Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [External] : Re: Full vs Platform
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The practical result is essentially what is included here: https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/jakarta.platform/jakarta.jakartaee-api. Are the optional parts included there?
As I was mentioning on the GitHub issue, I think this is a complex enough issue to warrant adding a tooltip in the UI. We could try to make it clearer there.
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Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [External] : Re: Full vs Platform
On 04.04.2023 13:37, Josh Juneau wrote:
> I do not think it should cause much confusion to have "Platform (full)".
Is "Platform (full)" there to refer to the Platform with all optional
parts OR to the Platform without optional parts?
thanks,
--lukas
>
> I appreciate your time.
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> On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 4:07 AM mengqy <men...@primeton.com
> <mailto:men...@primeton.com>> wrote:
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> I preferred terms as it is on this page Jakarta EE Specifications |
> The Eclipse Foundation
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>
> I can relate that people who prefer adding "Full" to the Platform,
> expecting the term to have some self-explaining function to
> newcomers, but I am afraid it is not possible and not necessary for
> these reasons:
>
>
> 1\ To the newcomers to java, not only does Platform need to be
> explained but also Web and Core need it too, the total solution to
> solve this may be adding "subset" to Web and Core in correspond with
> "Full" in Platform, obviously no need to do this.
>
>
> 2\ To the ones who already know Java, they already understand the
> meaning from java docs as "Platform" without "Full"(as mentioned
> here Java Platform, Enterprise Edition 8 SDK - Release Notes
> (oracle.com)
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> 3\ Officially adding Full to the term whether in front of Platform
> or after with a (full) will add trouble in writing and talking about
> it, let us be more simplified not complicated.
>
>
> In fact, furthermore, I have a suggestion new here maybe not be
> relevant to the current topic which is:
>
>
> 4\ One Jakarta EE to the world.
>
>
> To simplify and focus our promotion resource on one thing and get
> the best from it, maybe we do not need to highlight too much the Web
> and the Core on the release page of the official site, etc., we say
> to the world Jakarta EE is the cloud-native Java specification,
> people just need to know one thing is that Jakarta EE is both for
> web and microservice, but no need to know the detail in profiles in
> the first time, this will simplify the understanding of Jakarta EE
> and be good to promote it in the long run.
>
>
> Web and Core profiles can still have their development plan,
> certification plan, etc. But no need to show all the content and
> description in the official content. Vendors or people who want to
> know the detail, or to certificate, can contact us for more
> information. So we can focus all of our resources to build only one
> brand, developers can also talk about one thing and not need to
> discuss the difference between like this.
>
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> *From: * "L.walid (PowerM)"<l.w...@powerm.ma
> <mailto:l.w...@powerm.ma>>;
> *Date: * Tue, Apr 4, 2023 12:52 PM
> *To: * "Jakarta EE community
> discussions"<jakarta.ee...@eclipse.org
> <mailto:jakarta.ee...@eclipse.org>>;
> *Cc: * "Jakarta EE
> Ambassadors"<jakartaee-...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:jakartaee-...@googlegroups.com>>; "starter developer
> discussions"<start...@eclipse.org <mailto:start...@eclipse.org>>;
> *Subject: * Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Full vs Platform
> Agree with removing the profile
>
> On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 4:44 AM Vedran Smid <vedra...@gmail.com
> <mailto:vedra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Maybe just remove 'profile' from the title:
>
> *Jakarta EE
> *
> *- Platform*
> *- Web Profile*
> *- Core Profile*
>
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 at 02:37, Ondro Mihályi <mih...@omnifish.ee
> <mailto:mih...@omnifish.ee>> wrote:
>
> Maybe even a better solution is to rethink the whole
> Platform/Profile option in the Starter. Now, the option’s
> title is “Jakarta EE Profile”, but (full) Jakarta EE
> Platform is not a profile itself:
>
>
> What about changing it to:
>
> *Jakarta EE API collection:*
> *
> *
> *- Jakarta EE Platform*
> *- Web Profile*
> *- Core Profile*
>
> What do you think?
