son James found in Lola H. Fowlke's History of
John S & Jane C Hacking's History." Hope this helps.
Keren, you and your mother's book is definately worth what was put
into it, as others who have received it so far can attest. I know that
you don't want to go through the process of printing and distributing
it in a second edition, but maybe we can make it available in other
ways that will honor your efforts in this labor of love in the coming
years. I am sure when people see what is available in the book, more
will want copies of the book. To those who did order it--smart
purchase! If you didn't receive it yet, be patient, it is coming!
Eileen Hacking Lentz
On Dec 7, 2:04 am, "James 'n Jane" <JamesnJane.Hackin...@gmail.com>
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