Riser/Spacers for main traveler

[Ragtime!]

Water and dirt collects forward of the traveler so I'm thinking of
mounting the traveler up on spacers when I reinstall it. I thought I
saw a photo on our site of a boat with this done but I can't find it
now.

Has anyone installed the traveler this way? What did you use for the
spacer material? Any other advice?

[edward bowen]

Hi On privateer we have installed, nylon spacers that we had turned up at a
local machine shop. We have found that they work well and allow all water
and debris to pass under the track. We have been running it this way for
over a year and a half. The bolt holes in the deck were over sized and
sealed with epoxy to protect the balsa core that we fully replaced.
We are very happy with the finished result.

Ed Bowen
Privateer J92 Hull #2

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[Ragtime!]

Hi Ed - a couple of questions:

Did you still use the Harken midrange high-beam track, with the slide-
able bolts?

Dimensions of the spacers?

Are you sure they're nylon? (Seems they would flex a bit which
wouldn't be good.)

Thanks,
Bob J.

[Ragtime!]

Since I posted about the traveler (it is one "L" isn't it?), I've been
thinking that in seven years of sailing my 92 I've never tripped over
the traveler, even with jumping around the boat all the time (racing
singlehanded mostly). So I'm going to nix the riser idea. A few more
minutes of cockpit clean-up will be worth it I think.


But another thing if anyone is reading or cares:

For 2-3 years I've had this box of four new Harken self-tailers in my
garage. With periodic maintenance the standard Harkens have worked
fine so I never changed them out. I already have the cam cleats to
make the sheets fast after trimming and I like being able to spin the
sheets off the top of the primaries on tacks and gybes. I sail J/
105's now and then and the self-tailing primaries seem awkward - I
assume it's because I'm not used to them.

I also didn't want to disturb the bedding but now that the deck
hardware (including the winches) has been removed, I'm thinking about
those self-tailers again.

I'm racing with a #1 more and I really notice not having a grinder -
the ST's would help with that. But I really don't want anything that
would slow down running the sheets, especially when gybing the
spinnaker.

Has anyone else gone through the conversion? Any comments/
suggestions?

Bob J.

[Andrew Oeftering]

I've got self tailers and I've sailed on a 92 that does not. I'd just as
soon go without the tailers. To the uninitiated, the self tailers can be
awkward. I'm continuously reminding the crew that they MUST make sure the
sheet is tailed completely around the self-tailer, and pressed in at the
exit, or it will blow all by itself at the most inopportune time. And if
you prefer minimum diameter sheets/halyards, their holding capability is
compromised. Also, in at least a couple situations the sheet got bound into
the tailer exit mechanism when it became loose. On the plus side, if you've
taken all the necessary precautions to insure the sheet is run through the
tailer properly, then you can grind with both hands without the assistance
of another crew member. Concerning gybing, I'm not using the cabin top
tailers at all when trimming the spin sheets. We simply wrap the sheet
around the winch and assign a grinder in the heavy breeze. The cabin top
tailers do, however, aid the pit when hoisting jib/spin shorthanded

Andy Oeftering
Computer Troubleshooters/Red Bank, NJ
732-212-1001

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From: Ragtime! [mailto:bobsa...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:35 PM
To: J/92 Owners

[Imagine... J/92 #45]

Our J/92, J/80, J/27 & J/24 all have had self tailers and I can't
imagine sailing without them. I don't ever recall someone saying that
having them cost us a race. It takes a fraction of a second to spin
it off the winch as opposed to pulling straight up which can sometimes
cause a kink in the sheet which can then get caught in the block.
That's not fast.

About the traveller risers: Ours are a white plastic 1/4 inch high X
2.5 inches long and the width of the traveller. They do not cause
people to trip on the traveller and they let any water forward of the
traveller drain nicely out the back.

Rod Carr

[Ragtime!]

Thanks guys.

Andy, it's usually just me so once I get into a routine with the ST's
I should be fine. I use 3/8" sheets (either Warpspeed or EnduraBraid)
so slipping shouldn't be a problem. With the spin sheets, I use one
wrap on the primaries because I can pull the sheet around faster than
I could with the cabin-top winches. I'm not sending a trimmer forward
by the shrouds, the way you normally would with crew. Also, there are
never "butt cleats" with my spin sheets, although I stand on them
sometimes ("foot cleats"). It's actually pretty amazing how little
drama there is gybing singlehanded, even in big breeze.

Rod, those spacers are much thinner than I imagined and would not add
appreciably to the height of the traveler off the deck. I have some
1/4" StarBoard - do you think that would work or would you use
something harder (like G-10)?

Bob J.

[andy...@gmail.com]

In a separate post, I'd love to hear how you would break down a single handed gybe. In fact we're hoping to put together a single/double handed event here near NYC next year
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[Imagine... J/92 #45]

Bob:

I have some material that I believe to be StarBoard here at my house.
It is hard enough that I can't dig my fingernail into it. That
probably translates into more pounds per square inch than they undergo
when used as a spacer. I would think that would be fine but I'm NOT
an engineer. The only compression the spacers realize is from the
tightening of the bolts. The other forces are upwards caused by
tightening the mainsheet and I would think that would help balance
things out somewhat. Our spacers are not StarBoard but they are just
as hard if not harder. I got a good look at them a few years ago when
we took everything apart and re-cored our cockpit floor. ;-) There
are probably still pix of that elsewhere on this site.

Rod

[pinc]

A topic behind.

I just had my traveler off the boat to epoxy seal the thru holes and
was thinking of machining some 3/4" - 1" passages on the bottom of the
traveler for water to flow past. I think that could easily be done at
1/4" depth and no compromise the traveler.

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[Privateer #2]

As Ed said earlier in this section our spacers are nylon about 8-10mm
high thats about 3/8ths to the Americans out there and they are set
under each bolt so we have enough rigidity to stop any flexing. we use
the Harken low profile track and with such a low rise we have had no
problems with tripping over it. But the drainage is much better. The
other reason we put it in was to try to prevent water sitting on the
deck to keep our precious balsa core dry, 1 replacement deck is enough
me thinks.


Matt
Privateer