>
> Ondro
>
>
>
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 at 02:26, Ondro Mihályi
> <mih...@omnifish.ee <mailto:mih...@omnifish.ee>> wrote:
>
> Another response on Twitter, more towards using Jakarta
> EE Platform rather than Full Platform:
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fmnriem%2Fstatus%2F1642995139835756544%3Fs%3D46%26t%3DspVUwnRyj0V3iL-9mSYYCw&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gzGxeTASfYY2UGifuAdozTFJM3xlshaZc0xiLkdd%2FlY%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fmnriem%2Fstatus%2F1642995139835756544%3Fs%3D46%26t%3DspVUwnRyj0V3iL-9mSYYCw__%3B!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!OANqmCUlQVmtfxF_Ze8sPk2cc-nmCMn7LvrYzvyqb5izsbzmcwRlJ5ubHg2VPwlMlqae2zMmnNvwyW0WDAt7LQ%24&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tqeSD%2FpGfVi6jIqq9EMhcDeTTRLVv04J%2FX8ENtMNbmg%3D&reserved=0>
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> Ondro
>
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 at 14:44, Reza Rahman
> <reza_...@lycos.com <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Also sharing the conversation with the broader
> community on the mailing lists.
>
> On 4/3/2023 8:27 AM, reza_...@lycos.com
> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Ondro for sharing the conversation with the
>> broader community. Hopefully we will get a bit
>> more independent user feedback on the subtle, but
>> real problem some of us have observed for some
>> time now.
>>
>> If this remains an unresolved discussion on
>> Friday, I’ll bring it up to the platform. I
>> believe it is legitimate discussion there too.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* starter-dev
>> <starter-d...@eclipse.org>
>> <mailto:starter-d...@eclipse.org> on behalf
>> of Ondro Mihályi <mih...@omnifish.ee>
>> <mailto:mih...@omnifish.ee>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2023 6:42 AM
>> *To:* starter developer discussions
>> <start...@eclipse.org>
>> <mailto:start...@eclipse.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [starter-dev] Full vs Platform
>> Here's another response on Twitter, which suggests
>> using words like "full" or "complete", rather than
>> just Platform:
>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkjjaeger%2Fstatus%2F1642759395925688324&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gGcJQCNO%2BTIGRaj2EyEBL%2FV0iBDBWw5YI4%2FNkBWgOb0%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkjjaeger%2Fstatus%2F1642759395925688324__%3B!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!OANqmCUlQVmtfxF_Ze8sPk2cc-nmCMn7LvrYzvyqb5izsbzmcwRlJ5ubHg2VPwlMlqae2zMmnNvwyW0HWY1a8Q%24&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZPeMARzuBnWGpjbXfXSn4jhlKNZGXskqFfmclzVFWZo%3D&reserved=0>
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>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:54 AM
>> reza_...@lycos.com
>> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>
>> <reza_rahman@lycoscom
>> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I am not so sure. I don’t think things are so
>> draconian that we couldn’t add a simple
>> parenthetical term that may in practically aid
>> usability. I think the least we can do is hear
>> people out.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* starter-dev
>> <starter-d...@eclipse.org
>> <mailto:starter-d...@eclipse.org>> on
>> behalf of Ivar Grimstad via starter-dev
>> <start...@eclipse.org
>> <mailto:start...@eclipse.org>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 2, 2023 6:37 PM
>> *To:* starter developer discussions
>> <start...@eclipse.org
>> <mailto:start...@eclipse.org>>
>> *Cc:* Ivar Grimstad
>> <ivar.g...@eclipse-foundation.org
>> <mailto:ivar.g...@eclipse-foundation.org>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [starter-dev] Full vs Platform
>> To be honest, I don't see why this has to be
>> debated any longer.
>> The Platform Project is pretty clear on the
>> terminology. It's not up to this project to
>> change that.
>>
>> Ivar
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2023, 18:22
>> reza_...@lycos.com
>> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>
>> <reza_...@lycos.com
>> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Please consider weighing in on this
>> matter, especially as a committer. I think
>> by this Friday should be sufficient time
>> to resolve this matter in one direction or
>> the other.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* starter-dev
>> <starter-d...@eclipse.org
>> <mailto:starter-d...@eclipse.org>>
>> on behalf of Ondro Mihályi
>> <mih...@omnifish.ee
>> <mailto:mih...@omnifish.ee>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2023 5:15 PM
>> *To:* starter developer discussions
>> <start...@eclipse.org
>> <mailto:start...@eclipse.org>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [starter-dev] Full vs Platform
>> I'm strongly in favor of keeping the word
>> "full" in the option. Probably something
>> like Platform (full), or full Platform,
>> with "full" all in lower case, not "Full".
