pipeline meeting

[dave...@juno.com]

Sorry about the last "send". I think this one will be clearer:

Come out to the Rockaways on a beautiful spring day and join us at the Dome to join in a conversation about the Rockaway Lateral Pipeline - what it means to a part of NYC still recovering from the devastation of a climate change storm, and how we can still do something about it.

We're offering this to the residents of the Rockaways but also to anyone who wishes to be a part of this larger effort to combine our forces, to connect ourselves the way the pipelines are connecting to crisscross our country, but with our hearts and strength and passion.

MoMA PS1 VW Dome 2

Sunday, May 5, 11am-1pm

The MoMA PS1 VW Dome2 is on Beach 94th Street at the boardwalk end; take the 2/5 train to Brooklyn College (Nostrand and Flatbush), then from in front of Target take the Q35 from beginning to the end (Beach 116th Street), a nice ride. Then walk or take the Q22 down Rockaway Beach Boulevard to Beach 94th. Walk a short block toward the ocean.


Dave Lutz
Note my new email address: 1dav...@gmail.com.

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[Bill Woodroffe]

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[Karen Orlando]

Bill, National Grid's Project is being worked on. The Rockaway Lateral Project is still in the FERC process where a draft EIS has yet to be issued. The notice on the draft has been delayed as recently another project, which involves upstream compression work along the Transco line almost to the Maryland border, has been deemed connected by the FERC and will be included in the environmental review for the Rockaway Lateral.

 

It has also been recent news that Liberty's LNG Deepwater Port, vetoed in an earlier version offshore New Jersey beaches by Governor Christie, has also resurfaced (last September) and wants to tap into the existing Transco line near the eastern end of the Rockaways/Atlantic beach. That project named Port Ambrose Deepwater Port involves bouyed LNG tankers and over 20 miles of  pipe. The company that wants to build it has intervened on the Rockaway Project. When you consider that the Rockaway Lateral is mostly about delivering existing volumes of gas into Brooklyn instead of Long Island and that the company that wanted to build the floating LNG project off of the Rockaways dubbed "insanity island" said the rockaway lateral would help facilitate their project, it seems somewhat logical that this LNG project will follow. I happen to think the rockaway project will help facilitate the LNG port and the impact from that project should be included through the NEPA process as cumulative for the rockaway project, but I doubt that will happen. It's somewhat easy to see how one might lead to the other when you look at the map of both together.

 

Nutshell:  Rockaway Lateral has not yet been approved and at Floyd Bennett we still do not like it. The docket number is CP13-36, available at FERC's elibrary. http://www.ferc.gov/docs-filing/elibrary.asp

[Karen Orlando]

http://portambrose.com/project-location/

 

That is a map of the Port Ambrose project location. If you are familiar with the map of the Rockaway Project which branches off of the same existing lateral, and consider them together you have precedent being set offshore with floating LNG, 27 miles or so of pipe, significant ocean impact, a new security threat and precedent being set in Floyd Bennett Field with a metering and regulating facility as an adaptive reuse of a historic structure, billed as a park improvement.

[isa...@aol.com]

By the way, the placement of the LNG pipeline involves digging up a swath of seabed over 20 miles long and who knows how wide. It will disturb bottom habitat, fisheries, you name it. There will also be vast exclusion zones around the LNG terminals.

 

 

Since the U.S. already has more than enough natural gas to meet its needs, the terminals will be used primarily for export.

[Bill Woodroffe]

Karen,

I understand re FERC approval. But there is about one mile (in 2 sections)of 26" gas pipe being welded together (the same size as that portion to connect to the lateral pipeline) now on Flatbush ave. which is on rollers to be pushed thru the hole Michaels Pipeline Construction Co. of Wisconsin is drilling horizontally toward Rockaway. Perhaps this will be used by National Grid without the extension of the pipe into the Atlantic, but it seems that they are pretty confident that this is a done deal.

 

 

From: jamai...@googlegroups.com [mailto:jamai...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Karen Orlando
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:49 AM
To: Jamaica Bay
Subject: Re: [Jamaica Bay] pipeline meeting

 

http://portambrose.com/project-location/

[Karen Orlando]

Yes, Bill. Apparently National Grid though has always said that their project was independent of the rockaway lateral and the second pipe would serve as a secondary backfeed into the rockaways if Williams project wasn't built. I agree though that it appears that the deal was basically done long ago, at least the deal between the National Park Service and the companies, which happened well before the first public meetings on the project last year.

 

There is no reason beside monetary gain or aesthetics for placing the metering and regulating station on top of recreational users of the park. Seems like the kind of thing that number one shouldn't be built in a park and number two if it had to be built there, ought to be built away from people, visitor functions, etc. That is just common sense when you consider the facilities function.  I don't know what's going on with this park but you have groups coming under pressure to stay on as park partners or leases, like the little league, community garden etc, while at the same time you have NPS saying they are improving the park by forming a public private relationship with these companies. The lease from the buildings isn't projected to be anything compared to the park's budget either.

 

Sticking the M&R in those hangars solves a problem for the companies, primarily aesthetic and takes care of a maintenance backlog issue for NPS. It doesn't however meaningfully improve the park in any way. I question what kind of "improvement" might follow for hangars 3&4, which are also in disrepair.  And there were alternatives for the M&R before the hangars became the choice for that facility and there are still alternatives.

 

If Long Island/NYC is going to choose LNG off the south shore beaches then they will choose it, but people ought to know what they are choosing. I don't agree with the call that the port is for export, but either way folks haven't been thrilled about the things and there is not a need for import when the US has so much gas it is on the verge of becoming a net exporter.