>>
>> My reasoning:
>>
>> Although the name of the full
>> specification is just Jakarta EE Platform,
>> there are several mentions of the word
>> "full" in the Platform spec. Including
>> "full platform" in the section 2.2
>> Profiles:
>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjakarta.ee%2Fspecifications%2Fplatform%2F10%2Fjakarta-platform-spec-10.0.html%23profiles&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lAueQZ96T7vNP1M6FMwcafODVV%2FdyWowEiWMjfo%2FomE%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fjakarta.ee%2Fspecifications%2Fplatform%2F10%2Fjakarta-platform-spec-10.0.html*profiles__%3BIw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!OANqmCUlQVmtfxF_Ze8sPk2cc-nmCMn7LvrYzvyqb5izsbzmcwRlJ5ubHg2VPwlMlqae2zMmnNvwyW022CDh-w%24&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2tEpvr0s3XtLeBzjC4n2UaLIzQgjJVN0Xz3yGtXS7ds%3D&reserved=0>, which specifically mentions "Jakarta EE platform” umbrella as something that unites all profiles or "the full platform". Here a screenshot, my email continues below:
>>
>>
>>
>> So, I would say that *Platform* is
>> generally used for the *umbrella* over all
>> profiles and full platform, while "*full
>> platform*" means the *whole Jakarta EE
>> Platform*. I believe that's how most other
>> people understand it and use the terms.
>> Also a lot of vendors use "Full" to refer
>> to the Jakarta EE Platform, and Web to
>> refer to the Web Profile. Examples:
>>
>> * Payara Platform Community provides 2
>> distributions: Full and Web Profile,
>> Payara Embedded provides a "Full
>> Platform Implementation":
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>> * Glass Embedded uses the word "all",
>> not "full", but mentions "Jakarta EE
>> Full Profile". This is probably wrong,
>> but shows how people often use the
>> word "full":
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>> * Wildfly provides a single downloadable
>> for both Platform and Web Profile, but
>> inside the installation you can choose
>> the standalone-full.xml configuration
>> to use all features from Jakarta EE
>> Platform, as explained here:
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>> /Ondro/
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 5:23 PM Emily
>> Jiang via starter-dev
>> <start...@eclipse.org
>> <mailto:start...@eclipse.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Reza,
>>
>> I had the same comment regarding the
>> `full` instead of `platform`. We had
>> to correct people saying `full` in the
>> past and now I think the correct word
>> `platform` is used across the board. I
>> will vote for `Platfiorm` not saying
>> anything such as `Full` to be
>> consistent with the specification release.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Emily
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:42 PM
>> reza_...@lycos.com
>> <mailto:reza_rahman@lycoscom>
>> <reza_...@lycos.com
>> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>> wrote:
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>> Can folks (especially committers
>> and key stakeholders) kindly weigh
>> in on this one:
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>>
>> To be honest, I think this is a
>> usability hiccup we basically have
>> with Jakarta EE. We have the
>> notion of profiles, but there
>> isn’t actually a “Full Profile”.
>> It’s just the “Platform”. In my
>> experience, this invariably
>> confuses newcomers.
>>
>> I tried to reconcile this by
>> simply saying “Full Platform” in
>> the UI. I think either “(Full)
>> Platform” or “Platform (Full)”
>> does the trick too.
>>
>> What do others think? To be clear,
>> I am not categorically opposed to
>> just saying “Platform”. I don’t
>> think it’s the best but it is
>> workable. It’s certainly what the
>> actual specification says.
>>
>> P.S.: I opposed this nomenclature
>> almost ten years ago. Bill and
>> Linda had many opinions I never
>> fully agreed with including
>> keeping EJB going much past its
>> expiration date. To me this is yet
>> another one of the Bill/Linda
>> legacies.
>>
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> I do not think it should cause much confusion to have "Platform (full)".
Is "Platform (full)" there to refer to the Platform with all optional
parts OR to the Platform without optional parts?
thanks,
--lukas
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> I appreciate your time.
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> On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 4:07 AM mengqy <men...@primeton.com
> <mailto:men...@primeton.com>> wrote:
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> I preferred terms as it is on this page Jakarta EE Specifications |
> The Eclipse Foundation
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>
> I can relate that people who prefer adding "Full" to the Platform,
> expecting the term to have some self-explaining function to
> newcomers, but I am afraid it is not possible and not necessary for
> these reasons:
>
>
> 1\ To the newcomers to java, not only does Platform need to be
> explained but also Web and Core need it too, the total solution to
> solve this may be adding "subset" to Web and Core in correspond with
> "Full" in Platform, obviously no need to do this.
>
>
> 2\ To the ones who already know Java, they already understand the
> meaning from java docs as "Platform" without "Full"(as mentioned
> here Java Platform, Enterprise Edition 8 SDK - Release Notes
> (oracle.com)
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>
> 3\ Officially adding Full to the term whether in front of Platform
> or after with a (full) will add trouble in writing and talking about
> it, let us be more simplified not complicated.
>
>
> In fact, furthermore, I have a suggestion new here maybe not be
> relevant to the current topic which is:
>
>
> 4\ One Jakarta EE to the world.
>
>
> To simplify and focus our promotion resource on one thing and get
> the best from it, maybe we do not need to highlight too much the Web
> and the Core on the release page of the official site, etc., we say
> to the world Jakarta EE is the cloud-native Java specification,
> people just need to know one thing is that Jakarta EE is both for
> web and microservice, but no need to know the detail in profiles in
> the first time, this will simplify the understanding of Jakarta EE
> and be good to promote it in the long run.
>
>
> Web and Core profiles can still have their development plan,
> certification plan, etc. But no need to show all the content and
> description in the official content. Vendors or people who want to
> know the detail, or to certificate, can contact us for more
> information. So we can focus all of our resources to build only one
> brand, developers can also talk about one thing and not need to
> discuss the difference between like this.
>
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> *From: * "L.walid (PowerM)"<l.w...@powerm.ma
> <mailto:l.w...@powerm.ma>>;
> *Date: * Tue, Apr 4, 2023 12:52 PM
> *To: * "Jakarta EE community
> discussions"<jakarta.ee...@eclipse.org
> <mailto:jakarta.ee...@eclipse.org>>;
> *Cc: * "Jakarta EE
> Ambassadors"<jakartaee-...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:jakartaee-...@googlegroups.com>>; "starter developer
> discussions"<start...@eclipse.org <mailto:start...@eclipse.org>>;
> *Subject: * Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Full vs Platform
> Agree with removing the profile
>
> On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 4:44 AM Vedran Smid <vedra...@gmail.com
> <mailto:vedra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Maybe just remove 'profile' from the title:
>
> *Jakarta EE
> *
> *- Platform*
> *- Web Profile*
> *- Core Profile*
>
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 at 02:37, Ondro Mihályi <mih...@omnifish.ee
> <mailto:mih...@omnifish.ee>> wrote:
>
> Maybe even a better solution is to rethink the whole
> Platform/Profile option in the Starter. Now, the option’s
> title is “Jakarta EE Profile”, but (full) Jakarta EE
> Platform is not a profile itself:
>
>
> What about changing it to:
>
> *Jakarta EE API collection:*
> *
> *
> *- Jakarta EE Platform*
> *- Web Profile*
> *- Core Profile*
>
> What do you think?
>
> Ondro
>
>
>
> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 at 02:26, Ondro Mihályi
> <mih...@omnifish.ee <mailto:mih...@omnifish.ee>> wrote:
>
> Another response on Twitter, more towards using Jakarta
> EE Platform rather than Full Platform:
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> Ondro
>
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 at 14:44, Reza Rahman
> <reza_...@lycos.com <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Also sharing the conversation with the broader
> community on the mailing lists.
>
> On 4/3/2023 8:27 AM, reza_...@lycos.com
> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Ondro for sharing the conversation with the
>> broader community. Hopefully we will get a bit
>> more independent user feedback on the subtle, but
>> real problem some of us have observed for some
>> time now.
>>
>> If this remains an unresolved discussion on
>> Friday, I’ll bring it up to the platform. I
>> believe it is legitimate discussion there too.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* starter-dev
>> <starter-d...@eclipse.org>
>> <mailto:starter-d...@eclipse.org> on behalf
>> of Ondro Mihályi <mih...@omnifish.ee>
>> <mailto:mih...@omnifish.ee>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2023 6:42 AM
>> *To:* starter developer discussions
>> <start...@eclipse.org>
>> <mailto:start...@eclipse.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [starter-dev] Full vs Platform
>> Here's another response on Twitter, which suggests
>> using words like "full" or "complete", rather than
>> just Platform:
>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkjjaeger%2Fstatus%2F1642759395925688324&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gGcJQCNO%2BTIGRaj2EyEBL%2FV0iBDBWw5YI4%2FNkBWgOb0%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fkjjaeger%2Fstatus%2F1642759395925688324__%3B!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!OANqmCUlQVmtfxF_Ze8sPk2cc-nmCMn7LvrYzvyqb5izsbzmcwRlJ5ubHg2VPwlMlqae2zMmnNvwyW0HWY1a8Q%24&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZPeMARzuBnWGpjbXfXSn4jhlKNZGXskqFfmclzVFWZo%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:54 AM
>> reza_...@lycos.com
>> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>
>> <reza_rahman@lycoscom
>> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I am not so sure. I don’t think things are so
>> draconian that we couldn’t add a simple
>> parenthetical term that may in practically aid
>> usability. I think the least we can do is hear
>> people out.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* starter-dev
>> <starter-d...@eclipse.org
>> <mailto:starter-d...@eclipse.org>> on
>> behalf of Ivar Grimstad via starter-dev
>> <start...@eclipse.org
>> <mailto:start...@eclipse.org>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 2, 2023 6:37 PM
>> *To:* starter developer discussions
>> <start...@eclipse.org
>> <mailto:start...@eclipse.org>>
>> *Cc:* Ivar Grimstad
>> <ivar.g...@eclipse-foundation.org
>> <mailto:ivar.g...@eclipse-foundation.org>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [starter-dev] Full vs Platform
>> To be honest, I don't see why this has to be
>> debated any longer.
>> The Platform Project is pretty clear on the
>> terminology. It's not up to this project to
>> change that.
>>
>> Ivar
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2023, 18:22
>> reza_...@lycos.com
>> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>
>> <reza_...@lycos.com
>> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Please consider weighing in on this
>> matter, especially as a committer. I think
>> by this Friday should be sufficient time
>> to resolve this matter in one direction or
>> the other.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* starter-dev
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>> on behalf of Ondro Mihályi
>> <mih...@omnifish.ee
>> <mailto:mih...@omnifish.ee>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2023 5:15 PM
>> *To:* starter developer discussions
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>> *Subject:* Re: [starter-dev] Full vs Platform
>> I'm strongly in favor of keeping the word
>> "full" in the option. Probably something
>> like Platform (full), or full Platform,
>> with "full" all in lower case, not "Full".
>>
>> My reasoning:
>>
>> Although the name of the full
>> specification is just Jakarta EE Platform,
>> there are several mentions of the word
>> "full" in the Platform spec. Including
>> "full platform" in the section 2.2
>> Profiles:
>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjakarta.ee%2Fspecifications%2Fplatform%2F10%2Fjakarta-platform-spec-10.0.html%23profiles&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lAueQZ96T7vNP1M6FMwcafODVV%2FdyWowEiWMjfo%2FomE%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fjakarta.ee%2Fspecifications%2Fplatform%2F10%2Fjakarta-platform-spec-10.0.html*profiles__%3BIw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!OANqmCUlQVmtfxF_Ze8sPk2cc-nmCMn7LvrYzvyqb5izsbzmcwRlJ5ubHg2VPwlMlqae2zMmnNvwyW022CDh-w%24&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2tEpvr0s3XtLeBzjC4n2UaLIzQgjJVN0Xz3yGtXS7ds%3D&reserved=0>, which specifically mentions "Jakarta EE platform” umbrella as something that unites all profiles or "the full platform". Here a screenshot, my email continues below:
>>
>>
>>
>> So, I would say that *Platform* is
>> generally used for the *umbrella* over all
>> profiles and full platform, while "*full
>> platform*" means the *whole Jakarta EE
>> Platform*. I believe that's how most other
>> people understand it and use the terms.
>> Also a lot of vendors use "Full" to refer
>> to the Jakarta EE Platform, and Web to
>> refer to the Web Profile. Examples:
>>
>> * Payara Platform Community provides 2
>> distributions: Full and Web Profile,
>> Payara Embedded provides a "Full
>> Platform Implementation":
>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.payara.fish%2Fdownloads%2Fpayara-platform-community-edition%2F&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ha6crriP%2BiMTJfJmATUrlMcUfM1Me42HnAhLzuM68w0%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fwww.payara.fish%2Fdownloads%2Fpayara-platform-community-edition%2F__%3B!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!OANqmCUlQVmtfxF_Ze8sPk2cc-nmCMn7LvrYzvyqb5izsbzmcwRlJ5ubHg2VPwlMlqae2zMmnNvwyW18oy6cjA%24&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VzZeQhHuMMP8x9B8TEKxwWFln4TUfezt5kiq%2FiIE%2ByY%3D&reserved=0>
>> * Glass Embedded uses the word "all",
>> not "full", but mentions "Jakarta EE
>> Full Profile". This is probably wrong,
>> but shows how people often use the
>> word "full":
>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fglassfish.org%2Fdownload&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085795988%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dbHeAQuBtnBQBJnoqEfi3CZ6zrtFNmI5ELHK8ozEL%2BA%3D&reserved=0
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>> * Wildfly provides a single downloadable
>> for both Platform and Web Profile, but
>> inside the installation you can choose
>> the standalone-full.xml configuration
>> to use all features from Jakarta EE
>> Platform, as explained here:
>> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstackoverflow.com%2Fquestions%2F32129651%2Fhow-to-know-if-wildfly-is-running-with-web-profile-or-full-profile&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085952287%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=SjfmM3hXVSdoM3D5Oo8TSjvTFu0j3nUsP2W8TJ81Ox4%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fstackoverflow.com%2Fquestions%2F32129651%2Fhow-to-know-if-wildfly-is-running-with-web-profile-or-full-profile__%3B!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!OANqmCUlQVmtfxF_Ze8sPk2cc-nmCMn7LvrYzvyqb5izsbzmcwRlJ5ubHg2VPwlMlqae2zMmnNvwyW1U-gB08A%24&data=05%7C01%7Creza.rahman%40microsoft.com%7C0908ef922c6a4ffd772908db3516851e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638162143085952287%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=p7e7eX%2BiaYUonyb25ZcfvkKesPzLFeyd9k%2FDVUXKacs%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>> /Ondro/
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 5:23 PM Emily
>> Jiang via starter-dev
>> <start...@eclipse.org
>> <mailto:start...@eclipse.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Reza,
>>
>> I had the same comment regarding the
>> `full` instead of `platform`. We had
>> to correct people saying `full` in the
>> past and now I think the correct word
>> `platform` is used across the board. I
>> will vote for `Platfiorm` not saying
>> anything such as `Full` to be
>> consistent with the specification release.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Emily
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 2:42 PM
>> reza_...@lycos.com
>> <mailto:reza_rahman@lycoscom>
>> <reza_...@lycos.com
>> <mailto:reza_...@lycos.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Can folks (especially committers
>> and key stakeholders) kindly weigh
>> in on this one:
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>>
>> To be honest, I think this is a
>> usability hiccup we basically have
>> with Jakarta EE. We have the
>> notion of profiles, but there
>> isn’t actually a “Full Profile”.
>> It’s just the “Platform”. In my
>> experience, this invariably
>> confuses newcomers.
>>
>> I tried to reconcile this by
>> simply saying “Full Platform” in
>> the UI. I think either “(Full)
>> Platform” or “Platform (Full)”
>> does the trick too.
>>
>> What do others think? To be clear,
>> I am not categorically opposed to
>> just saying “Platform”. I don’t
>> think it’s the best but it is
>> workable. It’s certainly what the
>> actual specification says.
>>
>> P.S.: I opposed this nomenclature
>> almost ten years ago. Bill and
>> Linda had many opinions I never
>> fully agreed with including
>> keeping EJB going much past its
>> expiration date. To me this is yet
>> another one of the Bill/Linda
>> legacies.
>>
>>
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